[Manga] Naruto - Page 634

On January 17 2013 03:43 SamsungStar wrote:
Just going to ignore Asn's posts from now on. Senseless to continue if all you can do is misconstrue points.

To Milkis: I don't see how it's a DEM. The 9-tails' healing and restorative abilities were established since the beginning of the manga with Naruto's abnormal regeneration rate and huge reservoirs of chakra.

Then, later, he developed the fox cloak, which was an uncontrollable leak of chakra which tore at his own body because of it's insane level of power. But, like RvB said, the kyuubi's chakra has been rehabilitated so that it's not poisoned with hatred and hurts people. Also, Naruto's ability to control the chakra has grown by leaps and bounds. That was the point of his whole training with Bee in that wild cave. Now, he's converting the chakra from the fox into his own, splitting it off into clones, and then using those clones to transfer energy to others. I don't see how it's a DEM, because every single element of the technique has slowly been developed over the entire course of the manga.

Also, how does it make everything that came before for naught? The whole point is to power up the other ninjas, the ones who were developed earlier in the manga, so they can stay relevant! Instead of making the rest for naught, in fact it's enhancing and bringing back the past elements! Of course, we can have differences of opinion about Kishi's ability to maintain tension, but I don't see how anything in the current fight has been pulled from nowhere. I felt that WAY more during the whole gold-silver twins/gourd fiasco and the edo tensei revive every ninja ever shenanigans.

To each their own, but I can't agree at all on this being a DEM. It doesn't fit the definition.

On January 17 2013 03:51 DODswe4 wrote:


I like how kishi makes the other characters stronger and therefor relevant, but I still question how the ninetails chakra divided can even hope to touch the juubi. when Killerbee fights Kisame we see that a "normal" person can fight a shrouded person 1on1 (granted Kisame is quite strong, but not in the league of the Juubi)

This wasn't a something new pulled out of nowhere. As a previous poster has mentioned, the ability to transfer chakara has been around for a while already. The ability to cloak oneself in the Kyuubi chakara has also been shown before.

Also, how does it make everything that came before for naught? The whole point is to power up the other ninjas, the ones who were developed earlier in the manga, so they can stay relevant! Instead of making the rest for naught, in fact it's enhancing and bringing back the past elements! Of course, we can have differences of opinion about Kishi's ability to maintain tension, but I don't see how anything in the current fight has been pulled from nowhere. I felt that WAY more during the whole gold-silver twins/gourd fiasco and the edo tensei revive every ninja ever shenanigans.

On January 17 2013 05:34 Zeo1990 wrote:
Its not that the mass 9 tails power-ups are a DEM. Its that's its incredibly quick and lazy ass writing that's a symptom of the bigger issue that has been plaguing this manga pretty much from after of the time skip.

I suppose you can call it DBZ-syndrom if you want. Its when as the manga progresses; the average power-levels of the enemies raise exponentially, making it so only a few relatively small cast of characters are able to match that level of strength with an ever increasing number of bullshitty power-ups/training methods. This leaves other characters that don't power-up pretty much useless and become unimportant support characters that either stay that way or catch up in strength in even MORE bullshit ways. Bleach if probably the worst offender of this of course.

However, Naruto is arguably worse is some respects since its side character roster is kind of huge (of characters we would care about that is...unlike Bleach's 'too many characters in general' problem), so since the time skip not many of them have really had much of anything to really do. And the worst part about this is that fight scenes in Naruto most of the time in the beginning had a certain degree of tactics too them which meant strength wasn't the #1 decider in a fight.

The power-up is a problem because its basically Kishimoto saying "Well i clearly wrote myself into a corner with this 10-tails thing....I KNOW ill have the whole shinobi army get a power boost from Naruto to even the odds, Tension? WTF is that?"

AND this whole situation is going to come right back when the 10 tails has yet another arbitrary transformation because apparently its not quite overpower enough yet.

This isn't to say i don't enjoy Naurto or DBZ. Its just i recognize they aren't terribly well written. And its still a TON better than Bleach because at least i like most of these characters.

On January 17 2013 10:12 Courthead wrote:
So what was going with Sasuke, Orochimaru, and crew? I interpreted their conversation to mean that they could all feel Naruto's chakra power-up, even from so far away and without being sensors, and that fact (slightly) bothered Sasuke. Pretty cool if that's what was really going on.

Also, I agree with most of the criticism of this chapter, and with Naruto in general. In this universe, hard work gets you nothing compared to being born with superior genes. And there've also been loads of god-from-a-machine powerups to save the main characters from the villains, this chapter included. That said, I still love Naruto, and will continue reading week after week until it ends. It's a little inferior to shounens like the excellent Hunter x Hunter, though.

On January 17 2013 03:51 DODswe4 wrote:


I like how kishi makes the other characters stronger and therefor relevant, but I still question how the ninetails chakra divided can even hope to touch the juubi. when Killerbee fights Kisame we see that a "normal" person can fight a shrouded person 1on1 (granted Kisame is quite strong, but not in the league of the Juubi)

On January 17 2013 06:24 Milkis wrote:


It's pulled out of nowhere.

http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/94883763/9

When does he ever show hints of doing this? He doesn't. It's like him just "magically" knowing the 5 minute limit of Obito. This is the iffy part. That line only exists to JUSTIFY this thing, it doesn't explain it in any sort of way. This is a clear example of bad writing -- when they have to "tell" and not "show". This is the entire deal with "geniuses" in shounen manga in general -- these mangaka have no idea how an actual genius would actually think and analyze the situation so they just put lines like this to justify it. It's very unclear what a "genius" is other than ability to conjure information out of nowhere and justified by a single line.

On January 17 2013 06:48 Zeo1990 wrote:
@Milkis

ok bullshitty may be a poor choice of words...absurd and a bit clumsily executed would be better i suppose. Again thou DBZs a classic that a love but i think the best kind of fan of something is one that can accept its flaws/silliness and still enjoy it. I use it because Its the best example since 99% of us know it well.