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On September 06 2013 13:12 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 12:36 Forikorder wrote:On September 06 2013 11:19 BigFan wrote:On September 05 2013 13:39 Forikorder wrote:On September 05 2013 13:06 BigFan wrote:On September 05 2013 13:00 Forikorder wrote:On September 05 2013 12:58 BigFan wrote:On September 05 2013 12:38 Forikorder wrote:It's still one of the best dojustu's around. Either way, it doesn't matter if he solo'd 90% of it, he still lost to that 10% which means he dies lol your ignoring his massive power up since the Rinnegans tech wouldnt work against him now we are still talking during the pain arc. I'm only considering sage mode at that point which means that Naruto would've died if it wasn't for plot no justu(got mad, Kyuubi saved his butt lol). Right now though, I think it'll be easier to defeat someone like Pain. we were never talking about the pain arc, i was saying "obito isnt using the Rinnegan because its next to useless at this point in time" nono, I meant my previous comment and your previous response was in regards to the pain arc. You know, the 90% part? This: On September 05 2013 09:10 Forikorder wrote:you realize that had it not been for the kyuubi going berserk after he thought Hinata died, he would've died since Pain had him pinned down and no one was able to help him so technically he didn't win if it wasn't for the kyuubi. okay Naruto pretty much 90% solo'd the Rinnegan in his current form, 4/6ths of the Rinnegan specials would be completely useless the Rinnegan is flashy but it has too many utility moves It's still one of the best dojustu's around. Either way, it doesn't matter if he solo'd 90% of it, he still lost to that 10% which means he dies lol which doesnt matter in any way shape or form because i was never talking about back then, and Naruto did solo 100% of it the Kuubi is as much his power as him, im just saying that Naruto just having sage mode is enough to make Rinnegan pretty obsolete IMO Sharingan > rinnegan I disagree. I don't think the rinnegan is obsolete at all. Kyuubi might be a part of Naruto but it's still not part of sage mode which is what we were discussing in the first part. Even you said it and I quote: "okay Naruto pretty much 90% solo'd the Rinnegan" so even you agreed that Naruto couldn't solo the Rinnegan(at least during pain arc) on his own. For present time, hard to tell just how well the rinnegan stands up against Naruto but keep in mind that before this current point in time, when he encountered Madara and Nagato, Nagato beat the crap out of him and Killerbee before Itachi interfered. True that Naruto wasn't as powerful as now but there is no way I'm doubting the power of a dojustu as strong as the Rinnegan and I don't think you should too. okay let me try to phrase everything ive said as simply as possible there is absolutely no reason for Obito to use the Rinnegan, because everything the Rinnegan can do is either pointless in the current fight or Obito is already doing only better On September 06 2013 12:01 BigFan wrote:On September 06 2013 11:42 Zane wrote:On September 05 2013 14:23 NovemberstOrm wrote:On September 05 2013 11:53 travis wrote:
sasuke just isn't doing anything.. doesn't mean he aint gonna bust out some crazy shit in a little bit here I expect him to do something not sure what though. Steal Dark Kurama with Sharingan and begin to kill people at random? rofl that would be hilarious. It's like Sasuke realized he can't get to Naruto's level until he becomes a jinchuuriki so now he can compete lol sasuke stealing the other half of Kurama actually seems somewhat plausible yes, I know there's no reason for Obito to use Rinnegan because he's already that powerful without it and Naruto is a lot stronger than when he fought Pain so he has a better chance of winning if only the Rinnegan was used which is obviously not going to happen. Having said that, we still don't know 100% how the Rinnegan scales with power. Is it a fixed attack or does the damage increase with power? We saw just how much damage Pain did and he said he doesn't compare to the sage so only speculation that it can be really power, more so than we think.
okay lets break down the combat abilities of the Rinnegan
theres the one that absorbs Ninjutsu, Obitos too slow to grab any of his opponents so its a purely defensive move, but he ALREADY has an unbreakable shield that negates all ninjutsu so why use Ninjutsu absorbtion when it leaves him open
then theres Asura while im sure the missiles would be powerful, they wouldnt instantly disentagrate everything they hit so why use them over his black disenttagration or bijuudama?
then theres push pull, he already has an unbreakable shield so theres no point trying to push so all he can do is pull his opponents who can jsut teleport away
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On September 06 2013 23:26 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 13:12 BigFan wrote:On September 06 2013 12:36 Forikorder wrote:On September 06 2013 11:19 BigFan wrote:On September 05 2013 13:39 Forikorder wrote:On September 05 2013 13:06 BigFan wrote:On September 05 2013 13:00 Forikorder wrote:On September 05 2013 12:58 BigFan wrote:On September 05 2013 12:38 Forikorder wrote:It's still one of the best dojustu's around. Either way, it doesn't matter if he solo'd 90% of it, he still lost to that 10% which means he dies lol your ignoring his massive power up since the Rinnegans tech wouldnt work against him now we are still talking during the pain arc. I'm only considering sage mode at that point which means that Naruto would've died if it wasn't for plot no justu(got mad, Kyuubi saved his butt lol). Right now though, I think it'll be easier to defeat someone like Pain. we were never talking about the pain arc, i was saying "obito isnt using the Rinnegan because its next to useless at this point in time" nono, I meant my previous comment and your previous response was in regards to the pain arc. You know, the 90% part? This: On September 05 2013 09:10 Forikorder wrote:you realize that had it not been for the kyuubi going berserk after he thought Hinata died, he would've died since Pain had him pinned down and no one was able to help him so technically he didn't win if it wasn't for the kyuubi. okay Naruto pretty much 90% solo'd the Rinnegan in his current form, 4/6ths of the Rinnegan specials would be completely useless the Rinnegan is flashy but it has too many utility moves It's still one of the best dojustu's around. Either way, it doesn't matter if he solo'd 90% of it, he still lost to that 10% which means he dies lol which doesnt matter in any way shape or form because i was never talking about back then, and Naruto did solo 100% of it the Kuubi is as much his power as him, im just saying that Naruto just having sage mode is enough to make Rinnegan pretty obsolete IMO Sharingan > rinnegan I disagree. I don't think the rinnegan is obsolete at all. Kyuubi might be a part of Naruto but it's still not part of sage mode which is what we were discussing in the first part. Even you said it and I quote: "okay Naruto pretty much 90% solo'd the Rinnegan" so even you agreed that Naruto couldn't solo the Rinnegan(at least during pain arc) on his own. For present time, hard to tell just how well the rinnegan stands up against Naruto but keep in mind that before this current point in time, when he encountered Madara and Nagato, Nagato beat the crap out of him and Killerbee before Itachi interfered. True that Naruto wasn't as powerful as now but there is no way I'm doubting the power of a dojustu as strong as the Rinnegan and I don't think you should too. okay let me try to phrase everything ive said as simply as possible there is absolutely no reason for Obito to use the Rinnegan, because everything the Rinnegan can do is either pointless in the current fight or Obito is already doing only better On September 06 2013 12:01 BigFan wrote:On September 06 2013 11:42 Zane wrote:On September 05 2013 14:23 NovemberstOrm wrote:On September 05 2013 11:53 travis wrote:
sasuke just isn't doing anything.. doesn't mean he aint gonna bust out some crazy shit in a little bit here I expect him to do something not sure what though. Steal Dark Kurama with Sharingan and begin to kill people at random? rofl that would be hilarious. It's like Sasuke realized he can't get to Naruto's level until he becomes a jinchuuriki so now he can compete lol sasuke stealing the other half of Kurama actually seems somewhat plausible yes, I know there's no reason for Obito to use Rinnegan because he's already that powerful without it and Naruto is a lot stronger than when he fought Pain so he has a better chance of winning if only the Rinnegan was used which is obviously not going to happen. Having said that, we still don't know 100% how the Rinnegan scales with power. Is it a fixed attack or does the damage increase with power? We saw just how much damage Pain did and he said he doesn't compare to the sage so only speculation that it can be really power, more so than we think. okay lets break down the combat abilities of the Rinnegan theres the one that absorbs Ninjutsu, Obitos too slow to grab any of his opponents so its a purely defensive move, but he ALREADY has an unbreakable shield that negates all ninjutsu so why use Ninjutsu absorbtion when it leaves him open then theres Asura while im sure the missiles would be powerful, they wouldnt instantly disentagrate everything they hit so why use them over his black disenttagration or bijuudama? then theres push pull, he already has an unbreakable shield so theres no point trying to push so all he can do is pull his opponents who can jsut teleport away
Obito ain't slow, he ripped apart the first and third(?) without them even realising.
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On September 06 2013 23:31 shark. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 23:26 Forikorder wrote:On September 06 2013 13:12 BigFan wrote:On September 06 2013 12:36 Forikorder wrote:On September 06 2013 11:19 BigFan wrote:On September 05 2013 13:39 Forikorder wrote:On September 05 2013 13:06 BigFan wrote:On September 05 2013 13:00 Forikorder wrote:On September 05 2013 12:58 BigFan wrote:On September 05 2013 12:38 Forikorder wrote:
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your ignoring his massive power up since the Rinnegans tech wouldnt work against him now we are still talking during the pain arc. I'm only considering sage mode at that point which means that Naruto would've died if it wasn't for plot no justu(got mad, Kyuubi saved his butt lol). Right now though, I think it'll be easier to defeat someone like Pain. we were never talking about the pain arc, i was saying "obito isnt using the Rinnegan because its next to useless at this point in time" nono, I meant my previous comment and your previous response was in regards to the pain arc. You know, the 90% part? This: On September 05 2013 09:10 Forikorder wrote:you realize that had it not been for the kyuubi going berserk after he thought Hinata died, he would've died since Pain had him pinned down and no one was able to help him so technically he didn't win if it wasn't for the kyuubi. okay Naruto pretty much 90% solo'd the Rinnegan in his current form, 4/6ths of the Rinnegan specials would be completely useless the Rinnegan is flashy but it has too many utility moves It's still one of the best dojustu's around. Either way, it doesn't matter if he solo'd 90% of it, he still lost to that 10% which means he dies lol which doesnt matter in any way shape or form because i was never talking about back then, and Naruto did solo 100% of it the Kuubi is as much his power as him, im just saying that Naruto just having sage mode is enough to make Rinnegan pretty obsolete IMO Sharingan > rinnegan I disagree. I don't think the rinnegan is obsolete at all. Kyuubi might be a part of Naruto but it's still not part of sage mode which is what we were discussing in the first part. Even you said it and I quote: "okay Naruto pretty much 90% solo'd the Rinnegan" so even you agreed that Naruto couldn't solo the Rinnegan(at least during pain arc) on his own. For present time, hard to tell just how well the rinnegan stands up against Naruto but keep in mind that before this current point in time, when he encountered Madara and Nagato, Nagato beat the crap out of him and Killerbee before Itachi interfered. True that Naruto wasn't as powerful as now but there is no way I'm doubting the power of a dojustu as strong as the Rinnegan and I don't think you should too. okay let me try to phrase everything ive said as simply as possible there is absolutely no reason for Obito to use the Rinnegan, because everything the Rinnegan can do is either pointless in the current fight or Obito is already doing only better On September 06 2013 12:01 BigFan wrote:On September 06 2013 11:42 Zane wrote:On September 05 2013 14:23 NovemberstOrm wrote:On September 05 2013 11:53 travis wrote:
sasuke just isn't doing anything.. doesn't mean he aint gonna bust out some crazy shit in a little bit here I expect him to do something not sure what though. Steal Dark Kurama with Sharingan and begin to kill people at random? rofl that would be hilarious. It's like Sasuke realized he can't get to Naruto's level until he becomes a jinchuuriki so now he can compete lol sasuke stealing the other half of Kurama actually seems somewhat plausible yes, I know there's no reason for Obito to use Rinnegan because he's already that powerful without it and Naruto is a lot stronger than when he fought Pain so he has a better chance of winning if only the Rinnegan was used which is obviously not going to happen. Having said that, we still don't know 100% how the Rinnegan scales with power. Is it a fixed attack or does the damage increase with power? We saw just how much damage Pain did and he said he doesn't compare to the sage so only speculation that it can be really power, more so than we think. okay lets break down the combat abilities of the Rinnegan theres the one that absorbs Ninjutsu, Obitos too slow to grab any of his opponents so its a purely defensive move, but he ALREADY has an unbreakable shield that negates all ninjutsu so why use Ninjutsu absorbtion when it leaves him open then theres Asura while im sure the missiles would be powerful, they wouldnt instantly disentagrate everything they hit so why use them over his black disenttagration or bijuudama? then theres push pull, he already has an unbreakable shield so theres no point trying to push so all he can do is pull his opponents who can jsut teleport away Obito ain't slow, he ripped apart the first and third(?) without them even realising.
the first substituted with a wood clone and the second took the hit to use the exploding tage technique
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I kinda agree with Forikorder on this one.
The Rinnegan is probably the least useful ability Obito actually have. Maybe we haven't seen every possibilities of that eye yet, but atm it seems more cosmetic than useful.
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On September 06 2013 23:26 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 13:12 BigFan wrote:On September 06 2013 12:36 Forikorder wrote:On September 06 2013 11:19 BigFan wrote:On September 05 2013 13:39 Forikorder wrote:On September 05 2013 13:06 BigFan wrote:On September 05 2013 13:00 Forikorder wrote:On September 05 2013 12:58 BigFan wrote:On September 05 2013 12:38 Forikorder wrote:It's still one of the best dojustu's around. Either way, it doesn't matter if he solo'd 90% of it, he still lost to that 10% which means he dies lol your ignoring his massive power up since the Rinnegans tech wouldnt work against him now we are still talking during the pain arc. I'm only considering sage mode at that point which means that Naruto would've died if it wasn't for plot no justu(got mad, Kyuubi saved his butt lol). Right now though, I think it'll be easier to defeat someone like Pain. we were never talking about the pain arc, i was saying "obito isnt using the Rinnegan because its next to useless at this point in time" nono, I meant my previous comment and your previous response was in regards to the pain arc. You know, the 90% part? This: On September 05 2013 09:10 Forikorder wrote:you realize that had it not been for the kyuubi going berserk after he thought Hinata died, he would've died since Pain had him pinned down and no one was able to help him so technically he didn't win if it wasn't for the kyuubi. okay Naruto pretty much 90% solo'd the Rinnegan in his current form, 4/6ths of the Rinnegan specials would be completely useless the Rinnegan is flashy but it has too many utility moves It's still one of the best dojustu's around. Either way, it doesn't matter if he solo'd 90% of it, he still lost to that 10% which means he dies lol which doesnt matter in any way shape or form because i was never talking about back then, and Naruto did solo 100% of it the Kuubi is as much his power as him, im just saying that Naruto just having sage mode is enough to make Rinnegan pretty obsolete IMO Sharingan > rinnegan I disagree. I don't think the rinnegan is obsolete at all. Kyuubi might be a part of Naruto but it's still not part of sage mode which is what we were discussing in the first part. Even you said it and I quote: "okay Naruto pretty much 90% solo'd the Rinnegan" so even you agreed that Naruto couldn't solo the Rinnegan(at least during pain arc) on his own. For present time, hard to tell just how well the rinnegan stands up against Naruto but keep in mind that before this current point in time, when he encountered Madara and Nagato, Nagato beat the crap out of him and Killerbee before Itachi interfered. True that Naruto wasn't as powerful as now but there is no way I'm doubting the power of a dojustu as strong as the Rinnegan and I don't think you should too. okay let me try to phrase everything ive said as simply as possible there is absolutely no reason for Obito to use the Rinnegan, because everything the Rinnegan can do is either pointless in the current fight or Obito is already doing only better On September 06 2013 12:01 BigFan wrote:On September 06 2013 11:42 Zane wrote:On September 05 2013 14:23 NovemberstOrm wrote:On September 05 2013 11:53 travis wrote:
sasuke just isn't doing anything.. doesn't mean he aint gonna bust out some crazy shit in a little bit here I expect him to do something not sure what though. Steal Dark Kurama with Sharingan and begin to kill people at random? rofl that would be hilarious. It's like Sasuke realized he can't get to Naruto's level until he becomes a jinchuuriki so now he can compete lol sasuke stealing the other half of Kurama actually seems somewhat plausible yes, I know there's no reason for Obito to use Rinnegan because he's already that powerful without it and Naruto is a lot stronger than when he fought Pain so he has a better chance of winning if only the Rinnegan was used which is obviously not going to happen. Having said that, we still don't know 100% how the Rinnegan scales with power. Is it a fixed attack or does the damage increase with power? We saw just how much damage Pain did and he said he doesn't compare to the sage so only speculation that it can be really power, more so than we think. okay lets break down the combat abilities of the Rinnegan theres the one that absorbs Ninjutsu, Obitos too slow to grab any of his opponents so its a purely defensive move, but he ALREADY has an unbreakable shield that negates all ninjutsu so why use Ninjutsu absorbtion when it leaves him open then theres Asura while im sure the missiles would be powerful, they wouldnt instantly disentagrate everything they hit so why use them over his black disenttagration or bijuudama? then theres push pull, he already has an unbreakable shield so theres no point trying to push so all he can do is pull his opponents who can jsut teleport away
While I agree, you still have to wonder just how powerful the push/pull since obito a lot stronger than pain. For all we know, he can pull Naruto in an instant then drain him with the absorption like Nagato did back when he fought Naruto and Killer Bee. Not saying there is a point in this if Obito is that powerful now but I still don't think that this combination of jutsu should be dismissed as being in the past. Yes, they can teleport but if he pulls them in an instant, not much time to make teleportation a conscious thought. Anyways, there isn't much more to discuss here lol
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Doesn't he need the rinnegan to use the six paths techniques? It's kind of useful to have 6 dead bodies of jinchuriki you can reanimate and toss bijuus into.
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On September 07 2013 00:50 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 23:26 Forikorder wrote:On September 06 2013 13:12 BigFan wrote:On September 06 2013 12:36 Forikorder wrote:On September 06 2013 11:19 BigFan wrote:On September 05 2013 13:39 Forikorder wrote:On September 05 2013 13:06 BigFan wrote:On September 05 2013 13:00 Forikorder wrote:On September 05 2013 12:58 BigFan wrote:On September 05 2013 12:38 Forikorder wrote:
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your ignoring his massive power up since the Rinnegans tech wouldnt work against him now we are still talking during the pain arc. I'm only considering sage mode at that point which means that Naruto would've died if it wasn't for plot no justu(got mad, Kyuubi saved his butt lol). Right now though, I think it'll be easier to defeat someone like Pain. we were never talking about the pain arc, i was saying "obito isnt using the Rinnegan because its next to useless at this point in time" nono, I meant my previous comment and your previous response was in regards to the pain arc. You know, the 90% part? This: On September 05 2013 09:10 Forikorder wrote:you realize that had it not been for the kyuubi going berserk after he thought Hinata died, he would've died since Pain had him pinned down and no one was able to help him so technically he didn't win if it wasn't for the kyuubi. okay Naruto pretty much 90% solo'd the Rinnegan in his current form, 4/6ths of the Rinnegan specials would be completely useless the Rinnegan is flashy but it has too many utility moves It's still one of the best dojustu's around. Either way, it doesn't matter if he solo'd 90% of it, he still lost to that 10% which means he dies lol which doesnt matter in any way shape or form because i was never talking about back then, and Naruto did solo 100% of it the Kuubi is as much his power as him, im just saying that Naruto just having sage mode is enough to make Rinnegan pretty obsolete IMO Sharingan > rinnegan I disagree. I don't think the rinnegan is obsolete at all. Kyuubi might be a part of Naruto but it's still not part of sage mode which is what we were discussing in the first part. Even you said it and I quote: "okay Naruto pretty much 90% solo'd the Rinnegan" so even you agreed that Naruto couldn't solo the Rinnegan(at least during pain arc) on his own. For present time, hard to tell just how well the rinnegan stands up against Naruto but keep in mind that before this current point in time, when he encountered Madara and Nagato, Nagato beat the crap out of him and Killerbee before Itachi interfered. True that Naruto wasn't as powerful as now but there is no way I'm doubting the power of a dojustu as strong as the Rinnegan and I don't think you should too. okay let me try to phrase everything ive said as simply as possible there is absolutely no reason for Obito to use the Rinnegan, because everything the Rinnegan can do is either pointless in the current fight or Obito is already doing only better On September 06 2013 12:01 BigFan wrote:On September 06 2013 11:42 Zane wrote:On September 05 2013 14:23 NovemberstOrm wrote:On September 05 2013 11:53 travis wrote:
sasuke just isn't doing anything.. doesn't mean he aint gonna bust out some crazy shit in a little bit here I expect him to do something not sure what though. Steal Dark Kurama with Sharingan and begin to kill people at random? rofl that would be hilarious. It's like Sasuke realized he can't get to Naruto's level until he becomes a jinchuuriki so now he can compete lol sasuke stealing the other half of Kurama actually seems somewhat plausible yes, I know there's no reason for Obito to use Rinnegan because he's already that powerful without it and Naruto is a lot stronger than when he fought Pain so he has a better chance of winning if only the Rinnegan was used which is obviously not going to happen. Having said that, we still don't know 100% how the Rinnegan scales with power. Is it a fixed attack or does the damage increase with power? We saw just how much damage Pain did and he said he doesn't compare to the sage so only speculation that it can be really power, more so than we think. okay lets break down the combat abilities of the Rinnegan theres the one that absorbs Ninjutsu, Obitos too slow to grab any of his opponents so its a purely defensive move, but he ALREADY has an unbreakable shield that negates all ninjutsu so why use Ninjutsu absorbtion when it leaves him open then theres Asura while im sure the missiles would be powerful, they wouldnt instantly disentagrate everything they hit so why use them over his black disenttagration or bijuudama? then theres push pull, he already has an unbreakable shield so theres no point trying to push so all he can do is pull his opponents who can jsut teleport away While I agree, you still have to wonder just how powerful the push/pull since obito a lot stronger than pain. For all we know, he can pull Naruto in an instant then drain him with the absorption like Nagato did back when he fought Naruto and Killer Bee. Not saying there is a point in this if Obito is that powerful now but I still don't think that this combination of jutsu should be dismissed as being in the past. Yes, they can teleport but if he pulls them in an instant, not much time to make teleportation a conscious thought. Anyways, there isn't much more to discuss here lol
its highly unlikely that he can pull Naruto faster then the 4th can teleport, and while hes pulling Naruto the 2nd and 4th can counter
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On September 07 2013 01:00 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 00:50 BigFan wrote:On September 06 2013 23:26 Forikorder wrote:On September 06 2013 13:12 BigFan wrote:On September 06 2013 12:36 Forikorder wrote:On September 06 2013 11:19 BigFan wrote:On September 05 2013 13:39 Forikorder wrote:On September 05 2013 13:06 BigFan wrote:On September 05 2013 13:00 Forikorder wrote:On September 05 2013 12:58 BigFan wrote:
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we are still talking during the pain arc. I'm only considering sage mode at that point which means that Naruto would've died if it wasn't for plot no justu(got mad, Kyuubi saved his butt lol). Right now though, I think it'll be easier to defeat someone like Pain. we were never talking about the pain arc, i was saying "obito isnt using the Rinnegan because its next to useless at this point in time" nono, I meant my previous comment and your previous response was in regards to the pain arc. You know, the 90% part? This: On September 05 2013 09:10 Forikorder wrote:you realize that had it not been for the kyuubi going berserk after he thought Hinata died, he would've died since Pain had him pinned down and no one was able to help him so technically he didn't win if it wasn't for the kyuubi. okay Naruto pretty much 90% solo'd the Rinnegan in his current form, 4/6ths of the Rinnegan specials would be completely useless the Rinnegan is flashy but it has too many utility moves It's still one of the best dojustu's around. Either way, it doesn't matter if he solo'd 90% of it, he still lost to that 10% which means he dies lol which doesnt matter in any way shape or form because i was never talking about back then, and Naruto did solo 100% of it the Kuubi is as much his power as him, im just saying that Naruto just having sage mode is enough to make Rinnegan pretty obsolete IMO Sharingan > rinnegan I disagree. I don't think the rinnegan is obsolete at all. Kyuubi might be a part of Naruto but it's still not part of sage mode which is what we were discussing in the first part. Even you said it and I quote: "okay Naruto pretty much 90% solo'd the Rinnegan" so even you agreed that Naruto couldn't solo the Rinnegan(at least during pain arc) on his own. For present time, hard to tell just how well the rinnegan stands up against Naruto but keep in mind that before this current point in time, when he encountered Madara and Nagato, Nagato beat the crap out of him and Killerbee before Itachi interfered. True that Naruto wasn't as powerful as now but there is no way I'm doubting the power of a dojustu as strong as the Rinnegan and I don't think you should too. okay let me try to phrase everything ive said as simply as possible there is absolutely no reason for Obito to use the Rinnegan, because everything the Rinnegan can do is either pointless in the current fight or Obito is already doing only better On September 06 2013 12:01 BigFan wrote:On September 06 2013 11:42 Zane wrote:On September 05 2013 14:23 NovemberstOrm wrote:On September 05 2013 11:53 travis wrote:
sasuke just isn't doing anything.. doesn't mean he aint gonna bust out some crazy shit in a little bit here I expect him to do something not sure what though. Steal Dark Kurama with Sharingan and begin to kill people at random? rofl that would be hilarious. It's like Sasuke realized he can't get to Naruto's level until he becomes a jinchuuriki so now he can compete lol sasuke stealing the other half of Kurama actually seems somewhat plausible yes, I know there's no reason for Obito to use Rinnegan because he's already that powerful without it and Naruto is a lot stronger than when he fought Pain so he has a better chance of winning if only the Rinnegan was used which is obviously not going to happen. Having said that, we still don't know 100% how the Rinnegan scales with power. Is it a fixed attack or does the damage increase with power? We saw just how much damage Pain did and he said he doesn't compare to the sage so only speculation that it can be really power, more so than we think. okay lets break down the combat abilities of the Rinnegan theres the one that absorbs Ninjutsu, Obitos too slow to grab any of his opponents so its a purely defensive move, but he ALREADY has an unbreakable shield that negates all ninjutsu so why use Ninjutsu absorbtion when it leaves him open then theres Asura while im sure the missiles would be powerful, they wouldnt instantly disentagrate everything they hit so why use them over his black disenttagration or bijuudama? then theres push pull, he already has an unbreakable shield so theres no point trying to push so all he can do is pull his opponents who can jsut teleport away While I agree, you still have to wonder just how powerful the push/pull since obito a lot stronger than pain. For all we know, he can pull Naruto in an instant then drain him with the absorption like Nagato did back when he fought Naruto and Killer Bee. Not saying there is a point in this if Obito is that powerful now but I still don't think that this combination of jutsu should be dismissed as being in the past. Yes, they can teleport but if he pulls them in an instant, not much time to make teleportation a conscious thought. Anyways, there isn't much more to discuss here lol its highly unlikely that he can pull Naruto faster then the 4th can teleport, and while hes pulling Naruto the 2nd and 4th can counter
well I was speculating for that point. Quite possible that the 4th can teleport faster than Obito can pull Naruto, same with the 2nd.
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On September 07 2013 01:27 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 01:00 Forikorder wrote:On September 07 2013 00:50 BigFan wrote:On September 06 2013 23:26 Forikorder wrote:On September 06 2013 13:12 BigFan wrote:On September 06 2013 12:36 Forikorder wrote:On September 06 2013 11:19 BigFan wrote:On September 05 2013 13:39 Forikorder wrote:On September 05 2013 13:06 BigFan wrote:On September 05 2013 13:00 Forikorder wrote:
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we were never talking about the pain arc, i was saying "obito isnt using the Rinnegan because its next to useless at this point in time" nono, I meant my previous comment and your previous response was in regards to the pain arc. You know, the 90% part? This: On September 05 2013 09:10 Forikorder wrote:
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okay Naruto pretty much 90% solo'd the Rinnegan
in his current form, 4/6ths of the Rinnegan specials would be completely useless
the Rinnegan is flashy but it has too many utility moves It's still one of the best dojustu's around. Either way, it doesn't matter if he solo'd 90% of it, he still lost to that 10% which means he dies lol which doesnt matter in any way shape or form because i was never talking about back then, and Naruto did solo 100% of it the Kuubi is as much his power as him, im just saying that Naruto just having sage mode is enough to make Rinnegan pretty obsolete IMO Sharingan > rinnegan I disagree. I don't think the rinnegan is obsolete at all. Kyuubi might be a part of Naruto but it's still not part of sage mode which is what we were discussing in the first part. Even you said it and I quote: "okay Naruto pretty much 90% solo'd the Rinnegan" so even you agreed that Naruto couldn't solo the Rinnegan(at least during pain arc) on his own. For present time, hard to tell just how well the rinnegan stands up against Naruto but keep in mind that before this current point in time, when he encountered Madara and Nagato, Nagato beat the crap out of him and Killerbee before Itachi interfered. True that Naruto wasn't as powerful as now but there is no way I'm doubting the power of a dojustu as strong as the Rinnegan and I don't think you should too. okay let me try to phrase everything ive said as simply as possible there is absolutely no reason for Obito to use the Rinnegan, because everything the Rinnegan can do is either pointless in the current fight or Obito is already doing only better On September 06 2013 12:01 BigFan wrote:On September 06 2013 11:42 Zane wrote:On September 05 2013 14:23 NovemberstOrm wrote:On September 05 2013 11:53 travis wrote:
sasuke just isn't doing anything.. doesn't mean he aint gonna bust out some crazy shit in a little bit here I expect him to do something not sure what though. Steal Dark Kurama with Sharingan and begin to kill people at random? rofl that would be hilarious. It's like Sasuke realized he can't get to Naruto's level until he becomes a jinchuuriki so now he can compete lol sasuke stealing the other half of Kurama actually seems somewhat plausible yes, I know there's no reason for Obito to use Rinnegan because he's already that powerful without it and Naruto is a lot stronger than when he fought Pain so he has a better chance of winning if only the Rinnegan was used which is obviously not going to happen. Having said that, we still don't know 100% how the Rinnegan scales with power. Is it a fixed attack or does the damage increase with power? We saw just how much damage Pain did and he said he doesn't compare to the sage so only speculation that it can be really power, more so than we think. okay lets break down the combat abilities of the Rinnegan theres the one that absorbs Ninjutsu, Obitos too slow to grab any of his opponents so its a purely defensive move, but he ALREADY has an unbreakable shield that negates all ninjutsu so why use Ninjutsu absorbtion when it leaves him open then theres Asura while im sure the missiles would be powerful, they wouldnt instantly disentagrate everything they hit so why use them over his black disenttagration or bijuudama? then theres push pull, he already has an unbreakable shield so theres no point trying to push so all he can do is pull his opponents who can jsut teleport away While I agree, you still have to wonder just how powerful the push/pull since obito a lot stronger than pain. For all we know, he can pull Naruto in an instant then drain him with the absorption like Nagato did back when he fought Naruto and Killer Bee. Not saying there is a point in this if Obito is that powerful now but I still don't think that this combination of jutsu should be dismissed as being in the past. Yes, they can teleport but if he pulls them in an instant, not much time to make teleportation a conscious thought. Anyways, there isn't much more to discuss here lol its highly unlikely that he can pull Naruto faster then the 4th can teleport, and while hes pulling Naruto the 2nd and 4th can counter well I was speculating for that point. Quite possible that the 4th can teleport faster than Obito can pull Naruto, same with the 2nd.
Is Obito more proficient at using the rinnegan though? Nagato had it sincr he was a kid and he used it all the time while Obito gained it a lot later and still mainly used the sharingan.
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Remember the days when ninjas could defeat opponents physically stronger than them through cunning, smarts, and a good strategy, and tactics without needing power-ups to simply overpower the opponent?
Yeah, those were good times.
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On September 07 2013 02:22 LaughingTulkas wrote:
Remember the days when ninjas could defeat opponents physically stronger than them through cunning, smarts, and a good strategy, and tactics without needing power-ups to simply overpower the opponent?
Yeah, those were good times.
Then don't read shounen? It's the nature of the beast.
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I don't remember a single fight involving Naruto in which the Kyuubi didn't save his ass the last moment.
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when obito declared the beginning of infinite tsukiyomi, did the juuib's pelvis just move?
is the infinite tsukiyomi just going to be a massive juubi wet dream?
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The anime episode this week is quite a good one to get hyped again and remember what happened a few months ago, also you can hear the voices of all the tailed beasts and jinchurikis. I at least was entertained, usually don't watch it any more.
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On September 07 2013 04:44 Dattish wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 04:21 shark. wrote:
I don't remember a single fight involving Naruto in which the Kyuubi didn't save his ass the last moment. Naruto vs Kakuzu
Meh, that wasn't really Naruto vs Kakuza, more like Kakashi, yamato, team 10, and show of Narutos OP new soon to be spammable jutsu vs Kakuzu. Though i guess it counts. Vs Kakuzu and vs Kabuto/Oro I guess are the only fights where the Kyuubi hasn't intervened.
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On September 07 2013 04:57 shark. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 04:44 Dattish wrote:On September 07 2013 04:21 shark. wrote:
I don't remember a single fight involving Naruto in which the Kyuubi didn't save his ass the last moment. Naruto vs Kakuzu Meh, that wasn't really Naruto vs Kakuza, more like Kakashi, yamato, team 10, and show of Narutos OP new soon to be spammable jutsu vs Kakuzu. Though i guess it counts. Vs Kakuzu and vs Kabuto/Oro I guess are the only fights where the Kyuubi hasn't intervened.
Also against Kiba  .
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On September 07 2013 04:10 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 02:22 LaughingTulkas wrote:
Remember the days when ninjas could defeat opponents physically stronger than them through cunning, smarts, and a good strategy, and tactics without needing power-ups to simply overpower the opponent?
Yeah, those were good times. Then don't read shounen? It's the nature of the beast.
I just meant all of Naruto pre-time skip. Those were good times.
(I don't have a problem with the shounen style so much as the clear departure in style from Naruto pre/post-time skip. It's clearly spiralled out of control. Besides, One Piece and HxH don't have ninjas so I can still stand by my quote without hypocrisy :D)
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On September 07 2013 04:54 Musicus wrote:
The anime episode this week is quite a good one to get hyped again and remember what happened a few months ago, also you can hear the voices of all the tailed beasts and jinchurikis. I at least was entertained, usually don't watch it any more.
yeah recently the show's gotten really good and it's finally catching up to the manga I can't wait til they animate some of the later fights ^^
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The rinnegan Chakra drain technique would only work to hurt Obito even if he were the Sage of the 6 paths. Remember he isn't able to deflect/negate sage/nature chakra. As it stands, if Obito were to absorb Naruto at his current state, he might end up dooming himself as a statue or turning into a frog. Kind of anti climactic don't you think?
I agree with Forik here. No point in using any rinnengan abilities as regular ninja jutsu is ineffective to even hurt him as he already negates them. I can only see taijutsu (lucky shot) or nature charka mixed techniques working here for the moment as the story stands.
My two cents.
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