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Well there is a couple things to remember when we talk about the Rinnegan.
First, Naruto didn't solo Pain. He, with the help of a number of toads, fought 5 Pains minus the Deva path; who was recharging from, you know, destroying Konoha. The second the Deva path's powers returned he immediately dispatched of the toads and incapacitated Naruto. At this point he is essentially defeated until the kyuubi pulls his ass out of the fire, and even then he is still pushed to the edge vs. a single Path being channeled through a corpse.
Then there's Nagato who quickly overpowered both 9 tails chakra mode Naruto and Killer Bee and was about to kill the both of them before Itachi intervened.
In my opinion what makes the Rinnegan so cool is precisely the fact that it's not flashy and has lots of utility. It's go-to jutsu is an invisible manipulation of gravity rather than a death beam of super tailed beast mega chakra, so it's easy to look it over. But immunity to ninjutsu is nothing to scoff at, and shinra tensei essentially means no physical attack is hitting you unless you want it to. Universal pull has tons of tactical possibilities when combined with Obito's Kamui. The Asura path has tons of utility as shown by edo-tensei Nagato, and the summons are also still very powerful. They are essentially immortal animals that can tie up enemies and if nothing else, give you better perception of the battlefield with the vision link. It's like a poor man's Byakugan.
That said, I don't think we'll see much Rinnegan from Obito. It's possible that since he didn't awaken the dojutsu himself, a lot of it's abilities are unavailable or under performing for him. We might see more from Madara though. We just have to remember that these are the eyes of the Sage of the Six Paths, there might still be things we haven't seen. I just hope Kishimoto doesn't forget that during his apparent hard on for BIG FLASHY JUSTSU SPAM.
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On September 07 2013 01:42 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 01:27 BigFan wrote:On September 07 2013 01:00 Forikorder wrote:On September 07 2013 00:50 BigFan wrote:On September 06 2013 23:26 Forikorder wrote:On September 06 2013 13:12 BigFan wrote:On September 06 2013 12:36 Forikorder wrote:On September 06 2013 11:19 BigFan wrote:On September 05 2013 13:39 Forikorder wrote:On September 05 2013 13:06 BigFan wrote:
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nono, I meant my previous comment and your previous response was in regards to the pain arc. You know, the 90% part?
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It's still one of the best dojustu's around. Either way, it doesn't matter if he solo'd 90% of it, he still lost to that 10% which means he dies lol
which doesnt matter in any way shape or form because i was never talking about back then, and Naruto did solo 100% of it the Kuubi is as much his power as him, im just saying that Naruto just having sage mode is enough to make Rinnegan pretty obsolete IMO Sharingan > rinnegan I disagree. I don't think the rinnegan is obsolete at all. Kyuubi might be a part of Naruto but it's still not part of sage mode which is what we were discussing in the first part. Even you said it and I quote: "okay Naruto pretty much 90% solo'd the Rinnegan" so even you agreed that Naruto couldn't solo the Rinnegan(at least during pain arc) on his own. For present time, hard to tell just how well the rinnegan stands up against Naruto but keep in mind that before this current point in time, when he encountered Madara and Nagato, Nagato beat the crap out of him and Killerbee before Itachi interfered. True that Naruto wasn't as powerful as now but there is no way I'm doubting the power of a dojustu as strong as the Rinnegan and I don't think you should too. okay let me try to phrase everything ive said as simply as possible there is absolutely no reason for Obito to use the Rinnegan, because everything the Rinnegan can do is either pointless in the current fight or Obito is already doing only better On September 06 2013 12:01 BigFan wrote:On September 06 2013 11:42 Zane wrote:On September 05 2013 14:23 NovemberstOrm wrote:
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I expect him to do something not sure what though. Steal Dark Kurama with Sharingan and begin to kill people at random? rofl that would be hilarious. It's like Sasuke realized he can't get to Naruto's level until he becomes a jinchuuriki so now he can compete lol sasuke stealing the other half of Kurama actually seems somewhat plausible yes, I know there's no reason for Obito to use Rinnegan because he's already that powerful without it and Naruto is a lot stronger than when he fought Pain so he has a better chance of winning if only the Rinnegan was used which is obviously not going to happen. Having said that, we still don't know 100% how the Rinnegan scales with power. Is it a fixed attack or does the damage increase with power? We saw just how much damage Pain did and he said he doesn't compare to the sage so only speculation that it can be really power, more so than we think. okay lets break down the combat abilities of the Rinnegan theres the one that absorbs Ninjutsu, Obitos too slow to grab any of his opponents so its a purely defensive move, but he ALREADY has an unbreakable shield that negates all ninjutsu so why use Ninjutsu absorbtion when it leaves him open then theres Asura while im sure the missiles would be powerful, they wouldnt instantly disentagrate everything they hit so why use them over his black disenttagration or bijuudama? then theres push pull, he already has an unbreakable shield so theres no point trying to push so all he can do is pull his opponents who can jsut teleport away While I agree, you still have to wonder just how powerful the push/pull since obito a lot stronger than pain. For all we know, he can pull Naruto in an instant then drain him with the absorption like Nagato did back when he fought Naruto and Killer Bee. Not saying there is a point in this if Obito is that powerful now but I still don't think that this combination of jutsu should be dismissed as being in the past. Yes, they can teleport but if he pulls them in an instant, not much time to make teleportation a conscious thought. Anyways, there isn't much more to discuss here lol its highly unlikely that he can pull Naruto faster then the 4th can teleport, and while hes pulling Naruto the 2nd and 4th can counter well I was speculating for that point. Quite possible that the 4th can teleport faster than Obito can pull Naruto, same with the 2nd. Is Obito more proficient at using the rinnegan though? Nagato had it sincr he was a kid and he used it all the time while Obito gained it a lot later and still mainly used the sharingan.
good question, I have no clue how or if he can use any of its abilities. It could be possible he only used it because it can help with getting 360 vision when he has the 6 paths like Pain did but now since they are gone, doesn't work anymore, not that he needs it lol.
On September 07 2013 11:15 erin[go]bragh wrote:
Well there is a couple things to remember when we talk about the Rinnegan.
First, Naruto didn't solo Pain. He, with the help of a number of toads, fought 5 Pains minus the Deva path; who was recharging from, you know, destroying Konoha. The second the Deva path's powers returned he immediately dispatched of the toads and incapacitated Naruto. At this point he is essentially defeated until the kyuubi pulls his ass out of the fire, and even then he is still pushed to the edge vs. a single Path being channeled through a corpse.
Then there's Nagato who quickly overpowered both 9 tails chakra mode Naruto and Killer Bee and was about to kill the both of them before Itachi intervened.
In my opinion what makes the Rinnegan so cool is precisely the fact that it's not flashy and has lots of utility. It's go-to jutsu is an invisible manipulation of gravity rather than a death beam of super tailed beast mega chakra, so it's easy to look it over. But immunity to ninjutsu is nothing to scoff at, and shinra tensei essentially means no physical attack is hitting you unless you want it to. Universal pull has tons of tactical possibilities when combined with Obito's Kamui. The Asura path has tons of utility as shown by edo-tensei Nagato, and the summons are also still very powerful. They are essentially immortal animals that can tie up enemies and if nothing else, give you better perception of the battlefield with the vision link. It's like a poor man's Byakugan.
That said, I don't think we'll see much Rinnegan from Obito. It's possible that since he didn't awaken the dojutsu himself, a lot of it's abilities are unavailable or under performing for him. We might see more from Madara though. We just have to remember that these are the eyes of the Sage of the Six Paths, there might still be things we haven't seen. I just hope Kishimoto doesn't forget that during his apparent hard on for BIG FLASHY JUSTSU SPAM.
this!
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On September 07 2013 05:19 LaughingTulkas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 04:10 Zooper31 wrote:On September 07 2013 02:22 LaughingTulkas wrote:
Remember the days when ninjas could defeat opponents physically stronger than them through cunning, smarts, and a good strategy, and tactics without needing power-ups to simply overpower the opponent?
Yeah, those were good times. Then don't read shounen? It's the nature of the beast. I just meant all of Naruto pre-time skip. Those were good times. (I don't have a problem with the shounen style so much as the clear departure in style from Naruto pre/post-time skip. It's clearly spiralled out of control. Besides, One Piece and HxH don't have ninjas so I can still stand by my quote without hypocrisy :D)
HxH doesnt have ninjas? what?
you do mean hunter X hunter right?
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So we finally got the sage's name, yay!
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Good chapiter with lot of new stuff about the story.
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this chapter is so Plant vs Zombies
except that the plant turns people into zombie
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Sasuke's time to shine now (assuming he doesn't maliciously capitalize on Naruto's lack of chakra)??
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Soooo... There is a really angry tree that wants to suck all his chakra back from the Ninjas. Seems totally legit.
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Ah haha, the plot is sort of hilarious, but I feel bad about it.
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Best part about this chapter? After all the information it dumped onto us, it also told us what (and who) is going to go chop some trees.
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Rock Lee and Gai, going to Taijutsu + 8 Gates the tree into little itty-bitty splinters. You don't need chakra when you literally move so fast your generate fire from the friction of your body moving.
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the plot is not that different from our own bible, similar concept. yeah, i guess it is hilarious, but still works since it seems our plot works for most people lol
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K LOL kishi pulled some random folk story out of his ass just to explain a fucking tree
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On September 10 2013 19:56 Lokian wrote:
the plot is not that different from our own bible, similar concept. yeah, i guess it is hilarious, but still works since it seems our plot works for most people lol
Yah but in the first chapters of Naruto, it explained the Shinobi World was hidden in a modern world kinda like ours (that's why they use some technical devices during some missions), but no one except shinobis - that weren't even shinobis at the time - were able to see that tree. I guess this manga is full medieval now.
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cool chapter. where are the kages and orochimaru?
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On September 07 2013 11:15 erin[go]bragh wrote:
Well there is a couple things to remember when we talk about the Rinnegan.
First, Naruto didn't solo Pain. He, with the help of a number of toads, fought 5 Pains minus the Deva path; who was recharging from, you know, destroying Konoha. The second the Deva path's powers returned he immediately dispatched of the toads and incapacitated Naruto. At this point he is essentially defeated until the kyuubi pulls his ass out of the fire, and even then he is still pushed to the edge vs. a single Path being channeled through a corpse.
Then there's Nagato who quickly overpowered both 9 tails chakra mode Naruto and Killer Bee and was about to kill the both of them before Itachi intervened.
In my opinion what makes the Rinnegan so cool is precisely the fact that it's not flashy and has lots of utility. It's go-to jutsu is an invisible manipulation of gravity rather than a death beam of super tailed beast mega chakra, so it's easy to look it over. But immunity to ninjutsu is nothing to scoff at, and shinra tensei essentially means no physical attack is hitting you unless you want it to. Universal pull has tons of tactical possibilities when combined with Obito's Kamui. The Asura path has tons of utility as shown by edo-tensei Nagato, and the summons are also still very powerful. They are essentially immortal animals that can tie up enemies and if nothing else, give you better perception of the battlefield with the vision link. It's like a poor man's Byakugan.
That said, I don't think we'll see much Rinnegan from Obito. It's possible that since he didn't awaken the dojutsu himself, a lot of it's abilities are unavailable or under performing for him. We might see more from Madara though. We just have to remember that these are the eyes of the Sage of the Six Paths, there might still be things we haven't seen. I just hope Kishimoto doesn't forget that during his apparent hard on for BIG FLASHY JUSTSU SPAM.
Great post. First respectable interpretation/opinion piece I've seen in a long time in this thread.
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On September 10 2013 19:40 Kinie wrote:Best part about this chapter? After all the information it dumped onto us, it also told us what (and who) is going to go chop some trees. + Show Spoiler +
Rock Lee and Gai, going to Taijutsu + 8 Gates the tree into little itty-bitty splinters. You don't need chakra when you literally move so fast your generate fire from the friction of your body moving.
Only Gai would do 8 gates, Lee would probably get up to 7 for the first time in his life because of the will of fire and because his sensei is going to die, then Gai will tell Lee to not push further because he is the next generation and must carry on the will of fire and the teaching of Gai.
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On September 10 2013 22:53 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 11:15 erin[go]bragh wrote:
Well there is a couple things to remember when we talk about the Rinnegan.
First, Naruto didn't solo Pain. He, with the help of a number of toads, fought 5 Pains minus the Deva path; who was recharging from, you know, destroying Konoha. The second the Deva path's powers returned he immediately dispatched of the toads and incapacitated Naruto. At this point he is essentially defeated until the kyuubi pulls his ass out of the fire, and even then he is still pushed to the edge vs. a single Path being channeled through a corpse.
Then there's Nagato who quickly overpowered both 9 tails chakra mode Naruto and Killer Bee and was about to kill the both of them before Itachi intervened.
In my opinion what makes the Rinnegan so cool is precisely the fact that it's not flashy and has lots of utility. It's go-to jutsu is an invisible manipulation of gravity rather than a death beam of super tailed beast mega chakra, so it's easy to look it over. But immunity to ninjutsu is nothing to scoff at, and shinra tensei essentially means no physical attack is hitting you unless you want it to. Universal pull has tons of tactical possibilities when combined with Obito's Kamui. The Asura path has tons of utility as shown by edo-tensei Nagato, and the summons are also still very powerful. They are essentially immortal animals that can tie up enemies and if nothing else, give you better perception of the battlefield with the vision link. It's like a poor man's Byakugan.
That said, I don't think we'll see much Rinnegan from Obito. It's possible that since he didn't awaken the dojutsu himself, a lot of it's abilities are unavailable or under performing for him. We might see more from Madara though. We just have to remember that these are the eyes of the Sage of the Six Paths, there might still be things we haven't seen. I just hope Kishimoto doesn't forget that during his apparent hard on for BIG FLASHY JUSTSU SPAM. Great post. First respectable interpretation/opinion piece I've seen in a long time in this thread.
I really liked Nagato's way of fighting aswell... I sometimes wish the manga wouldve just ended with him being the endboss honestly.
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On September 10 2013 23:04 []Phase[] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 22:53 Jealous wrote:On September 07 2013 11:15 erin[go]bragh wrote:
Well there is a couple things to remember when we talk about the Rinnegan.
First, Naruto didn't solo Pain. He, with the help of a number of toads, fought 5 Pains minus the Deva path; who was recharging from, you know, destroying Konoha. The second the Deva path's powers returned he immediately dispatched of the toads and incapacitated Naruto. At this point he is essentially defeated until the kyuubi pulls his ass out of the fire, and even then he is still pushed to the edge vs. a single Path being channeled through a corpse.
Then there's Nagato who quickly overpowered both 9 tails chakra mode Naruto and Killer Bee and was about to kill the both of them before Itachi intervened.
In my opinion what makes the Rinnegan so cool is precisely the fact that it's not flashy and has lots of utility. It's go-to jutsu is an invisible manipulation of gravity rather than a death beam of super tailed beast mega chakra, so it's easy to look it over. But immunity to ninjutsu is nothing to scoff at, and shinra tensei essentially means no physical attack is hitting you unless you want it to. Universal pull has tons of tactical possibilities when combined with Obito's Kamui. The Asura path has tons of utility as shown by edo-tensei Nagato, and the summons are also still very powerful. They are essentially immortal animals that can tie up enemies and if nothing else, give you better perception of the battlefield with the vision link. It's like a poor man's Byakugan.
That said, I don't think we'll see much Rinnegan from Obito. It's possible that since he didn't awaken the dojutsu himself, a lot of it's abilities are unavailable or under performing for him. We might see more from Madara though. We just have to remember that these are the eyes of the Sage of the Six Paths, there might still be things we haven't seen. I just hope Kishimoto doesn't forget that during his apparent hard on for BIG FLASHY JUSTSU SPAM. Great post. First respectable interpretation/opinion piece I've seen in a long time in this thread. I really liked Nagato's way of fighting aswell... I sometimes wish the manga wouldve just ended with him being the endboss honestly.
There wasn't an appropriate moment for the Sasuke vs. Naruto battle before that. It would have been convenient to kill off Hinata to clear the path for SakuNaru.
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the last page with the moon and god tree kinda reminds me of end of evangelion.
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