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yeah i never understand the hate on naruto (the char), they always say he just abuses the nine tails, or that he only has the same moves, but thats basically the entire naruto universe, people have their trademark moves, they use it, and it works or it fails, naruto has shown not only that he learns moves incredibly fast through hardwork and his kage bushin, but he HAS been a master tactician in combat time and time again. From the very first kid arc against Zabuza where he outsmarted him by hiding himself as a ninja star, to his defeating of pain, where he figured out which guy was ressurecting people, how to properly mask his rasen shuriken to properly land hits, to keeping kage bushins in mt myokobu (sp?) to allow him to quickly summon and extend his sage mode. Or what about realizing that he can let the 1 Path of Pain absorb his chakra to turn him into a frog statue. All of these things are strategic/tactical decisions that Naruto figured out ON THE FLY. He even realizes that he can track chakra while in sage mode and uses the rod to track Nagato FASTER THAN THE ENTIRE TRACKING TEAM OF KONOHA.
Sure when he's not in combat he's dumb as a rock, but he's proven time and time again, that what we consider 'stupid' or 'bumbling' ultimately leads to his success because he knows that utilizing his skill set in the way he does, leads to his proper analysis and ultimately victory.
OH BUT HE JUST USES RASENGAN ALL THE TIME, except he also has the Giant rasengan's, rasen shuriken, now the bijuu dama/rasengan thing, sage mode, nine-tails mode, kage bushin, and of course harem no jutsu. This is more skills than any other char we've seen except the OP Sharingan users, who most of which only have 1 or 2 skills we've seen, and only Sasuke (the other main protagonist/antagonist) has had literally TONS of abilities on him as well (sharingan eyes, chidori, susano'o, amaterasu, genjutsu, and we haven't seen him use izanami or izanagi or any space jutsu).
Naruto is awesome, it's just weird to me that he is hated on by so many people seemingly.
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Not really. Naruto didn't develop any new and cool technique on his own and has basically been spoonfed all of his abilities. Although he was a natural with Sage Mode, Kage Bushin, and Rasengan, he didn't really invent anything new. You could argue that his windmill shuriken was some kind of innovation but in actuality it was his father that really did all of the work there. All of the other Kages were pioneers that invented new and crazy ways to fight like the 1st having his plant powers and healing, the 2nd creating the resurrection technique, the third... being a monkey, the fourth creating the thundergod and the rasengan, and the fifth creating the charka fists and innovated on the 1st's healing thing. Naruto just learned a bunch of shit and completed others' work for them like sage mode and wind rasengan. Now he made friends with the fox and forgot aout everything else altogether, solely relying on that. He's basically a trust fund baby that takes credit for everything given to him.
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Sasuke didnt invent any new abilities at all..
Naruto invented the wind rasengan which you can throw, at least 2 MAJOR improvements on the rasengan. Minato created a few techniques but it took him 3 years to develop rasengan. Look how far naruto has gone in 3 years.
Kakashi invented raikiri and that's his only original move as one of the most "talented" ninjas out there.
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Sasuke evolved Chidori too multiple variations.
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well he's fucking 15... most of those kage's developed their shit after spending decades learning it, even Minato took years just to develop the rasengan and never got the rasen shuriken working... and low and behold, Naruto figured it out and got it working, AND figured out how to do it in a way that wouldn't damage his arm. Completing other peoples unfinished work is part of the legacy, you can't just take that away from him. And besides, he'll have time to develop new shit when he's older and actually has time to, you know, when he's not spending every 3 months rescuing the entire ninja world.
Basically NONE of the people in naruto except the kage's (who are touted as the greatest ninjas of their respective countries) haven't created shit either, it was always just learned from someone else. So why all the hate on naruto and not on everyone?
He's the trust fund baby? who's learned and mastered abilities through hard work and training... while sasuke, who had eternal mangekyo GIVEN to him, AMATERASU GIVEN to him, Susano'o given/accidentally awoken mid battle. Yeah, naruto's the credit taker for having everything given to him. mmm hmm. Even his chidori, is basically an adaptation of the raikiri, hell the original chidori was the exact same thing as the raikiri, it's just with his chakra and sharingan he was able to better manipulate the lightning to be able to extend out of his body (sharpening his weapons with it, or shooting it out like a blade, or a stun field around him). If that's considered 'inventing' a new move, then the rasen shuriken does too.
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On August 31 2012 02:23 Slayer91 wrote:
Sasuke didnt invent any new abilities at all..
Naruto invented the wind rasengan which you can throw, at least 2 MAJOR improvements on the rasengan. Minato created a few techniques but it took him 3 years to develop rasengan. Look how far naruto has gone in 3 years.
Kakashi invented raikiri and that's his only original move as one of the most "talented" ninjas out there.
naruto trained with kage bunshin, which is basically 100000000x or whatever the normal pace.
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About: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v55/c520/11.html
On August 30 2012 17:12 AsnSensation wrote:
Nope it's a fact, Kabuto confirmed it.
On August 30 2012 19:13 Wrecken wrote:
Nope it's a fact, Kabuto confirmed it.
I find it very difficult to believe that this is actually fact and just not a widely held belief. This is due to the fact that the technique has weaknesses that Kabuto doesn't intend to reveal to Madara for whatever reason. In the case of Orochimaru's battle with Hiruzen, Hiruzen in both the Manga and the Anime states that he was able to stop it, not that it failed. Inventing a plausable reason for this to happen instead of revealing that the technique has a weakness (to whatever magnitude) is actually more plausable than it actually being Minato.
I really hope that Kishi finds some way to tie all of this up in his explanation of how Obito and the Edo Tensei work.
It'd also be interesting to see people question why the alternate dimension that Tobi uses looks and feels the way that it does, how it was created and the reason that it exists and is connected to the sharingan at all. This series still excites me with this reveal because of this because it introduces the possibility that Tobi is very much Obito but not the Obito that Kakashi and Guy know.
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lol @Slayer and Kazeyonoma
I was just making a joke because someone posted how Minato figured tobi out after seeing him use his ST technique 2x, Im not really bashing Naruto. Minato just happened to have the right tools to counter ST with his own ST Jutsu ( besides being the obvious genius) ( yeah and i got some bias because yondaime and itachi are alltime favourite chars of the series^^)
Obviously Naruto made a lot of progress throughout the story without the help of the 9tails- as a matter of fact in part 1 Naruto still fell under the "hardwoker" category with lee while Sasuke and Neji were the blessed geniuses.
Thats another thing Kishi forgot in part 2...
@WIIIS
you link to a page where kabuto says: oro's attempt to summon the 4th failed while it shows a flashback of the fight between oro and the 3rd you say thats it's not a fact that the 3rd coffin was intended to be the 4th? cmon man, Kabuto's is also done basically and he revealed everything to regarding edo tensei to tobi already. His "Trumph card" was just the Madara Summonor Sagemode.
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Kishi hard at work in his studio to make his next clever plot...
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The infinite tsukuyomi was cast just before #599. Death is life. Young is old. Bad is good. Cats are dogs. Obito is...Tobi?
gg world.
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On August 31 2012 02:59 AsnSensation wrote:
lol @Slayer and Kazeyonoma
I was just making a joke because someone posted how Minato figured tobi out after seeing him use his ST technique 2x, Im not really bashing Naruto. Minato just happened to have the right tools to counter ST with his own ST Jutsu ( besides being the obvious genius) ( yeah and i got some bias because yondaime and itachi are alltime favourite chars of the series^^)
Obviously Naruto made a lot of progress throughout the story without the help of the 9tails- as a matter of fact in part 1 Naruto still fell under the "hardwoker" category with lee while Sasuke and Neji were the blessed geniuses.
Thats another thing Kishi forgot in part 2...
@WIIIS
you link to a page where kabuto says: oro's attempt to summon the 4th failed while it shows a flashback of the fight between oro and the 3rd you say thats it's not a fact that the 3rd coffin was intended to be the 4th? cmon man, Kabuto's is also done basically and he revealed everything to regarding edo tensei to tobi already. His "Trumph card" was just the Madara Summonor Sagemode.
Oh, sorry if it sounded like i was directing it towads you specifically. I actually love Minato and Naruto and Jiraiya the best in the series, and just after years of reading it and following forums have noticed a disdain for Naruto in general, most of which are Sasuke fanboys, but y'know, it just always struck me as weird. No arguments here from me personally though, everyone has their right to their favorites, just weird when I do see baseless attacks on chars I like. Itachi is pretty bad ass too... almost too bad ass though hahaha
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On August 31 2012 02:59 AsnSensation wrote:
lol @Slayer and Kazeyonoma
I was just making a joke because someone posted how Minato figured tobi out after seeing him use his ST technique 2x, Im not really bashing Naruto. Minato just happened to have the right tools to counter ST with his own ST Jutsu ( besides being the
Actually, I posted about minato figured out tobi after seeing the technique twice hueuhe. If Minato was a kage bunshin specialist he'd probably figured out another clever way to get around it using Kage Bunshin. He was fully matured as a ninja and naruto isnt.
Sasuke and Neji trained their whole life to try to overcome his brother//overcome the head family and just were given confidence by others that they were geniuses. Naruto only worked harder because he had special healing powers but it allowed him to catch up after being horrendously behind when he became a Genin. He basically sucked as a ninja he just had strong will and good stamina and he caught up in skill eventually.
Also, the retcon with the fourth is legit I think, but I don't think it's a huge deal. It's like 10 years since he used the technique so give the author here a break if he adjusted it a bit later because he hadn't come up with the whole ninja war plot he wanted to make sure the technique had weaknesses, while when writing the fight with the third he just wanted it to be epic having the 3rd have to fight the other hokages and he stopped to 4th to add to the aura of badassery that's been written into Minato since the start.
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I watch manga for a long time but i never seen so many mistakes from Kishimoto.All of this has a meaning !?I hope next chapter explains everythig,maybe Tobi/Obito is from Another dimension.
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On August 31 2012 01:24 Slayer91 wrote:
Naruto is actually pretty damn smart in fights when it comes to it.. He basically uses only kage bunshin and rasengan and has to beat all his opponents like that at least before the 9-tails chakra stuff. He always uses tricks and mindgames with his kage bunshin not dissimilar to the way minato uses flying thunder god. Talent is a pretty ill-defined thing in life and in naruto. Unless we're talking about OP eye techniques. For example Sasuke spent a whole day and night training the fireball technique straight just to keep up with his brother Itachi but if Itachi was never there he probably wouldn't be nearly as strong and does that mean he's less talented if Itachi isn't born?
Naruto learned the rasengan in a couple of weeks and learned sage mode better than Jiraiya. It's not just the 9 tails naruto is one of the fastest learning Ninjas in the manga it's just that he was absolutely awful in his first 12 years probably something to do with living on his own from birth and eating cup ramen and expired milk every day lol.
And comparing minato and naruto is pretty intuitive since you know, he's his dad.. Naruto isn't the only one who didn't easily figure out tobis technique. It's just a testament to minatos intelligence more than bashing naruto for being shitty. Cause he isn't.
We haven't been following naruto for over a decade. Technically it's only been 3 years of his life. How good do you think minato was at 15? Naruto went from a useless kid to one of the strongest ninjas in 3 years. Minato became hokage before he was 30 but imagine how strong naruto would theoretically be in 15 more years? lol. I'm sure if this manga was about minato you'd all be complaining that he only has flying thunder god technique and rasengan and he sucks compared to third hokage who managed to almost beat orochimaru 1st and 2nd hokage all at once!!
I don't think minato would be that smart at 15 either. Naruto was given the 9 tails so he could surpass his ancestors, that fact that he's not at their level yet even with the Kyuubi is nothing because he only has just begun to improve and he's already one of the strongest ninjas in the world.
Haha, so true. Well put!
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On August 31 2012 02:59 AsnSensation wrote:
@WIIIS
you link to a page where kabuto says: oro's attempt to summon the 4th failed while it shows a flashback of the fight between oro and the 3rd you say thats it's not a fact that the 3rd coffin was intended to be the 4th? cmon man, Kabuto's is also done basically and he revealed everything to regarding edo tensei to tobi already. His "Trumph card" was just the Madara Summonor Sagemode.
No, it isn't a fact till it is proved. Kabuto perpetually lies about the weakness in the technique therefore it cannot be given as fact because he could and had a tendancy to lie and thus cannot be proved.
On August 31 2012 05:33 Ghighita wrote:
maybe Tobi/Obito is from Another dimension.
Thank you, im glad im not the only one that thinks so.
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I think it´s funny that so many people seem to be baffled by how Obito could become so skilled so fast. It´s not that fast compared to some others I might mention, like Naruto or Sasuke.
And the teleportation shows that the kamui dimension is slower in time than the real world, since I would guess the teleportation is nothing other than Tobi entering that dimension, moving to a new coordinate and then popping out into the real world, and no time has passed, making it seem instant.
The big question would be if you age inside that dimension, if that dimension has its own time so to speak.
So if Obito grew a lot older inside that dimension, and the dimension is a lot slower in time than the real world. That would explain why he told Minato that he had waited for this for a long time.
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Maybe the last naruto movie is related with this tobi,maybe he come from a dimension where obito not die,and every caracther life is changed.Kishimoto let us a hint with minato statue on that page.This is too fictional even for a manga..
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Isn't Naruto the first to befriend Kurama? I think he deserves some credit.
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Jesus.
You guys make me want to stop watching the anime.
Im only at the end of the original naruto.
Sad to see something good be ruined by minor mistakes.
Like the trap master arc.
The old man wasnt evil at all?
Okey then who was the person found dead when he commited suicide?
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On August 31 2012 06:58 WillS wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 02:59 AsnSensation wrote:
@WIIIS
you link to a page where kabuto says: oro's attempt to summon the 4th failed while it shows a flashback of the fight between oro and the 3rd you say thats it's not a fact that the 3rd coffin was intended to be the 4th? cmon man, Kabuto's is also done basically and he revealed everything to regarding edo tensei to tobi already. His "Trumph card" was just the Madara Summonor Sagemode. No, it isn't a fact till it is proved. Kabuto perpetually lies about the weakness in the technique therefore it cannot be given as fact because he could and had a tendancy to lie and thus cannot be proved.
Yes it is a fact and you look quite foolish trying to argue against it.
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