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On January 17 2013 13:35 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 03:51 DODswe4 wrote:On January 17 2013 03:43 SamsungStar wrote:
Just going to ignore Asn's posts from now on. Senseless to continue if all you can do is misconstrue points.
To Milkis: I don't see how it's a DEM. The 9-tails' healing and restorative abilities were established since the beginning of the manga with Naruto's abnormal regeneration rate and huge reservoirs of chakra.
Then, later, he developed the fox cloak, which was an uncontrollable leak of chakra which tore at his own body because of it's insane level of power. But, like RvB said, the kyuubi's chakra has been rehabilitated so that it's not poisoned with hatred and hurts people. Also, Naruto's ability to control the chakra has grown by leaps and bounds. That was the point of his whole training with Bee in that wild cave. Now, he's converting the chakra from the fox into his own, splitting it off into clones, and then using those clones to transfer energy to others. I don't see how it's a DEM, because every single element of the technique has slowly been developed over the entire course of the manga.
Also, how does it make everything that came before for naught? The whole point is to power up the other ninjas, the ones who were developed earlier in the manga, so they can stay relevant! Instead of making the rest for naught, in fact it's enhancing and bringing back the past elements! Of course, we can have differences of opinion about Kishi's ability to maintain tension, but I don't see how anything in the current fight has been pulled from nowhere. I felt that WAY more during the whole gold-silver twins/gourd fiasco and the edo tensei revive every ninja ever shenanigans.
To each their own, but I can't agree at all on this being a DEM. It doesn't fit the definition.
I like how kishi makes the other characters stronger and therefor relevant, but I still question how the ninetails chakra divided can even hope to touch the juubi. when Killerbee fights Kisame we see that a "normal" person can fight a shrouded person 1on1 (granted Kisame is quite strong, but not in the league of the Juubi) Bee never seriously fought, there traded a couple blows then Kisame made the whole water bubble and Bee spent the rest of the fight trying to get the dude and his dog out of it
the fight was a few chapters long and if he wasn't serious why go into chakra shroud. Tbh Kisame won that fight since he did what he wanted and Bee did not sense him. Still my point from the first post stands, Bee did not crush Kisame and the Juubi would
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On January 17 2013 18:37 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 06:24 Milkis wrote:This wasn't a something new pulled out of nowhere. As a previous poster has mentioned, the ability to transfer chakara has been around for a while already. The ability to cloak oneself in the Kyuubi chakara has also been shown before. It's pulled out of nowhere. http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/94883763/9When does he ever show hints of doing this? He doesn't. It's like him just "magically" knowing the 5 minute limit of Obito. This is the iffy part. That line only exists to JUSTIFY this thing, it doesn't explain it in any sort of way. This is a clear example of bad writing -- when they have to "tell" and not "show". This is the entire deal with "geniuses" in shounen manga in general -- these mangaka have no idea how an actual genius would actually think and analyze the situation so they just put lines like this to justify it. It's very unclear what a "genius" is other than ability to conjure information out of nowhere and justified by a single line. The proper way would've properly been that Naruto lets the Kyuubi take over his clones, as he already showed the ability of transferring his chakra onto others. edit: Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 06:48 Zeo1990 wrote:
@Milkis
ok bullshitty may be a poor choice of words...absurd and a bit clumsily executed would be better i suppose. Again thou DBZs a classic that a love but i think the best kind of fan of something is one that can accept its flaws/silliness and still enjoy it. I use it because Its the best example since 99% of us know it well. The thing is that Dragonball was never focused on the side character in the first place. When they were shown, then the majority of the time they were with Goku or did something relevant for him. So even if they get cast aside, nobody really cared that much, because everybody either expected that to happen, or at least did not find it unlikely. In Naruto on the other hand, the author gets out of his way to introduce their characters including a lot of background stories, so people expected them to stay. Another way to see this is that Dragonball already made the "mistake" of casting away side characters, and that Naruto as the intellectual successor of Dragonball should've avoided it.
Side characters were pretty damn important at first, not really sure what you were referring to. Hell, Piccolo was one of the first people to fight at the start, and he was fairly even with Goku. When Goku died, there was a pretty big focus on Piccolo as well, with him training Gohan. You also had Krillin and the rest training up as well. While Goku still received the spotlight, there was a decent amount of screen time for all of them. When they fought the saiyans, it was pretty much all the side characters until Goku got there after at least a few episodes. Even then, Krillin still became pretty relevant. On Namek, you had Krillin playing a really big role along with Gohan and Vegeta. Piccolo got a really nice time to shine as well after his power-up.
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Damnit, this chapter is horrible.
I mean, most of the fights were the evil guy having a good and logical plan, he starts to rape pretty much everyone, but in the end, it's either talk-no-jutsu or -pulling-something-out-of-my-ass to win.
And here, we have the best exemple of this.
Naruto giving infinite chakra to everyone, srsly, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCKING FUCK
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Yondaime had to make a very quick decision on how to handle the mysterious threat that summoned the Nine Tails. At the time, it seemed like a rather unnecessary sacrifice, much like Obi-Wan Kenobi's final sacrifice.
Regardless, I'd say his strategy (or gamble) finally paid off in this last chapter. It may not succeed, but it definitely amounted to more than he could've done on his own.
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On January 17 2013 12:58 Cush wrote:
I feel like a majority of people here are way to critical of the Manga. Who cares if is seems improbable to give the 9-Tails chakra to everybody? I thought that part was pretty cool and unexpected.
Chakra sharing was introduced a long time ago. I'm not sure how people are surprised about it now. I think they just want to complain about anything.
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-284-4/naruto/chapter-279.html
This was the first one I remembered. However I could go all the way back to tsunadi healing naruto with her chakra (which could be considered chakra sharing). We also have hitting someone with your chakra to break them out of genjutsu.
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Edo Tensei reviving every single legendary nina to ever exist and fight for their side wasn't imba. Having tens of thousands of clones using Senjuu dna who could transform to look like any other ninja wasn't either. Madara having infinite chakra because of Edo Tensei? Totally okay. Oh and he can't be injured? And Obito can warp things in and out of another dimension? All legit.
But Naruto sharing his chakra = WHAT THE FRUIT!!!
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On January 19 2013 12:14 SamsungStar wrote:
Edo Tensei reviving every single legendary nina to ever exist and fight for their side wasn't imba. Having tens of thousands of clones using Senjuu dna who could transform to look like any other ninja wasn't either. Madara having infinite chakra because of Edo Tensei? Totally okay. Oh and he can't be injured? And Obito can warp things in and out of another dimension? All legit.
But Naruto sharing his chakra = WHAT THE FRUIT!!!
HANG THE BLASPHEMER!
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The issue is not whether Naruto suddenly came up with a new ability. Everyone can stomach that, and the manga certainly has a precedent for such. It's the fact that it *is* in fact a sudden, new ability that Shikamaru's dad couldn't possibly have planned on executing because it had never been done before.
While Naruto did manage to replenish Kakashi's chakra with his 9 tails chakra a short time ago, he has NEVER demonstrated this current ability to give everyone more chakra than their bodies could handle. Kakashi merely topped out his rather limited chakra reserves before blowing it all in another single sharingan warp. This is confirmed by the fact that Hinata, the nearby army, and the 9 Tails all acted surprised when Naruto pulls it off, as if the ability were entirely unexpected. If it were unexpected, how/why did a far-away strategist know Naruto could do it before the fact, and even if he'd somehow known and communicated his new-Naruto-ability plan to the army, why are they acting surprised about it?
Kishi has proven himself able to masterfully weave very intriguing battles in the past, so it's really near-sighted to say that his creativity is to blame for this latest incoherent mess. I would speculate that forces outside his control are pushing him to generate content that he hadn't previously planned to make. That kind of a rock and hard-place would push even the best of writers to churn out garbage at times.
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I will disagree with you on that... Of course maybe this wasn't in the manga because it was so long ago that I forget and maybe this is just nonsense added by the anime, but it sounds pretty legit:
Somethingsomething Uzumaki, the first jinchuriki for the kyuubi, back from the era of Madara and the 1st - it is mentioned that Naruto now has "her ability" so therefore it must have been previously known and documented, just not in the manga. This was probably a trump card that was being saved after it first became apparent that Naruto had indeed mastered this ability (which seems to be an integral part of what having that new look entails).
Not exactly a stretch of the story, in my opinion, but it still is a bit deus ex machina in terms of good writing and all that. Total lack of foreshadowing. If this ability had been mentioned long ago, then that would be great. Unforunately not ):
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On January 19 2013 12:34 yevoc wrote:
The issue is not whether Naruto suddenly came up with a new ability. Everyone can stomach that, and the manga certainly has a precedent for such. It's the fact that it *is* in fact a sudden, new ability that Shikamaru's dad couldn't possibly have planned on executing because it had never been done before.
While Naruto did manage to replenish Kakashi's chakra with his 9 tails chakra a short time ago, he has NEVER demonstrated this current ability to give everyone more chakra than their bodies could handle. Kakashi merely topped out his rather limited chakra reserves before blowing it all in another single sharingan warp. This is confirmed by the fact that Hinata, the nearby army, and the 9 Tails all acted surprised when Naruto pulls it off, as if the ability were entirely unexpected. If it were unexpected, how/why did a far-away strategist know Naruto could do it before the fact, and even if he'd somehow known and communicated his new-Naruto-ability plan to the army, why are they acting surprised about it?
Kishi has proven himself able to masterfully weave very intriguing battles in the past, so it's really near-sighted to say that his creativity is to blame for this latest incoherent mess. I would speculate that forces outside his control are pushing him to generate content that he hadn't previously planned to make. That kind of a rock and hard-place would push even the best of writers to churn out garbage at times.
its not that they have MORE chakra but a more powerful form of chakra so Hinata can fire off the same amount of palm blasts, theyll jsut be better palm blasts
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Nothing much happened other than slicing apart body parts of the Ten-Tailed.
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Then link it. Wtf Fawkes -_-: http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/617
Chapter was .....OK I guess, but kind of insulting that he'd devote an entire chapter only to them jumping on the Jyuubi's back. It feels like each week the page count gets smaller.
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On January 19 2013 14:47 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 12:34 yevoc wrote:
The issue is not whether Naruto suddenly came up with a new ability. Everyone can stomach that, and the manga certainly has a precedent for such. It's the fact that it *is* in fact a sudden, new ability that Shikamaru's dad couldn't possibly have planned on executing because it had never been done before.
While Naruto did manage to replenish Kakashi's chakra with his 9 tails chakra a short time ago, he has NEVER demonstrated this current ability to give everyone more chakra than their bodies could handle. Kakashi merely topped out his rather limited chakra reserves before blowing it all in another single sharingan warp. This is confirmed by the fact that Hinata, the nearby army, and the 9 Tails all acted surprised when Naruto pulls it off, as if the ability were entirely unexpected. If it were unexpected, how/why did a far-away strategist know Naruto could do it before the fact, and even if he'd somehow known and communicated his new-Naruto-ability plan to the army, why are they acting surprised about it?
Kishi has proven himself able to masterfully weave very intriguing battles in the past, so it's really near-sighted to say that his creativity is to blame for this latest incoherent mess. I would speculate that forces outside his control are pushing him to generate content that he hadn't previously planned to make. That kind of a rock and hard-place would push even the best of writers to churn out garbage at times. its not that they have MORE chakra but a more powerful form of chakra so Hinata can fire off the same amount of palm blasts, theyll jsut be better palm blasts
No, they clearly have more chakra, what the fuck are you talking about lol
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hmm so where do you think sasuke has arrived at?
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so how did orochi and company all get black cloaks? They weren't shown with them on when they were shown in 616 (in fact jugo is wearing white) yet they all have black cloaks on at the end of 617.
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On January 23 2013 13:59 chipmonklord17 wrote:
so how did orochi and company all get black cloaks? They weren't shown with them on when they were shown in 616 (in fact jugo is wearing white) yet they all have black cloaks on at the end of 617.
its looks cooler and more mysterious
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where are the kages?
Man I used to think orochi is such a cool and strong evil villian but now almost everyone is miles ahead
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On January 23 2013 13:48 FakeDeath wrote:
Nothing much happened other than slicing apart body parts of the Ten-Tailed.
and breaking the link between Obito/Madara and the 10 tails which means they cant control it until they reestablish the link
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On January 23 2013 14:06 ETisME wrote:
where are the kages?
Madara curbstomped them a while back.
Tsunade was going to heal them, but they haven't showed up yet.
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