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Carras
Argentina860 Posts
On June 01 2011 04:09 Greentellon wrote: + Show Spoiler [Book 4 spoilers] + Just kidding, I just wanted to put this tag on the show to confuse people  Just game to say, I love that people love the series. Here to hope it'll be soon in my country.NO BOOK SPOILERS, WHAT PART DONT YOU GET ? | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On June 01 2011 01:34 Telemako wrote: Baratheons sigil is a stag. For me, Tywin was skinning the Baratheons. See now, that is pretty epic. | ||
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MozzarellaL
United States822 Posts
On June 01 2011 02:59 Maginor wrote: That makes sense from the writers point of view, but not from Tywin's. It's not like he believes in vodoo. However it is not too far of a stretch to say that skinning the stag was part of the hobby of hunting it. Tywin is doing it because he enjoys skinning animals? Of course he doesn't believe in voodoo, the scene is just symbolic to the viewers. It doesn't have to make absolute sense within the confines of reality, because it is a story. On June 01 2011 03:48 zimms wrote: Yet we don't know if the messenger made it out of King's Landing alive. Looks like all the Stark guards were being butchered. + Show Spoiler + Mod edit: No User was warned for this post | ||
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scorch-
United States816 Posts
How hard is it to see that? Honestly. I've been treated too well by reading the rest of the thread after mods cleaned up the garbage and consequently I forgot that people keep posting actual spoilers from the books in spoiler tags. I'm still curious about Baelysh's motives in fucking over Ned. He seems too calculating to do it out of spite. Maybe he wants to ingratiate himself with the Lannisters by giving them the Stark lord? Every episode has a ridiculous cliffhanger/reveal at the end, I love it. | ||
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Carras
Argentina860 Posts
On June 01 2011 04:47 scorch- wrote: * NO BOOK DISCUSSION, SPOILERS OR OTHERWISE * How hard is it to see that? Honestly. I've been treated too well by reading the rest of the thread after mods cleaned up the garbage and consequently I forgot that people keep posting actual spoilers from the books in spoiler tags. I'm still curious about Baelysh's motives in fucking over Ned. He seems too calculating to do it out of spite. Maybe he wants to ingratiate himself with the Lannisters by giving them the Stark lord? Every episode has a ridiculous cliffhanger/reveal at the end, I love it. well,he talked with ned about putting remly as king , and sharing the power themselves..or wanting sth in particular he didnt say.. ned said NO, so he went to the lannisters to get what he wanted.. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22675 Posts
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MozzarellaL
United States822 Posts
On June 01 2011 04:59 Gorsameth wrote: Not only that but Ned got told repeatedly to act with haste. Again he declines. Ofc Littlefinger gos to the Lannisters. he knows Ned will not act in time and so takes measures to save his own hide. I think it was a combination of factors: 1. Littlefinger offered an alliance with Ned, Ned rejected his plan and sort of insulted Littlefinger's character. This made him despise Ned and turned him away. 2. Littlefinger still harbors feelings for Catelyn, and subconsciously wants to get Ned out of the way so as to increase the probability that he might be able to reunite with her 3. Littlefinger doesn't see a future for himself if Ned wins, whereas the Lannisters will be grateful to him if he helps out their side. | ||
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Grumbaki
Belgium141 Posts
On June 01 2011 03:23 Carras wrote: didnt read the book.. i think barristan could work sth.. but 1 man is not enough.. but remember Ned sent a Letter to Stannis Baratheon , the 1st in the line of succesion , he migth have sth to say =) and is probably coming to kings landing with a few of his guys.. also khal drogo migth crash the party..we dont know if the 2 stories are 100% at the same time.. As King's guard commander they could go praetorian on the lannisters ass if he was made sure of the whole assasination of the previous hand / incest non legit heir / over wine-ing the king. EDIT: just to be explicit : the praetorian guard often killed the caesar if deemed unfit or if a better candidate was making a better offer. | ||
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Acid~
Thailand442 Posts
On June 01 2011 05:08 MozzarellaL wrote: I think it was a combination of factors: 1. Littlefinger offered an alliance with Ned, Ned rejected his plan and sort of insulted Littlefinger's character. This made him despise Ned and turned him away. 2. Littlefinger still harbors feelings for Catelyn, and subconsciously wants to get Ned out of the way so as to increase the probability that he might be able to reunite with her 3. Littlefinger doesn't see a future for himself if Ned wins, whereas the Lannisters will be grateful to him if he helps out their side. And that's why the brothel scene is important. It explains everything you need to know about Petyr. 1. He is a bitter, resentful man. He resents Brandon Stark for beating him, Catelyn for shunning him and Ned for marrying Catelyn. 2. He knows he is weak and can only get what he wants through ruse and trickery. 3. His ambition is limitless ("so what is it that you want ? - everything") Just in case you missed something, or forgot, rewatch the older episodes and pay attention to every part of the storyline that mentions the dagger that was supposed to kill Bran. If you understand the dagger plotline, then you understand Littlefinger. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On June 01 2011 01:34 Telemako wrote: Baratheons sigil is a stag. For me, Tywin was skinning the Baratheons. There was also the symbolic event early in the story when they stumble on the dead stag and direwolf (the antler still stuck in the direwolf's throat), possibly forshadowing about Robert leading to the downfall of Lord Stark. | ||
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PoopLord
537 Posts
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MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
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scorch-
United States816 Posts
On June 01 2011 06:30 Acid~ wrote: And that's why the brothel scene is important. It explains everything you need to know about Petyr. 1. He is a bitter, resentful man. He resents Brandon Stark for beating him, Catelyn for shunning him and Ned for marrying Catelyn. 2. He knows he is weak and can only get what he wants through ruse and trickery. 3. His ambition is limitless ("so what is it that you want ? - everything") Just in case you missed something, or forgot, rewatch the older episodes and pay attention to every part of the storyline that mentions the dagger that was supposed to kill Bran. If you understand the dagger plotline, then you understand Littlefinger. These are all important aspects of Baelysh's character, but the most important is that every single thing he does or says has a purpose. He could have told Ned to leave the city and never return if he wanted to live, but he didn't. He could have had him killed by the cityguard in the throne room (or elsewhere) if he wanted, but he didn't. He could have done a million things that he didn't do. He tells Ned the gold cloaks are at his command, gets him to come to the throne room and demand the removal of the Lannisters, and then kills all his men and takes him hostage. Clearly this is something Baelysh is capable of doing, but why did he choose this route? What is the plan that he's put in motion? If you've read the books, please don't reply to this, not even if you think you're really clever and won't spoil anything. I enjoy speculation, not answers :/ | ||
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Zedders
Canada450 Posts
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PoopLord
537 Posts
On June 01 2011 08:05 Zedders wrote: is nobody on jofferey's side? he's the true king11111! Not by blood | ||
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Cylon
United States124 Posts
and he's a dick. | ||
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blowfish
Austria238 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
On June 01 2011 08:05 Zedders wrote: is nobody on jofferey's side? he's the true king11111! So was Viserys Targaryen. i wonder how the two of them would have gotten along.  | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On June 01 2011 08:05 Zedders wrote: is nobody on jofferey's side? he's the true king11111! No he wasn't... | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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At first I did not understand why the richest man in the realm had to skin the deer by himself... but when I check this thread I got it 
