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On December 20 2013 03:30 []Phase[] wrote:
I liked when sharingan was just used for hypnosis / seeing very fast movement. Susanoo coming forth out of an eye just makes 0 sense to me.
kinda this lol. It was nice when sharingan was for seeing fast movements and I didn't mind having those 3 abilities with some sharingan users being able to do one or two max(three was elite(susanoo being third)). I guess it's not that bad that there are some differences between sharingan users but Madara using Susanoo without even a single eye was madness! XD
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On December 20 2013 01:28 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +While Tsukoyomi and Amaterasu each use a different eye(left and right, accordingly) Susanoo has been shown to be used with both eyes of the Mangekyou Sharingan. Also both eyes bleeding, as was customary earlier in the manga.
So no, I don't buy it in the least that Susanoo is a no eyes technique. do you mind showing where this was shown? Show nested quote +Sasuke also went near blind after his fight with Danzo and he didn't use much more than Susanoo in that fight.
edit: Reminds me how boring that fight actually was with Sasuke killing Danzo 10 times with his Susanoo lol. he had also very recently finished fighting the Kages too though and looking at Itachi Sasuke may have started to have vision problems but that would still give him quite some time of eye use left, and he did use genjutsu a few times in that fight as well
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-397-2/naruto/chapter-392.html
One liner from Itatchi I suppose.
IMHO the pair of eyes is required to "awaken" Susanoo but this technique does not require the eyes afterwards? I mean you don't really need to look at anything for this to happen unlike Tsukyomi/amateratsu/kamui/Tobi's thing(Tobi warps into his own eye).
I agree with you in that it is related to blood as it IS a blood-limit ability, but if an Uchiha's born blind, gl with that one.
Unrelated thought, Mandara is able to pop in eyes without surgery because he has Senju's healing powers? That kinda make sense now.
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On December 20 2013 07:48 spritzz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 01:28 Forikorder wrote:While Tsukoyomi and Amaterasu each use a different eye(left and right, accordingly) Susanoo has been shown to be used with both eyes of the Mangekyou Sharingan. Also both eyes bleeding, as was customary earlier in the manga.
So no, I don't buy it in the least that Susanoo is a no eyes technique. do you mind showing where this was shown? Sasuke also went near blind after his fight with Danzo and he didn't use much more than Susanoo in that fight.
edit: Reminds me how boring that fight actually was with Sasuke killing Danzo 10 times with his Susanoo lol. he had also very recently finished fighting the Kages too though and looking at Itachi Sasuke may have started to have vision problems but that would still give him quite some time of eye use left, and he did use genjutsu a few times in that fight as well http://www.mangapanda.com/93-397-2/naruto/chapter-392.htmlOne liner from Itatchi I suppose. IMHO the pair of eyes is required to "awaken" Susanoo but this technique does not require the eyes afterwards? I mean you don't really need to look at anything for this to happen unlike Tsukyomi/amateratsu/kamui/Tobi's thing(Tobi warps into his own eye). I agree with you in that it is related to blood as it IS a blood-limit ability, but if an Uchiha's born blind, gl with that one. Unrelated thought, Mandara is able to pop in eyes without surgery because he has Senju's healing powers? That kinda make sense now.
realistically with magic it would be a fairly simple process, just push the eye into the socket then use magic to connect the optic nerve
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Someone has mastered suspension of disbelief, I see.
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That's a given if you use "realistically" and "magic" in the same sentence.
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And not just any sentence, it literally starts with "realistically with magic".
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I've just been reading the comments for quite a while and holding back on commenting.
But I just can't help but say, I'm speechless...
Now for more productive comments:
- Given what we know about the lore about the tailed beasts, would it be possible for them to combine into the 10 tails without a "Sage of the Six Paths" to assist them? Before, they seemed to have a beef with each other but now they need to work together so would that work? Or would they "posses" one jinchuuriki and that force a "faux ten tails" even without Rinnegan?
- what does happen to a Jinchuuriki should he have more than 1 tailed beast inside yet be in harmony with all of them? Before there was a clash between the beast and the jinchuuriki so they needed to keep them in check, but as seen when there is harmony a balance can be struck. So in theory, would having more than 1 tailed beast be possible as long as they are in harmony?
- Does Sasuke still have that mystical sword that permanently seals the soul? I mean seal a person better than the death god right? The only one who has found a way around it seems to be Orochimaru and that way seems to be unique to his disposition only. What do you guys think? Will we see that sword again?
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- Given what we know about the lore about the tailed beasts, would it be possible for them to combine into the 10 tails without a "Sage of the Six Paths" to assist them? Before, they seemed to have a beef with each other but now they need to work together so would that work? Or would they "posses" one jinchuuriki and that force a "faux ten tails" even without Rinnegan?
no they need the Gedou and only the Rinnegan can summon and control it
- what does happen to a Jinchuuriki should he have more than 1 tailed beast inside yet be in harmony with all of them? Before there was a clash between the beast and the jinchuuriki so they needed to keep them in check, but as seen when there is harmony a balance can be struck. So in theory, would having more than 1 tailed beast be possible as long as they are in harmony?
its possible
- Does Sasuke still have that mystical sword that permanently seals the soul? I mean seal a person better than the death god right? The only one who has found a way around it seems to be Orochimaru and that way seems to be unique to his disposition only. What do you guys think? Will we see that sword again?
he never had it Itachi does
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On December 19 2013 20:08 Mataza wrote:
While Tsukoyomi and Amaterasu each use a different eye(left and right, accordingly) Susanoo has been shown to be used with both eyes of the Mangekyou Sharingan. Also both eyes bleeding, as was customary earlier in the manga.
So no, I don't buy it in the least that Susanoo is a no eyes technique.
While I normally find Forikorder to be wrong, when Itachi and Sasuke used Susanoo earlier and their eyes bled, they had regular mangekyou sharingans. Sasuke with his new EMS, and Madara who has EMS both have yet to have their eyes bleed when using Susanoo. I think it's just one of the abilities of the EMS, allowing you to "forever see the light" and whatnot. The bleeding I think represents actual damage caused to your eyes from the strain of using the jutsu, but with EMS that strain doesn't happen, so you don't lose your eyesight anymore. Just a theory, really.
Granted a lot of crap Kishi has come out with recently has just gone against a lot of his previously done things. Even power levels of characters are just ridiculous at this point. But regardless, using Susanoo without eyes I doubt is that big of a deal. If we want to take Kishi seriously, probably the eyes unlock the ability to use Susanoo as long as you have Uchiha blood. So even if you don't have the eyes, your blood will allow you to activate Susanoo since the sharingan is inherently a blood-line trait.
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Yeah the susanoo was supposed to be the ultimate sharingan technique. It's weird kishi decided to make the eyes optional.
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On December 22 2013 00:42 BlackPaladin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 20:08 Mataza wrote:
While Tsukoyomi and Amaterasu each use a different eye(left and right, accordingly) Susanoo has been shown to be used with both eyes of the Mangekyou Sharingan. Also both eyes bleeding, as was customary earlier in the manga.
So no, I don't buy it in the least that Susanoo is a no eyes technique. While I normally find Forikorder to be wrong, when Itachi and Sasuke used Susanoo earlier and their eyes bled, they had regular mangekyou sharingans. Sasuke with his new EMS, and Madara who has EMS both have yet to have their eyes bleed when using Susanoo. I think it's just one of the abilities of the EMS, allowing you to "forever see the light" and whatnot. The bleeding I think represents actual damage caused to your eyes from the strain of using the jutsu, but with EMS that strain doesn't happen, so you don't lose your eyesight anymore. Just a theory, really. Granted a lot of crap Kishi has come out with recently has just gone against a lot of his previously done things. Even power levels of characters are just ridiculous at this point. But regardless, using Susanoo without eyes I doubt is that big of a deal. If we want to take Kishi seriously, probably the eyes unlock the ability to use Susanoo as long as you have Uchiha blood. So even if you don't have the eyes, your blood will allow you to activate Susanoo since the sharingan is inherently a blood-line trait.
just re-read the danzo fight which is the biggest case of someone without EMS using the Susano'o a ton and the only eye that bled was the one that cast Amaterasu, same with Itachi
i just cant find any reason to believe Susano'o needs eyes
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I am just curious then. Doesn't Sasuke have Itachi's Susanoo after getting Itachi's eyes? I mean Sasuke's is the arrow wielder (Ranged Susanoo), while Itachi's is the (melee Susanoo)? He just prefer the ranged one right?
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On December 22 2013 08:43 17Sphynx17 wrote:
I am just curious then. Doesn't Sasuke have Itachi's Susanoo after getting Itachi's eyes? I mean Sasuke's is the arrow wielder (Ranged Susanoo), while Itachi's is the (melee Susanoo)? He just prefer the ranged one right?
we saw him use a susanoo that looked like a combo before he escaped the zetsus and met Itachi
his Susano'o has always had multiple forms though not jsut the arrow he had a melee form too and the just rib-shield thing
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Then how did Sasuke go blind so fast if Susanoo doesn't strain the eyes. Itachi, obito and Kakashi all used the eyes way more intensively than he did.
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On December 22 2013 13:14 RvB wrote:
Then how did Sasuke go blind so fast if Susanoo doesn't strain the eyes. Itachi, obito and Kakashi all used the eyes way more intensively than he did.
he never went blind he was starting to feel the straing
Itachi had used his eyes as sparingly as possible and only used a real technique maybe once a fight the absolute bare minimum
Kakashi only used his MS after the timeskip, he really only used it a handful of time
Obito was half-zetsu so that had to give him some help, plus he stayed in the shadows and barely did anything
Sasuke was spamming high class techniques as much as he could and pretty much had susano'o up at all times while spamming amaterasu so obviously he would progress faster
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On December 22 2013 13:22 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 13:14 RvB wrote:
Then how did Sasuke go blind so fast if Susanoo doesn't strain the eyes. Itachi, obito and Kakashi all used the eyes way more intensively than he did. he never went blind he was starting to feel the straing Itachi had used his eyes as sparingly as possible and only used a real technique maybe once a fight the absolute bare minimum Kakashi only used his MS after the timeskip, he really only used it a handful of time Obito was half-zetsu so that had to give him some help, plus he stayed in the shadows and barely did anything Sasuke was spamming high class techniques as much as he could and pretty much had susano'o up at all times while spamming amaterasu so obviously he would progress faster
while I agree with your other comments, I think he was actually becoming blind. Wasn't there a manga panel where he was shown to see an outline of the world(stuff you see when you're not seeing well) like a while back? Itachi only used techniques as he needed them and Kakashi only used Kamui rarely(like 5 times so far maybe or so).
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At the Sasuke vs Sakura, Naruto, kakashi confrontation Sasuke's eyes were so fucked that he only saw their silhouette.
it makes no sense that you don't need eyes to use susaano if it puts strain on your eyes so hard like that.
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On December 22 2013 17:27 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 13:22 Forikorder wrote:On December 22 2013 13:14 RvB wrote:
Then how did Sasuke go blind so fast if Susanoo doesn't strain the eyes. Itachi, obito and Kakashi all used the eyes way more intensively than he did. he never went blind he was starting to feel the straing Itachi had used his eyes as sparingly as possible and only used a real technique maybe once a fight the absolute bare minimum Kakashi only used his MS after the timeskip, he really only used it a handful of time Obito was half-zetsu so that had to give him some help, plus he stayed in the shadows and barely did anything Sasuke was spamming high class techniques as much as he could and pretty much had susano'o up at all times while spamming amaterasu so obviously he would progress faster while I agree with your other comments, I think he was actually becoming blind. Wasn't there a manga panel where he was shown to see an outline of the world(stuff you see when you're not seeing well) like a while back? Itachi only used techniques as he needed them and Kakashi only used Kamui rarely(like 5 times so far maybe or so).
likw i said he hadnt gone blind YET but was feeling the strain
in response to above, Sasuke was coughing blood so i imagine the Susano'o puts a strain on the whole body
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On December 22 2013 01:24 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 00:42 BlackPaladin wrote:On December 19 2013 20:08 Mataza wrote:
While Tsukoyomi and Amaterasu each use a different eye(left and right, accordingly) Susanoo has been shown to be used with both eyes of the Mangekyou Sharingan. Also both eyes bleeding, as was customary earlier in the manga.
So no, I don't buy it in the least that Susanoo is a no eyes technique. While I normally find Forikorder to be wrong, when Itachi and Sasuke used Susanoo earlier and their eyes bled, they had regular mangekyou sharingans. Sasuke with his new EMS, and Madara who has EMS both have yet to have their eyes bleed when using Susanoo. I think it's just one of the abilities of the EMS, allowing you to "forever see the light" and whatnot. The bleeding I think represents actual damage caused to your eyes from the strain of using the jutsu, but with EMS that strain doesn't happen, so you don't lose your eyesight anymore. Just a theory, really. Granted a lot of crap Kishi has come out with recently has just gone against a lot of his previously done things. Even power levels of characters are just ridiculous at this point. But regardless, using Susanoo without eyes I doubt is that big of a deal. If we want to take Kishi seriously, probably the eyes unlock the ability to use Susanoo as long as you have Uchiha blood. So even if you don't have the eyes, your blood will allow you to activate Susanoo since the sharingan is inherently a blood-line trait. just re-read the danzo fight which is the biggest case of someone without EMS using the Susano'o a ton and the only eye that bled was the one that cast Amaterasu, same with Itachi i just cant find any reason to believe Susano'o needs eyes
Besides the Obito quote I mentioned before, we also have the one mentioned here from Itachi, saying that Susanoo was "the third and final technique ... that awoke within these eyes." Now you can make up whatever explanation YOU want for this, but it's clearly a reason to believe that Susanoo is an eye technique, and that Kishi screwed up this time.
+ Show Spoiler +Off topic: I find it weird that you always say Oda is wrong, but you are arguing here that Kishi is right. I think you just like to go against the common wisdom because you like to be contrarian.
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On December 24 2013 14:07 LaughingTulkas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 01:24 Forikorder wrote:On December 22 2013 00:42 BlackPaladin wrote:On December 19 2013 20:08 Mataza wrote:
While Tsukoyomi and Amaterasu each use a different eye(left and right, accordingly) Susanoo has been shown to be used with both eyes of the Mangekyou Sharingan. Also both eyes bleeding, as was customary earlier in the manga.
So no, I don't buy it in the least that Susanoo is a no eyes technique. While I normally find Forikorder to be wrong, when Itachi and Sasuke used Susanoo earlier and their eyes bled, they had regular mangekyou sharingans. Sasuke with his new EMS, and Madara who has EMS both have yet to have their eyes bleed when using Susanoo. I think it's just one of the abilities of the EMS, allowing you to "forever see the light" and whatnot. The bleeding I think represents actual damage caused to your eyes from the strain of using the jutsu, but with EMS that strain doesn't happen, so you don't lose your eyesight anymore. Just a theory, really. Granted a lot of crap Kishi has come out with recently has just gone against a lot of his previously done things. Even power levels of characters are just ridiculous at this point. But regardless, using Susanoo without eyes I doubt is that big of a deal. If we want to take Kishi seriously, probably the eyes unlock the ability to use Susanoo as long as you have Uchiha blood. So even if you don't have the eyes, your blood will allow you to activate Susanoo since the sharingan is inherently a blood-line trait. just re-read the danzo fight which is the biggest case of someone without EMS using the Susano'o a ton and the only eye that bled was the one that cast Amaterasu, same with Itachi i just cant find any reason to believe Susano'o needs eyes Besides the Obito quote I mentioned before, we also have the one mentioned here from Itachi, saying that Susanoo was "the third and final technique ... that awoke within these eyes." Now you can make up whatever explanation YOU want for this, but it's clearly a reason to believe that Susanoo is an eye technique, and that Kishi screwed up this time. + Show Spoiler +Off topic: I find it weird that you always say Oda is wrong, but you are arguing here that Kishi is right. I think you just like to go against the common wisdom because you like to be contrarian.
ive never said Oda is wrong, both him and Kishi are good writers who can keep there story straight, the only story i criticize is bleach
on topic aside from 2 throwaway lines from characters there has never been any reason to actually think that the Susano'o is at all connected to the eyes, if there was the slightest pice of visual evidence like how one eye bleeds when you use amaterasu but theres nothing no glowing or bleeding or change in any way, theres no close up on the eyes at all or any visual que at all to connect susano'o with the eyes, or some line from obito like "your lucky my eyes arent far enough to use the Susano'o" or anything at all that actually connects the Susano'o to the eyes taht would be one thing buts just a physical-ish manifestation of chakra its like thinking that Gaara needs to use his eyes to manipulate sand
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