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On June 16 2014 17:06 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 16:53 KingAlphard wrote:
Many things will change in King's landing with Tywin's death.
First of all people will ask themselves who killed him. They'll also know Tyrion had escaped and they'll find Shae dead, so it's pretty obvious that they'll think it was Tyrion. Then the next question is "how did Tyrion escape?". Though here I don't think they could suspect of Jaime since he didn't show in public how much he cared about him.
Since Tywin died, Tommen will probably be assisted by Cercei and Jaime then. They will both be pleasantly surprised by their father's death, I think. It would be curious to see how they would reign, they don't strike me as rather ambitious people, in fact they don't seem that suited to reigning. Cercei showed multiple times her contempt for the life at court but she is also very bound to her son.
Maybe I missed it, is there a direction towards Tyrion is directed? It seems like Tyrion would just get bored outside King's landing or another 'important' city, as he stated himself.
I wonder what will happened with Kings landings finances and future prosperity now when Tywin is dead. For all purposes he was the one who actually knew how to rule a kingdom. He also was the one who held all the finances and relationships with the great iron bank. All the previous people who seemed to be competent enough to run Kings landing from a financial standpoint, namely little finger and Tyrion, won't come back to Kings landing which means Cercil will rule the kingdom now. Everything Cercil has done to date has more or less blown up in her face, I can't see this going very well as long as Cercil is in control. She will sink Kings Landing faster then the wildfire sank Stannis army of boats.
I think this is where Margery kicks in. Cersei was talking to Tywin all like, you and Margery gonna rip Tommen in half fighting for him etc.
But, they havent been wed yet so not sure exactly what might happen. But this seems most likely, or most obvious. Oh wells, 1 more year of waiting.
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On June 16 2014 17:48 SuperFanBoy wrote:
How did Stannis and his army go north of the wall? isn't the only entrance in and out of the north through castle black?
I think they sailed around Eastwatch-by-the-Sea, which is the eastern most castle (next to the sea lol) and unloaded north of the Wall that way.
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On June 16 2014 17:57 Titusmaster6 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 17:48 SuperFanBoy wrote:
How did Stannis and his army go north of the wall? isn't the only entrance in and out of the north through castle black? I think they sailed around Eastwatch-by-the-Sea, which is the eastern most castle (next to the sea lol) and unloaded north of the Wall that way.
He took his black pirate friend and his ships to sail North.
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On June 16 2014 17:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 17:27 LeeDawg wrote:
I learned on todays episode of GoT that hodor when controlled by Bran is the strongest fighter around.
motherfucker took on a ton of what I assume are white walkers with his bare hands, while the mountain is dying from a fight with oberyn, the hound died after a close fight with Brienne, who beat Ser Loras a few seasons back. Jamie is crippled still. Only guy that comes to mind who could give Hodor a run for his money would be Jon Snow. Finally someone gets it. Hodor > all Only the fookin legend compares
Ser Barristan?
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On June 16 2014 18:04 Pulimuli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 17:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On June 16 2014 17:27 LeeDawg wrote:
I learned on todays episode of GoT that hodor when controlled by Bran is the strongest fighter around.
motherfucker took on a ton of what I assume are white walkers with his bare hands, while the mountain is dying from a fight with oberyn, the hound died after a close fight with Brienne, who beat Ser Loras a few seasons back. Jamie is crippled still. Only guy that comes to mind who could give Hodor a run for his money would be Jon Snow. Finally someone gets it. Hodor > all Only the fookin legend compares Ser Barristan?
Hes talking about the dual-wield knife guy who drank wine out of the skull of Jeor-fooking-Mormont.
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On June 16 2014 18:08 Emnjay808 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 18:04 Pulimuli wrote:On June 16 2014 17:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On June 16 2014 17:27 LeeDawg wrote:
I learned on todays episode of GoT that hodor when controlled by Bran is the strongest fighter around.
motherfucker took on a ton of what I assume are white walkers with his bare hands, while the mountain is dying from a fight with oberyn, the hound died after a close fight with Brienne, who beat Ser Loras a few seasons back. Jamie is crippled still. Only guy that comes to mind who could give Hodor a run for his money would be Jon Snow. Finally someone gets it. Hodor > all Only the fookin legend compares Ser Barristan? Hes talking about the dual-wield knife guy who drank wine out of the skull of Jeor-fooking-Mormont.
I believe he knows, and he is trying to suggest that Ser Barristan is on the same level as the fookin legend.
Hilarious suggestion, I know.
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On June 16 2014 18:08 Emnjay808 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 18:04 Pulimuli wrote:On June 16 2014 17:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On June 16 2014 17:27 LeeDawg wrote:
I learned on todays episode of GoT that hodor when controlled by Bran is the strongest fighter around.
motherfucker took on a ton of what I assume are white walkers with his bare hands, while the mountain is dying from a fight with oberyn, the hound died after a close fight with Brienne, who beat Ser Loras a few seasons back. Jamie is crippled still. Only guy that comes to mind who could give Hodor a run for his money would be Jon Snow. Finally someone gets it. Hodor > all Only the fookin legend compares Ser Barristan? Hes talking about the dual-wield knife guy who drank wine out of the skull of Jeor-fooking-Mormont.
Yeah but im asking whether Barrisan Selmy could beat him since he's like the most badass sword fighter ever
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I think Tommen's gonna have a pretty rough time from now on.
With Tywin dead, and everyone else knowing it, there's going to be an all out assault from all directions on throne next season surely.
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hm. Was the crossbow the very same that Geoffrey used to kill Ros with? How ironic.
Also weird how:+ Show Spoiler +
- a random army appears north of the wall in what feels like minutes (yeah, we knew of a possible army and ships, but still)
- the old wise guy knew that the starks were coming, yet he send out no warning and waited to send bomberman junior until one of them was dead
- "my brother just friggin died from a skeleton who stabbed him" - "he knew from the start that this would happen" - "oh then its okay of course"
- Shae fought a lot to not be seen as a whore, but then turned 180° and acted like the biggest whore there is
- the female knight who is not a real knight wants to protect arya by kidnapping her from the guy who protected arya for all this time (wtf)
- Cersei is disgusted by Jamie and doesn't want anything to do with him anymore. Then she tells her dad about it to piss him off and suddenly has the hots for him again???
- Sansa is pretty clueless for years. She doesn't even seem to mind that much to be married to the imp. Then after arriving at her aunt's, she suddenly becomes a player (kissing the personal family perv, lying for him, seducing him?). Yeah, I don't really buy the new persona that suddenly lost all innocence and naivity
- Didn't the stark brother who got killed have fire powers?
- "hi i'm jon snow" - "i believe you, no need for proof. i think i'm the true king but please tell me what to do" lol
also I'm pretty curious about the coin. Was it from the faceless brotherhood? Was it some kind of royal insignia? It appeared to have a lot of power.
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On June 16 2014 18:30 Fi0na wrote:
hm. Was the crossbow the very same that Geoffrey used to kill Ros with? How ironic.
Also weird how:[spoiler]
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- Cersei is disgusted by Jamie and doesn't want anything to do with him anymore. Then she tells her dad about it to piss him off and suddenly has the hots for him again???
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This you will still not understand, but totally expect and see as an obvious thing once you had more experince with women in realife 
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On June 16 2014 18:30 Fi0na wrote:hm. Was the crossbow the very same that Geoffrey used to kill Ros with? How ironic. Also weird how: + Show Spoiler +
- a random army appears north of the wall in what feels like minutes (yeah, we knew of a possible army and ships, but still)
- the old wise guy knew that the starks were coming, yet he send out no warning and waited to send bomberman junior until one of them was dead
- "my brother just friggin died from a skeleton who stabbed him" - "he knew from the start that this would happen" - "oh then its okay of course"
- Shae fought a lot to not be seen as a whore, but then turned 180° and acted like the biggest whore there is
- the female knight who is not a real knight wants to protect arya by kidnapping her from the guy who protected arya for all this time (wtf)
- Cersei is disgusted by Jamie and doesn't want anything to do with him anymore. Then she tells her dad about it to piss him off and suddenly has the hots for him again???
- Sansa is pretty clueless for years. She doesn't even seem to mind that much to be married to the imp. Then after arriving at her aunt's, she suddenly becomes a player (kissing the personal family perv, lying for him, seducing him?). Yeah, I don't really buy the new persona that suddenly lost all innocence and naivity
- Didn't the stark brother who got killed have fire powers?
- "hi i'm jon snow" - "i believe you, no need for proof. i think i'm the true king but please tell me what to do" lol
also I'm pretty curious about the coin. Was it from the faceless brotherhood? Was it some kind of royal insignia? It appeared to have a lot of power.
Faceless guy gave the coin to Arya when he left i think, and told her to say his name.
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On June 16 2014 18:35 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 18:30 Fi0na wrote:hm. Was the crossbow the very same that Geoffrey used to kill Ros with? How ironic. Also weird how: + Show Spoiler +
- a random army appears north of the wall in what feels like minutes (yeah, we knew of a possible army and ships, but still)
- the old wise guy knew that the starks were coming, yet he send out no warning and waited to send bomberman junior until one of them was dead
- "my brother just friggin died from a skeleton who stabbed him" - "he knew from the start that this would happen" - "oh then its okay of course"
- Shae fought a lot to not be seen as a whore, but then turned 180° and acted like the biggest whore there is
- the female knight who is not a real knight wants to protect arya by kidnapping her from the guy who protected arya for all this time (wtf)
- Cersei is disgusted by Jamie and doesn't want anything to do with him anymore. Then she tells her dad about it to piss him off and suddenly has the hots for him again???
- Sansa is pretty clueless for years. She doesn't even seem to mind that much to be married to the imp. Then after arriving at her aunt's, she suddenly becomes a player (kissing the personal family perv, lying for him, seducing him?). Yeah, I don't really buy the new persona that suddenly lost all innocence and naivity
- Didn't the stark brother who got killed have fire powers?
- "hi i'm jon snow" - "i believe you, no need for proof. i think i'm the true king but please tell me what to do" lol
also I'm pretty curious about the coin. Was it from the faceless brotherhood? Was it some kind of royal insignia? It appeared to have a lot of power. Faceless guy gave the coin to Arya when he left i think, and told her to say his name.
Not his name, valar morghulis, which I believe means "all men must die".
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I can't see stannis leaving the wall before white walker defense. Unless he doesn't believe that as a threat and just leaves to try for the throne. Either way stannis and the boltons are gonna duke it out if they live long enough. Brienne and podrick are going to meet sansa/littlefinger so that should be a uniting of that story line.
broskis. How pissed is cersei going to be about tyrion killing father? Will she blame jamie? Ahh i don't wanna hear her bithc for another season about tyrion
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On June 16 2014 18:49 Cynry wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 18:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 16 2014 18:30 Fi0na wrote:hm. Was the crossbow the very same that Geoffrey used to kill Ros with? How ironic. Also weird how: + Show Spoiler +
- a random army appears north of the wall in what feels like minutes (yeah, we knew of a possible army and ships, but still)
- the old wise guy knew that the starks were coming, yet he send out no warning and waited to send bomberman junior until one of them was dead
- "my brother just friggin died from a skeleton who stabbed him" - "he knew from the start that this would happen" - "oh then its okay of course"
- Shae fought a lot to not be seen as a whore, but then turned 180° and acted like the biggest whore there is
- the female knight who is not a real knight wants to protect arya by kidnapping her from the guy who protected arya for all this time (wtf)
- Cersei is disgusted by Jamie and doesn't want anything to do with him anymore. Then she tells her dad about it to piss him off and suddenly has the hots for him again???
- Sansa is pretty clueless for years. She doesn't even seem to mind that much to be married to the imp. Then after arriving at her aunt's, she suddenly becomes a player (kissing the personal family perv, lying for him, seducing him?). Yeah, I don't really buy the new persona that suddenly lost all innocence and naivity
- Didn't the stark brother who got killed have fire powers?
- "hi i'm jon snow" - "i believe you, no need for proof. i think i'm the true king but please tell me what to do" lol
also I'm pretty curious about the coin. Was it from the faceless brotherhood? Was it some kind of royal insignia? It appeared to have a lot of power. Faceless guy gave the coin to Arya when he left i think, and told her to say his name. Not his name, valar morghulis, which I believe means "all men must die".
I stand corrected. I've only seen the series once through so the details are kinda sketchy for me 
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On June 16 2014 18:50 albis wrote:
I can't see stannis leaving the wall before white walker defense. Unless he doesn't believe that as a threat and just leaves to try for the throne. Either way stannis and the boltons are gonna duke it out if they live long enough. Brienne and podrick are going to meet sansa/littlefinger so that should be a uniting of that story line.
broskis. How pissed is cersei going to be about tyrion killing father? Will she blame jamie? Ahh i don't wanna hear her bithc for another season about tyrion
I seriously think she's going to have to spend the next season worrying about herself. The Lannisters are suddenly looking very vulnerable.
Tywin had respect, contacts and leadership.
Jamie is respected as a fighter, but apart from that, the qualities needed to run a kingdom and not get killed doing it are missing.
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When Podrick mentioned "that's Sandor Clegane, The Hound" Bryanne immediately knew that the girl was Arya.
How did she know that?
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On June 16 2014 19:03 Zandar wrote:
When Podrick mentioned "that's Sandor Clegane, The Hound" Bryanne immediately knew that the girl was Arya.
How did she know that?
The pie dude told her what happened with Arya and the Hound.
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So as this isnt sc2, how did Stannis manage to convert his money into soldiers?
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I actually really liked this episode because finally all the stories really got moved along (seemed like the last several episodes each episode was entirely focused on one story arch and didnt do much to progress it). I did guess earlier in this thread that Arya would go to Bravoos and I am glad because I think that will be very interesting and cool if she joins with the assassins or learns more 'water dancing' or both. Hound presumably dying sucks cause he was probably my favorite character. I don't see why people are surprised that Stannis arrived at the wall (well it was kind of unexpected but after you think about it it was explicitly forshadowed by the red lady and stannis looking into the flames and realizing that the real threat is in the north - this was at the end of season 3 I think, not sure), I think it was pretty epic scene with all the cavalry riding in, though the wildlings sure didnt put up much of a fight especially if they had 100k men and giants with them, they just died to a bunch of men on horseback :/. Someone else already mentioned the scene where Danny chains up the dragons as being important and I also wanted to mention that I think the scene was quite powerful. To me it seemed like she finally 'got it' that things arent so black and white (namely her idea of freedom). With the former slave who was a teacher situation and then immediately after we find out that one of her dragons killed a 3yo girl. I think this puts her ideas of freedom being most important into question because there was a lot of talk about how dragons are essentially wild and free creatures that they can not be tamed, but when she allows them to be free they do horrible things that are unjust like eat peoples goats and kill their children, so she is forced to lock them up (though the big 'misbehaved' dragon is still on the loose lol). So I think that scene was pretty interesting, but maybe I just read too much into it who knows. Anyways winter is here - we have to wait forever for more GoT ='[.
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On June 16 2014 19:08 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 19:03 Zandar wrote:
When Podrick mentioned "that's Sandor Clegane, The Hound" Bryanne immediately knew that the girl was Arya.
How did she know that? The pie dude told her what happened with Arya and the Hound.
Indeed. Thanks, I forgot all about that
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