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On December 31 2017 02:49 Charoisaur wrote:
Finally an original story and no rehash of old episodes.
- Rebel base needs to be evacuated before the bad guys destroy it number 1.
- Sith Lord showing scenes to a young Jedi of her allies' fleet getting demolished in hopes of breaking her.
- Sith Lord being blinded while about to murder a young Jedi, losing awareness of his surroundings, thus his pupil can betray and kill him.
- AT-ATs are slowly approaching a Rebel base on a "white planet", while the Rebels employ shuttles to halt the offensive.
- Rebel base needs to be evacuated before the bad guys destroy it number 2.
- A young Jedi goes into a dark and mysterious entrance, despite explicitly being told by his Master not to do it.
- A young Jedi sees weird shit after stepping into the dark and mysterious entrance.
- Yoda.
- A Jedi and a Sith are trying to convince each-other why they should join the other side and why their ways are flawed.
- Someone wants to be a Jedi, but her master is a grumpy old fella, who behaves like a senile old man and is unwilling to train her, but later changes his mind.
- The young, hot-headed Jedi tells her Master that she has got to go, abruptly leaving her Master and ending her training, despite being told that it's a bad move.
- Rebels try to infiltrate the bad guys' base in undercover, but they get discovered.
- Finn fights someone with a batton.
- The Millenium Falcon goes into a place with lots of tight corridors that requires insane maneuvers to navigate, thus the Tie fighters chasing it are being crashed left and right, and the Falcon triumphantly escapes.
Yes, finally an original story and no rehash of old episodes. Were you being sarcastic, or have you never seen a Star Wars movie before?
On December 31 2017 12:57 Charoisaur wrote:
Rey's Martial arts prowess seems illogical too but it was already established that she's very powerful and we saw her training alone (the scene where she was swinging her lightsaber while Luke was watching).
All right, I see you were being serious. But this also needs to be addressed: what does it matter if someone swings her lightsaber around?? Everyone needs a coach who can at least tell you what and how to practice. You can't just grab a sword, swing it around randomly for 3 days and become a crusader. Come on now...
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Okay some similarities can be found but it's copied from 2 movies instead of one (some of those things happened in ep5 and some in ep6) and in random order so it's not as predictable what will happen.
Also the Ren/Rey dynamic was new in that they killed Snoke and then turned against each other again. I definitely did not expect that.
Also with Snoke dead already now the next movie is already guaranteed to be different.
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Just being different doesn't mean its going to be any better or any worse. Disrupting peoples expectations doesn't mean anything about if its good or not.
Star wars is a rehash of Japanese movies and flash gordan. lots of movies lift their plots from either Shakespeare or the heros journey from antiquity but no one cares about that they just care if its a good movie or not.
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I don't mind rehashing things, but when TFA was battered by some for being ANH number 2 while I see TLJ paraded as this brave and daring new movie, when it's ESB/RotJ number 2.... that is annoying.
On a side note: let's not compare being inspired/stealing from some Japanese movie and doing the same thing within your franchise. You try to frame these concerns like the problem here is that Rian stole from a 1925 silent movie.
On December 31 2017 23:26 Charoisaur wrote:
Okay some similarities can be found but it's copied from 2 movies instead of one (some of those things happened in ep5 and some in ep6) and in random order so it's not as predictable what will happen.
Also the Ren/Rey dynamic was new in that they killed Snoke and then turned against each other again. I definitely did not expect that.
Also with Snoke dead already now the next movie is already guaranteed to be different.
The next movie will be done by J.J. Abrams who made TFA, so if you despised TFA so much, then you might be in for some disappointment.
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I can't imagine how pissed jj has to be with this.
He threw like 15 great setups into tfa and tlj is just like: "lol, fuck you and everything you did, here have some spacepenguinhamsters instead."
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Two weeks late but finally got some time to see it.
Feel like this is the type of movie I need to rewatch before giving a final judgement but still, my honest opinion so far 
I know this is going to sound weird for such a high pace movie with pretty much constant action but, a few times, I found myself kinda... Bored? A little? The point of view between the different stories is constantly changing but most of the times, all of this is going nowhere. The Finn one felt especially wasted...
The movie lacked truly epic moments also, you know, the kind that has you on the edge of your seat... The tag team between Rey and Kylo was nice but that's pretty much the only one I can remember.
A few cringe worthy moments (Leia flying in the space and the stupid Rose romance were two of the worst) but ultimately, that was just inconsequential details.
I still enjoyed it though, Adam Driver's acting was really nice, liked the idea of a new start with the end of the Jedi and the Sith, the fact that both Snoke and Rey came from nowhere and all in all, the action and the visuals were cool. Just didn't enjoyed it as much as I thought I would.
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After this movie I can say with calm heart that as far as I am concerned Star Wars stopped existing after Disney bought it.
I got 6 movies, 3 good ones, 3 average ones and that will be enough. These shitty fan level products I will put into same shit bag as new Star Trek movies and forget about it existing.
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Quite liked this. Had some silliness in it but overall good. I’d give it a 7/10.
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Not as good as JJ Abrams' TFA imo but still decent. Casino planet plot seemed a little gimmicky/throwaway but Benicio del Toro played a really cool character so forgiven. Disney animals were not as annoying as they could have been. Appreciated the nods to the (now defunct) extended universe - Luke's entanglement with the dark side, Leia as a force user. Also some people seem to be upset with Rey's combat prowess - remember she was a loner scavenger on a fringe world for her whole life basically. She still carries that dank metal quarterstaff around with her everywhere did you think that was a walking stick? Seems to me that she's just blended her new force affinity with her previous survival skills. In a land of laser swords and space wizards it doesn't seem that farfetched, no? Solid 8/10 for me, looking forward to the next one.
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In a galaxy far far away, space bombers function exactly like WW2 bombers, where their payload is dropped out the bottom of the ship. Which is open to space, because how would you aim?
Movie was very good. I didn't think a starwars movie would surprise me. I was happen to be surprised.
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Oh, just popping in to say one more thing. Leia's space flight was badly executed as a scene, but there was nothing particularly unbelievable about Leia having that power.
I suggest you guys watch Rebels S03E02. Kanan does exactly the same thing. He's a trained force user, and he does it consciously, but it's not at all farfetched that Leia can force pull herself back to safety as an unconscious adrenaline-fueled effort kicks in to save her life.
And nobody calls Rebels out on giving their force users unbelievable powers. Only helicopter lightsabers (which are unbelievably stupid) are mentioned as particularly egregious.
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Rebels should be called out on having a cast of particularly unremarkable heroes who seem to never be in any real trouble and always deus ex machina their way out of tough situations. The show has surface level appeal and a few interesting concepts are tested there but I can’t call it a good show. It just feels... kiddy. Not like a children’s cartoon, but childish.
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On January 02 2018 01:11 LegalLord wrote:
Rebels should be called out on having a cast of particularly unremarkable heroes who seem to never be in any real trouble and always deus ex machina their way out of tough situations. The show has surface level appeal and a few interesting concepts are tested there but I can’t call it a good show. It just feels... kiddy. Not like a children’s cartoon, but childish.
I miss Clone Wars...
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On December 31 2017 23:36 Volband wrote:I don't mind rehashing things, but when TFA was battered by some for being ANH number 2 while I see TLJ paraded as this brave and daring new movie, when it's ESB/RotJ number 2.... that is annoying. On a side note: let's not compare being inspired/stealing from some Japanese movie and doing the same thing within your franchise. You try to frame these concerns like the problem here is that Rian stole from a 1925 silent movie. Show nested quote +On December 31 2017 23:26 Charoisaur wrote:
Okay some similarities can be found but it's copied from 2 movies instead of one (some of those things happened in ep5 and some in ep6) and in random order so it's not as predictable what will happen.
Also the Ren/Rey dynamic was new in that they killed Snoke and then turned against each other again. I definitely did not expect that.
Also with Snoke dead already now the next movie is already guaranteed to be different. The next movie will be done by J.J. Abrams who made TFA, so if you despised TFA so much, then you might be in for some disappointment.
Honestly, despite have a near identical plot to ANH, I liked TFA better than TLJ. TLJ just had too many plot holes, unnecessary plotlines and characters and the pacing was kind of weird.
TFA was kind of like what you'd get with a 9 figure fanmade movie done well. TLJ was what you'd get with a 9 figure fanmade movie done meh. You can also kind of see how the two movies were clearly written by different people with the disconnects.
On January 01 2018 15:12 Plansix wrote:
In a galaxy far far away, space bombers function exactly like WW2 bombers, where their payload is dropped out the bottom of the ship. Which is open to space, because how would you aim?
Movie was very good. I didn't think a starwars movie would surprise me. I was happen to be surprised.
Also, gravity????
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TLJ just had too many plot holes
Pls name them all, i need a good laugh right now
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On January 03 2018 03:02 The_Red_Viper wrote: Pls name them all, i need a good laugh right now
Not necessarily plot holes, but things that bothered me:
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The New Republic has got to be the most incompetent group of idiots to let the First Order develop in the first place and then let them get completely decapitated. They kinda deserve it if they were that dumb.
Bad guys still don't know how to build a superweapon without a superweakness. If anything, they've gotten worse since this hold was fucking ginormous. At least the death star I port was small, and the death star II had an opening because it wasn't finished.
People can breathe in outer space. Except when, y'know, they can't. Also see gravity in zero-G.
Rey wandering into a literal hole. Of evil and stuff. Which doesn't really do much.
Rebels spend hours/ days slowly running away from The First Order. The First Order is slower. All of them are slower. You know, just because.
The actual genius hacker. Where did he go, and how did Rose (who is a top 10 worst romantic subplot device) and Finn manage to find another similarly genius hacker (who is the cliche drunk mercenary type)?
Good guys wandering into secure enemy ship/ facilities with little more than fake mustaches with no issues whatsoever.
After losing most of their shit, the rebels/ Holdo finally turns around and ram the enemy fleet resulting in practically a OHKO.
Autopilot doesn't exist.
Snoke being generally a joke. Extreme discount Palpatine.
So all the Knights of Ren are dead. I had kind of assumed that they were the other Jedi trainees that Kylo took with him, but IDK.
Luke and Kylo: Luke goes from "I sense some good in you dad" for Darth Vader to "oh shit nope no gotta kill this kid" with his freaking nephew.
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On December 31 2017 22:14 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2017 02:49 Charoisaur wrote:
Finally an original story and no rehash of old episodes.
- Rebel base needs to be evacuated before the bad guys destroy it number 1.- Sith Lord showing scenes to a young Jedi of her allies' fleet getting demolished in hopes of breaking her. - Sith Lord being blinded while about to murder a young Jedi, losing awareness of his surroundings, thus his pupil can betray and kill him. - AT-ATs are slowly approaching a Rebel base on a "white planet", while the Rebels employ shuttles to halt the offensive. - Rebel base needs to be evacuated before the bad guys destroy it number 2. - A young Jedi goes into a dark and mysterious entrance, despite explicitly being told by his Master not to do it.- A young Jedi sees weird shit after stepping into the dark and mysterious entrance.- Yoda.- A Jedi and a Sith are trying to convince each-other why they should join the other side and why their ways are flawed.- Someone wants to be a Jedi, but her master is a grumpy old fella, who behaves like a senile old man and is unwilling to train her, but later changes his mind.- The young, hot-headed Jedi tells her Master that she has got to go, abruptly leaving her Master and ending her training, despite being told that it's a bad move.- Rebels try to infiltrate the bad guys' base in undercover, but they get discovered. - Finn fights someone with a batton. - The Millenium Falcon goes into a place with lots of tight corridors that requires insane maneuvers to navigate, thus the Tie fighters chasing it are being crashed left and right, and the Falcon triumphantly escapes.Yes, finally an original story and no rehash of old episodes. Were you being sarcastic, or have you never seen a Star Wars movie before? Show nested quote +On December 31 2017 12:57 Charoisaur wrote:
Rey's Martial arts prowess seems illogical too but it was already established that she's very powerful and we saw her training alone (the scene where she was swinging her lightsaber while Luke was watching). All right, I see you were being serious. But this also needs to be addressed: what does it matter if someone swings her lightsaber around?? Everyone needs a coach who can at least tell you what and how to practice. You can't just grab a sword, swing it around randomly for 3 days and become a crusader. Come on now...
Come on, half of this is normal star wars. That's like arguing that people in a samurai movie use swords and talk about honor.
Hell even the rebel parts you listed were just basic plot points for establishing the evil guys as superior, which is a typical part of Black vs White stories. The good Hobbits have to leave the inn, before the evil Nazghul destroy it. I laughed at the white planet part. Many points you make are so generalized that you could argue that episode 2 is a rehash of episode 4.
That's in no way comparable to TFA f.e..
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They just don't explain anything happening in the movie, we just kind of have to sit there and go.. ok guess that happened and fill in the blanks. A real shit movie tbh, I don't want to admit to watching Guardians of the Galaxy 2, but this movie felt more like that load of crap than Star Wars. What a waste of time, I was basically facepalming throughout the entire movie. I was too afraid to laugh out loud or scream angrily at what was presented on screen, since I didn't want to ruin the experience of those who sat close to me.
Snoke was shown after his death where he was just meant to look silly, how can you take anything seriously if the movie doesn't even take it's own main villain seriously. He kind of just felt like the Goblin King in the Hobbit movie, which was also a shit movie and just like that trilogy I probably won't bother finishing it.
Snoke was a joke. Leah somehow possessed the strongest ability ever seen in Star Wars. Luke supposedly had gone through the biggest change ever, but the movie doesn't explain why this would be, why didn't he simply take things into his own hands. Yoda was not Yoda. Yoda is basically the greatest teacher ever, he carries with him 900 years of wisdom. In this film he is reduced to a Bob Marley like character basically saying: "whatever happens, happens man.." Mastery is apparently not a path, it's instead about who you are, or some shit. He might as well have lit a joint right then and there. His words of wisdom is that we as living beings should learn from our mistakes... oki, I guess that can perhaps be considered wise, even though it's something that is said often, but this is in the same trilogy which features Rey as character who makes no mistakes at all, she just waddles through everything victoriously, she even bests Luke in a weird stick fight. She understands Chewbacca language better than Luke, though I missed the part where she was raised by Chewbacca people. She understands Droid language, have no issues being raised on her own, while having a thick accent that ressembles nothing of the place she lived.
I came into this movie being kinda hyped because I was certain they would explain her lineage or something that would explain why she does everything so effortlessly. My theory was that she had been trained by Luke in earlier years, but Luke blanked her memory for some reason and sent her to the desert planet of Jakku?.
But nope, Snoke is a nobody, Rey is a nobody, no one is anyone, are we just supposed to feel feelings for people that represent nothing?
Luke asks: "Where is Han." and almost immediately the movie clips away and we never get any reaction to the death of Han Solo from Luke the entire movie? are you fcking kiddin' me?
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On January 03 2018 05:20 ejozl wrote:
Snoke was shown after his death where he was just meant to look silly, how can you take anything seriously if the movie doesn't even take it's own main villain seriously. He kind of just felt like the Goblin King in the Hobbit movie, which was also a shit movie and just like that trilogy I probably won't bother finishing it.
What's with this idea that Snoke is the main villain?
On January 03 2018 05:20 ejozl wrote:
But nope, Snoke is a nobody, Rey is a nobody, no one is anyone, are we just supposed to feel feelings for people that represent nothing?
Yes, we are.
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