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Seiniyta
Belgium1815 Posts
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
If Gai died, I would still think the way the power levels have gone in this manga are stupid and poorly written, but Gai's sacrifice would be a magnificent story of ultimate sacrifice and love for one's nakama. As it is, that story is somewhat cheapened by the lack of a true cost, and does not elevate the plot as it might have. I'm glad he's alive, but there's an epicness that cannot be recovered when his revival costs so little. (I also always thought "Stranger than Fiction" itself would have been a much more powerful and impactful movie if Will Ferrell had still died at the end. | ||
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
As for the power levels being stupid and poorly written, that boat sailed long ago. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On April 10 2014 18:50 Seiniyta wrote: I'm fine with Gai living; He'll be reconized by the nations as a hero for having inflicted so much damage to Madera even if he isn't the one that did the killing blow. And in twenty years, all ninja wore green jumpsuits and had ugly bowl cuts in honor of the man who almost took down Madara. | ||
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Fumanchu
Canada669 Posts
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Minahga
United States15 Posts
Sharingan is still very strong, before it just seemed stronger because Naruto was still just a kid. He even used a lower tail count kyuubi. Now that the only Sharingan that matters is Mangekyou, of course Naruto has to use Sage mode to come close. Sasuke had the curse mark as a second booster, and Naruto had additional tails to boost himself too. They've been pretty much even. Now others... A lot people complain Byakugan is weak, but it's supposed to be. Remember it was only really strong vs regular Sharingan and lost to Kyuubi Naruto when he really tried. Hyuuga clan fighting style is also very close to Taijutsu, they just have the bonus eye ability of seeing really good and awareness in 360° and go for chakra points (which would cripple an actual Taijutsu fighter). So what we already knew from the start is still true and hasn't changed. Taijutsu weakest, then Sharingan (which can predict movements), then Byakugan (can trump Sharingan because it detects Genjutsu), then Mangekyou Sharingan (basically a costly but powerful upgrade that can trump Byakugan), then Rinnegan. Various Kages all have different strengths, some individuals have chakra levels rivaling a tailed beast (swordsmen, akatsuki, and sennin too) etc. If you really sit down and think about it, power levels in Naruto are fine and shown well. | ||
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yevoc
United States93 Posts
INCREDIBLE CHAPTER Don't forget that Lee will be the only true ninja left once the tree-fruit-bullshit does its thing with all chakra. He will lord over everyone like a boss cause even the slightest hint of the tiniest thought of the merest possibility of an 8-gate Night-Guy will make everyone keel over dead. | ||
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yevoc
United States93 Posts
Alot of the other shit he's done to the manga is probably ass pull, but Kishi has said for a very long time he had a vision on how it would end with Naruto and Sasuke. It redeems him a teeny-tiny bit. | ||
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
On April 11 2014 17:13 Minahga wrote: Why does everyone complain about power levels? I don't feel like they've been misrepresented at all. Sharingan is still very strong, before it just seemed stronger because Naruto was still just a kid. He even used a lower tail count kyuubi. Now that the only Sharingan that matters is Mangekyou, of course Naruto has to use Sage mode to come close. Sasuke had the curse mark as a second booster, and Naruto had additional tails to boost himself too. They've been pretty much even. Now others... A lot people complain Byakugan is weak, but it's supposed to be. Remember it was only really strong vs regular Sharingan and lost to Kyuubi Naruto when he really tried. Hyuuga clan fighting style is also very close to Taijutsu, they just have the bonus eye ability of seeing really good and awareness in 360° and go for chakra points (which would cripple an actual Taijutsu fighter). So what we already knew from the start is still true and hasn't changed. Taijutsu weakest, then Sharingan (which can predict movements), then Byakugan (can trump Sharingan because it detects Genjutsu), then Mangekyou Sharingan (basically a costly but powerful upgrade that can trump Byakugan), then Rinnegan. Various Kages all have different strengths, some individuals have chakra levels rivaling a tailed beast (swordsmen, akatsuki, and sennin too) etc. If you really sit down and think about it, power levels in Naruto are fine and shown well. The point is that at the beginning of the manga one was led to believe that each generation surpassed the last, only instead to find that every single modern ninja is rubbish compared to the OP powers the oldest ninjas had. Fights used to be not just about raw power, but about using ninja tactics to out-think your opponent and making the most of your strengths while covering for your weaknesses. Sadly, those days are long gone. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 12 2014 02:50 LaughingTulkas wrote: The point is that at the beginning of the manga one was led to believe that each generation surpassed the last, only instead to find that every single modern ninja is rubbish compared to the OP powers the oldest ninjas had. Fights used to be not just about raw power, but about using ninja tactics to out-think your opponent and making the most of your strengths while covering for your weaknesses. Sadly, those days are long gone. Naruto used his brain more but pretty much everyone else was just power VS power | ||
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shark.
593 Posts
Enter the Legends of the world that can deal with all the tailed beasts at once and know nearly everything there is to know about every jutsu out there then brains are gonna get you killed. The old generation are the ones who created everything the young ones know. Shounen logic dictates that the people who create the world as you learn it (Yamamoto in bleach, Madara and Harahima in Naruto for example) will be people of immersible power that people may only dream of being capable of matching. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 12 2014 03:02 shark. wrote: Brains mattered more early on because there was never a true real threat other than the Tailed beasts. If people enter (Akatsuki) who can fight and capture these powers then it seems reasonable enough that brains won't win you a fight against people that strong. Enter the Legends of the world that can deal with all the tailed beasts at once and know nearly everything there is to know about every jutsu out there then brains are gonna get you killed. The old generation are the ones who created everything the young ones know. Shounen logic dictates that the people who create the world as you learn it (Yamamoto in bleach, Madara and Harahima in Naruto for example) will be people of immersible power that people may only dream of being capable of matching. who on earth used there brains aside from Naruto though? Kakashi never did much strategizing against Zabuza just multiple clones then straight up power battle with Jutsu im really stretching to think of battles that really was mind games that didnt include Naruto | ||
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shark.
593 Posts
On April 12 2014 03:15 Forikorder wrote: who on earth used there brains aside from Naruto though? Kakashi never did much strategizing against Zabuza just multiple clones then straight up power battle with Jutsu im really stretching to think of battles that really was mind games that didnt include Naruto The rescue Sasuke arc had everyone using there brains alot i felt. Points afterwards such as Jirayia vs Pain Itachi vs Sasuke etc sort of had thinking. Jiriaya and the 3rd i feel are the true embodiments of the true brains meet extreme fucking power. They both never used true hax, just pure unadulterated immeasurable battle prowess, talent and experience. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 12 2014 02:50 LaughingTulkas wrote: The point is that at the beginning of the manga one was led to believe that each generation surpassed the last, only instead to find that every single modern ninja is rubbish compared to the OP powers the oldest ninjas had. Fights used to be not just about raw power, but about using ninja tactics to out-think your opponent and making the most of your strengths while covering for your weaknesses. Sadly, those days are long gone. well Gai kind of owned Madara in his OP form when the 5 Kages together got crushed without standing a chance whatsoever against the not-yet-upgraded Madara, which in itself is pretty hilarious. I mean let's pretend there's no revived people, no alliance and no war: The leaf could probably take over the world sending out Gai on a rambo-mission. Not that'd he'd do that but he could. But the revived Kages got pretty much crushed by upgraded Madara as well so in a way.... Gai's pretty much the strongest thing out there right now (ignoring Naruto/Sasuke) and he would have probably crushed the 1st Hokage or at least given him a good run for his money as well considering that Madara in his state now > 1st Hokage. But Gai actually came somewhat close to killing him. I guess you could always argue that Madara offered him a free punch but idk. I'd say the modern ones are stronger right now, just very few ones but than again, those OP as fuck old ones aren't exactly your average ninja's either. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On April 12 2014 03:38 Toadesstern wrote: well Gai kind of owned Madara in his OP form when the 5 Kages together got crushed without standing a chance whatsoever against the not-yet-upgraded Madara, which in itself is pretty hilarious. I mean let's pretend there's no revived people, no alliance and no war: The leaf could probably take over the world sending out Gai on a rambo-mission. Not that'd he'd do that but he could. But the revived Kages got pretty much crushed by upgraded Madara as well so in a way.... Gai's pretty much the strongest thing out there right now (ignoring Naruto/Sasuke) and he would have probably crushed the 1st Hokage or at least given him a good run for his money as well considering that Madara in his state now > 1st Hokage. But Gai actually came somewhat close to killing him. I guess you could always argue that Madara offered him a free punch but idk. I'd say the modern ones are stronger right now, just very few ones but than again, those OP as fuck old ones aren't exactly your average ninja's either. If Gai used all 8 gates, yes he could beat literally everyone in the manga. But then they both die. So no Gai couldn't take over the entire world. Unless they put all 5 kages at the same place at the same time for Gai to just AoE down with his moves before he burns out and dies. | ||
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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
On April 12 2014 03:22 shark. wrote: The rescue Sasuke arc had everyone using there brains alot i felt. Points afterwards such as Jirayia vs Pain Itachi vs Sasuke etc sort of had thinking. Jiriaya and the 3rd i feel are the true embodiments of the true brains meet extreme fucking power. They both never used true hax, just pure unadulterated immeasurable battle prowess, talent and experience. Sasuke's fights were all strategical before he got MS and started mostly spamming shit. Kakashi always had to take his small chakra pool into consideration before magically becoming able to spam Kamui harder than Naruto spams Rasengan. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On April 12 2014 02:50 LaughingTulkas wrote: The point is that at the beginning of the manga one was led to believe that each generation surpassed the last, only instead to find that every single modern ninja is rubbish compared to the OP powers the oldest ninjas had. Fights used to be not just about raw power, but about using ninja tactics to out-think your opponent and making the most of your strengths while covering for your weaknesses. Sadly, those days are long gone. This was something they only mentioned in passing, and the real theme is quite different, but not inconsistent with it. The actual theme is that once every couple generations or so, a pair of shinobi emerge who represent the brotherhood of Indra and Ashura, it's a relationship that repeats, until something happens to break the cycle. This doesn't preclude the idea of each generation succeeding the previous, rather that the chosen 2 will always be head and shoulders above everyone else, despite which era they're from. | ||
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Raneth
England527 Posts
On April 12 2014 05:34 NewSunshine wrote: This was something they only mentioned in passing, and the real theme is quite different, but not inconsistent with it. The actual theme is that once every couple generations or so, a pair of shinobi emerge who represent the brotherhood of Indra and Ashura, it's a relationship that repeats, until something happens to break the cycle. This doesn't preclude the idea of each generation succeeding the previous, rather that the chosen 2 will always be head and shoulders above everyone else, despite which era they're from. Am i to read this as sarcasm or a serious post? | ||
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goody153
44313 Posts
I wish this manga will be done in a couple of weeks or so. And end my misery in one of the the most godawful arc's i have seen. I just need closure | ||
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