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On December 24 2013 14:15 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 14:07 LaughingTulkas wrote:On December 22 2013 01:24 Forikorder wrote:On December 22 2013 00:42 BlackPaladin wrote:On December 19 2013 20:08 Mataza wrote:
While Tsukoyomi and Amaterasu each use a different eye(left and right, accordingly) Susanoo has been shown to be used with both eyes of the Mangekyou Sharingan. Also both eyes bleeding, as was customary earlier in the manga.
So no, I don't buy it in the least that Susanoo is a no eyes technique. While I normally find Forikorder to be wrong, when Itachi and Sasuke used Susanoo earlier and their eyes bled, they had regular mangekyou sharingans. Sasuke with his new EMS, and Madara who has EMS both have yet to have their eyes bleed when using Susanoo. I think it's just one of the abilities of the EMS, allowing you to "forever see the light" and whatnot. The bleeding I think represents actual damage caused to your eyes from the strain of using the jutsu, but with EMS that strain doesn't happen, so you don't lose your eyesight anymore. Just a theory, really. Granted a lot of crap Kishi has come out with recently has just gone against a lot of his previously done things. Even power levels of characters are just ridiculous at this point. But regardless, using Susanoo without eyes I doubt is that big of a deal. If we want to take Kishi seriously, probably the eyes unlock the ability to use Susanoo as long as you have Uchiha blood. So even if you don't have the eyes, your blood will allow you to activate Susanoo since the sharingan is inherently a blood-line trait. just re-read the danzo fight which is the biggest case of someone without EMS using the Susano'o a ton and the only eye that bled was the one that cast Amaterasu, same with Itachi i just cant find any reason to believe Susano'o needs eyes Besides the Obito quote I mentioned before, we also have the one mentioned here from Itachi, saying that Susanoo was "the third and final technique ... that awoke within these eyes." Now you can make up whatever explanation YOU want for this, but it's clearly a reason to believe that Susanoo is an eye technique, and that Kishi screwed up this time. + Show Spoiler +Off topic: I find it weird that you always say Oda is wrong, but you are arguing here that Kishi is right. I think you just like to go against the common wisdom because you like to be contrarian. ive never said Oda is wrong, both him and Kishi are good writers who can keep there story straight, the only story i criticize is bleach on topic aside from 2 throwaway lines from characters there has never been any reason to actually think that the Susano'o is at all connected to the eyes, if there was the slightest pice of visual evidence like how one eye bleeds when you use amaterasu but theres nothing no glowing or bleeding or change in any way, theres no close up on the eyes at all or any visual que at all to connect susano'o with the eyes, or some line from obito like "your lucky my eyes arent far enough to use the Susano'o" or anything at all that actually connects the Susano'o to the eyes taht would be one thing buts just a physical-ish manifestation of chakra its like thinking that Gaara needs to use his eyes to manipulate sand
Would you at least admit that for OTHER people, 2 lines (what determines if a line is throwaway or not?) of direct quotes from the only people in the Naruto universe who know how Susanoo actually works saying that it is unlocked using your eyes could conceivably be regarded as evidence that the technique uses your eyes, even with a lack of visual evidence in the drawings (what's the visual evidence for using any sharingan technique except Amaterasu anyway?)?
Your reasoning is specious as well, I mean, once a technique is old hat, you never see it explained or drawn anymore. Naruto still needs clones to make Rasengans, but we don't see that much anymore because we already know that, so it's boring. When Susanoo was introduced, lo and behold we have Itachi saying that it was an eye technique (not a throwaway line IMO, but expository). After that's explained we don't need to show anything with the eyes anymore.
I know you are famously unconvinceable, but I think that what evidence is there is against you.
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It's Rei who said Oda is wrong. Forikorder is instead the "well Oda never said x isn't y" and generally silly arguments guy.
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I am actually really looking forward to see what other OP ninjitsu is there
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On December 24 2013 14:29 LaughingTulkas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 14:15 Forikorder wrote:On December 24 2013 14:07 LaughingTulkas wrote:On December 22 2013 01:24 Forikorder wrote:On December 22 2013 00:42 BlackPaladin wrote:On December 19 2013 20:08 Mataza wrote:
While Tsukoyomi and Amaterasu each use a different eye(left and right, accordingly) Susanoo has been shown to be used with both eyes of the Mangekyou Sharingan. Also both eyes bleeding, as was customary earlier in the manga.
So no, I don't buy it in the least that Susanoo is a no eyes technique. While I normally find Forikorder to be wrong, when Itachi and Sasuke used Susanoo earlier and their eyes bled, they had regular mangekyou sharingans. Sasuke with his new EMS, and Madara who has EMS both have yet to have their eyes bleed when using Susanoo. I think it's just one of the abilities of the EMS, allowing you to "forever see the light" and whatnot. The bleeding I think represents actual damage caused to your eyes from the strain of using the jutsu, but with EMS that strain doesn't happen, so you don't lose your eyesight anymore. Just a theory, really. Granted a lot of crap Kishi has come out with recently has just gone against a lot of his previously done things. Even power levels of characters are just ridiculous at this point. But regardless, using Susanoo without eyes I doubt is that big of a deal. If we want to take Kishi seriously, probably the eyes unlock the ability to use Susanoo as long as you have Uchiha blood. So even if you don't have the eyes, your blood will allow you to activate Susanoo since the sharingan is inherently a blood-line trait. just re-read the danzo fight which is the biggest case of someone without EMS using the Susano'o a ton and the only eye that bled was the one that cast Amaterasu, same with Itachi i just cant find any reason to believe Susano'o needs eyes Besides the Obito quote I mentioned before, we also have the one mentioned here from Itachi, saying that Susanoo was "the third and final technique ... that awoke within these eyes." Now you can make up whatever explanation YOU want for this, but it's clearly a reason to believe that Susanoo is an eye technique, and that Kishi screwed up this time. + Show Spoiler +Off topic: I find it weird that you always say Oda is wrong, but you are arguing here that Kishi is right. I think you just like to go against the common wisdom because you like to be contrarian. ive never said Oda is wrong, both him and Kishi are good writers who can keep there story straight, the only story i criticize is bleach on topic aside from 2 throwaway lines from characters there has never been any reason to actually think that the Susano'o is at all connected to the eyes, if there was the slightest pice of visual evidence like how one eye bleeds when you use amaterasu but theres nothing no glowing or bleeding or change in any way, theres no close up on the eyes at all or any visual que at all to connect susano'o with the eyes, or some line from obito like "your lucky my eyes arent far enough to use the Susano'o" or anything at all that actually connects the Susano'o to the eyes taht would be one thing buts just a physical-ish manifestation of chakra its like thinking that Gaara needs to use his eyes to manipulate sand Would you at least admit that for OTHER people, 2 lines (what determines if a line is throwaway or not?) of direct quotes from the only people in the Naruto universe who know how Susanoo actually works saying that it is unlocked using your eyes could conceivably be regarded as evidence that the technique uses your eyes, even with a lack of visual evidence in the drawings (what's the visual evidence for using any sharingan technique except Amaterasu anyway?)? Your reasoning is specious as well, I mean, once a technique is old hat, you never see it explained or drawn anymore. Naruto still needs clones to make Rasengans, but we don't see that much anymore because we already know that, so it's boring. When Susanoo was introduced, lo and behold we have Itachi saying that it was an eye technique (not a throwaway line IMO, but expository). After that's explained we don't need to show anything with the eyes anymore. I know you are famously unconvinceable, but I think that what evidence is there is against you.
amaterasu needs you to lock onto a target to engulf them in flame
Tsukyomi needs eye contact in order to cast
what does susano'o need that makes it an eye technique?
also Naruto hasnt needed clones for Rasengan since he trained chakra control with Bee
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in a world where a pair of eyes grant you the ability to manipulate gravity who the fuck knows what it needs that makes it a specific technique of the sharingan
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I expect 4th will give the other Kurama to Naruto.
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On December 25 2013 20:23 Fwizzz wrote:
I expect 4th will give the other Kurama to Naruto.
I expect the power of friendship to break Madara's jutsu. And flashbacks, lots of flashbacks.
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I thought Gaara's mark was because his dad hated him?
Good chapter though. It's nice to see some characters haven't been abandoned completely.
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Gaaras mark was self inflicted I thought?
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Hm. Can anybody remind me what the reason was, why Madara didn't just give Obito his eyes, weaken him in some sort or fashion, order black Zetsu take him over and force him to revive him?
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At least Gaare gets some screen time.
Gaara has had a way worse past than Naruto. He should be the main character
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I need help to find out what episode of the anime I watched last, been a while, and I don't want to read spoilers so I'm writing here, any help via PMs would be much <3 <3
Last thing I remember watching is: + Show Spoiler + naruto defeating pain, being the village hero and stuff, then (?) naruto going to an island to be instructed by the 8 tail dude.. oh and I remember naruto being about to die and the 4th hokage coming to seal the 9 tail and stuff like that, not sure if that was before or after defeating pain.
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On December 26 2013 00:03 sharkie wrote:
At least Gaare gets some screen time.
Gaara has had a way worse past than Naruto. He should be the main character
Sasuke had it even worse imo.
On December 26 2013 01:26 Lylat wrote:
Poweroffriendship no jutsu still better than talk no jutsu imo
But power of friendship is common in all shonen mangas. TnJ is somewhat unique to Naruto and in some cases, like against Obito, Naruto's arguments actually make sense.
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I didn't see this coming. Too bad Naruto will power up and defeat Madara by the POWAH OV FREENDSHIPPU
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Poweroffriendship no jutsu still better than talk no jutsu imo
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On December 26 2013 00:43 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2013 01:26 Lylat wrote:
Poweroffriendship no jutsu still better than talk no jutsu imo But power of friendship is common in all shonen mangas. TnJ is somewhat unique to Naruto and in some cases, like against Obito, Naruto's arguments actually make sense.
Because Obito was operating on irrational reasons. But for the same reason the TnJ shouldn't have worked. It's akin to using arguments that make sense to turn someone devoted away from religion. When has that ever worked?
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Things that I think could possibly happen after this chapter.
- Kurama tells Gaara to give Naruto the Shukaku's chakra, then uses the chakra from the tail Madara cut off from the 8 tails then gives it to Naruto. Naruto then powers up to the equivalent of the SO6P, since he has now recieved chakra from all the other tailed beasts (Chapter 572 and Chapter 629) - where Naruto fist bumps all the beats and the Juubi then sees all of the other beast chakra within Naruto.
- Naruto to get Obito's left eye.
- Naruto receives the other half of Kurama from Minato and avoids dying.
- Naruto dies then is revived by Obito and receives Obito's left eye.
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hmm interesting chapter. For confirmation purposes, the kyuubi hasn't been extracted yet right? The ending scene was Naruto breaking his bond with the kyuubi in order to try and save him by freeing him from the chain. Right? Interesting chapter. Nice to see more about Shakaku and all the background stuff. Can't wait for the next chapter!
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