EPTHell tobi was fucking surprised at the 4ths abilities ffs. If it is obito wholesale then wtf?
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
Hell tobi was fucking surprised at the 4ths abilities ffs. If it is obito wholesale then wtf? | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On August 30 2012 02:13 Slaughter wrote: Wasn't there a panel when to I was talking to kisame that he showed up looking like madara? Maybe there is something to madara surviving and keeping tabs on all uchiha and used his op power to save him then trained/brainwashed him. Maybe to to I at that time (up to when he fought the 4th) was all madara and after that was obito taking over. Hell tobi was fucking surprised at the 4ths abilities ffs. If it is obito wholesale then wtf? Yeah I was also really curious about this since he (Obito) would've known how the 4th would fight. He could've just been faking part of the fight though, that or do something else. Also we don't know if he even intended to fight the 4th, maybe just distract him from what the Uchiha were doing since we don't know what the clan was doing either. | ||
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village_idiot
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On August 30 2012 02:00 Wrecken wrote: It's just that every single person on every narutoforum based site agrees that he was 11 when he cut off Oro's hand and first started aiding Akatsuki. That main thread explains it all, but ya man, it's 1000s of people who are behind this. Kishi's biggest fuck up was Edo Tensei. Kabuto has clearly said that it need's to be prepped before hand, so if they're in the coffin, that means they are ready to be summoned. Yet, when Oro fights the third, he actually thinks he can summon the 4th, but couldn't since he was in the belly of the death god, meaning that Oro could actually summon whoever without prep. This goes highly against what Kabuto recently said. It's most likely that Kishi forgot about it and changed Edo Tensei's conditions later on, but this remains his biggest retcon ever. I think the whole 4th thing was just because the 4th is badass and that just showed him to be even more badass. Don't really think he thought it through that much. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
Maybe. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
When did you change your name to Kubo? God this is fucking awful. | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
Imo the "Obito became Tobi" theory is just too inconsistent and has too blatant plotholes, even for a Shonen Manga so it has to be some kind of body takeover. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
so like someone mentioned, maybe time is slower or someshit in the other dimension (incoming DBZ power training excuse), but really what if Obito unlocked his space time jutsu and just barely got out alive (hence why he's crushed half way but not completely destroyed for the rest of his body, while in that dimension, he somehow runs into Madara who has been in hiding after his 'faked death', but Madara is about to die from just old age. Madara IZANAGI's Obito into a bad ass and then sets him loose with knowledge of Kushina/9 tails, etc, eh eh eh eh? okay it was bad, but it's not much worse than Kishi's shit right now =T | ||
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Wrecken
United States213 Posts
On August 30 2012 02:28 Kazeyonoma wrote: WAIT I GOT IT..... so like someone mentioned, maybe time is slower or someshit in the other dimension (incoming DBZ power training excuse), but really what if Obito unlocked his space time jutsu and just barely got out alive (hence why he's crushed half way but not completely destroyed for the rest of his body, while in that dimension, he somehow runs into Madara who has been in hiding after his 'faked death', but Madara is about to die from just old age. Madara IZANAGI's Obito into a bad ass and then sets him loose with knowledge of Kushina/9 tails, etc, eh eh eh eh? okay it was bad, but it's not much worse than Kishi's shit right now =T Yes, as I said, time is probably slower in Kamui dimension. | ||
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Eshra
France1009 Posts
On August 30 2012 01:49 Wrecken wrote: Dude, sorry but I am guessing you did not read any of the links I gave you lol, and you have posted no facts. Here is what someone just told you regarding Itachi's age when fighting Oro. Eshra August 30 2012 01:41. Posts 478 PM Profile Report Quote # Yeah dude, everyone knows that on the narutoforums. Are you blind? Everyone on Narutoforums has proven Itachi's age at certain times man, you are not right, those people have studies it hardcore for years and thats all they do. At least read the main thread that explains it all, jesus christ, herp derp, these noobs on TL naruto forums TT. Ahahah, are you really able to read? I never said anything regarding Itachi's age ( and tbh, i don't give a crap about it ). It's just funny how you puke that " everybody knows... " on each and every post you write. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
Obito/Kakashi have Kamui, Shisui has mind control, Itach ihad badass Tsukuyomi, And Sasuke has the best control for amaterasu of anyone we've seen. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On August 30 2012 02:27 Fenrax wrote: My theory is that Madara implanted parts of himself into Zetsu when he was about to die to the First Hokage. Somehow this Zetsu made it to the dying Obito and implanted itself into him, saving him but also taking over his body and eyes, abusing the jealousy and hatred Obito felt. Imo the "Obito became Tobi" theory is just too inconsistent and has too blatant plotholes, even for a Shonen Manga so it has to be some kind of body takeover. Yeah this is my guess too, it'd explain why only the left side of his face is old/injured, he zetsu had to probably take the entirety of the face to make it work right rather than just the eyeball or something. I at least hope its something like that and not ACTUALLY Obito, cuz that'd be fucking stupid, with everything we've all listed about the conflicts of time/powerup/knowledge/etc... On August 30 2012 02:29 Wrecken wrote: Yes, as I said, time is probably slower in Kamui dimension. Yeah, i think there's a few things we can assume (but will get explained), that can help us at least have a clear base for what we're dealing with here in the face of so many terrible terrible issues with it being Obito. 1) we assume Obito activated his space/time jutsu in his moment of greatest desperation before death, and somehow survived because of it. 2) we assume that the Kamui dimension moves slower timewise, hence why it seems like he's teleporting all over the place when he wants, but in actuality, he's just moving to a slower time dimension, moving through that, and then re-emerging where he wants to be in what feels like an 'instant', also why while fast, was inherently slower than the 4th's flying thundergod which actually teleports him to his special tags instantly. 3) although in the previous manga issues, kakashi's 'explanation' of his phase out technique says he only phases out 'parts' of his body, we know that this isn't true, and that he actually has to phase completely in and out because that's why he can't just phase out his face that's being attacked, while still attacking with his non-phased out arms/etc, and why they had to use tricks to get him to phase out (attack to the phase to cause naruto not to be grabbed, etc). Is there anything else we can safely assume about tobi/obito so we can uhh, properly tear apart whatever conclusion Kishi throws at us?  | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On August 30 2012 02:36 IntoTheheart wrote: My question is if every Mangekyou has a different ability. Obito/Kakashi have Kamui, Shisui has mind control, Itach ihad badass Tsukuyomi, And Sasuke has the best control for amaterasu of anyone we've seen. ehh but that wasn't unique to sasuke, cuz itachi had it, and technically it seems he 'gave' it to him when he died with the head poke, which ended up auto attacking Tobi when he revealed his face to sasuke remember? Maybe it was compatible simply because they were siblings, and Sasuke did unlock the key to controlling the fire (using his other eye), but I wouldn't say that it was Sasuke's unique Mangekyou ability... what it is i dunno though. it's obviously not susano'o since everyone with mangekyou can use it it seems, it just takes different forms depending on the user. i'm curious about this as well... I don't think it's EVERYONE has a special, just that unique skills come along every once in a while I'm guessing in the Uchiha bloodline, think of it as a mutation of the blood limit that happens once in a few generations. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On August 30 2012 02:41 Kazeyonoma wrote: ehh but that wasn't unique to sasuke, cuz itachi had it, and technically it seems he 'gave' it to him when he died with the head poke, which ended up auto attacking Tobi when he revealed his face to sasuke remember? Maybe it was compatible simply because they were siblings, and Sasuke did unlock the key to controlling the fire (using his other eye), but I wouldn't say that it was Sasuke's unique Mangekyou ability... what it is i dunno though. it's obviously not susano'o since everyone with mangekyou can use it it seems, it just takes different forms depending on the user. i'm curious about this as well... I don't think it's EVERYONE has a special, just that unique skills come along every once in a while I'm guessing in the Uchiha bloodline, think of it as a mutation of the blood limit that happens once in a few generations. I guess you're right, I think I misinterpreted what Zetsu said about Sasuke controlling amaterasu better than Itachi. It'll also be kinda cool to see how Kakashi managed to get a Mangekyou and if his vision's been degrading since then. Obviously he doesn't use his sharing often so he might not even notice. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On August 30 2012 02:34 Eshra wrote: Ahahah, are you really able to read? I never said anything regarding Itachi's age ( and tbh, i don't give a crap about it ). It's just funny how you puke that " everybody knows... " on each and every post you write. Well, NF is pretty much everybody... or at least everybody intelligent with extensive knowledge on the Narutoverse. They are the ones that predicted Tobi = Obito some 7 years ago when he made his first appearance. They are the ones that predicted Itachi = "Good" back before even the time skip and cited many instances as proof. And pretty much every other twist that Kishi tried to throw at us, they had predicted based on their complete knowledge on the Narutoverse. So yes, they are "everyone". | ||
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
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acker
United States2958 Posts
I'm guessing that the real Madara was Tobi for a long, long time...but he died relatively recently. Obito (or, at least, his body) has taken over the job of "Tobi" ever since then. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On August 30 2012 02:20 Numy wrote: I think the whole 4th thing was just because the 4th is badass and that just showed him to be even more badass. Don't really think he thought it through that much. Well then he anime retcons itself because the third explicitly stated that he "HAD to stop the last coffin". In any case I'm waiting for the explanation before I get angry at Tobi being Obito. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On August 30 2012 02:51 acker wrote: Given more thought, it kind of reminds me of "Friend" from 20th Century Boys. I'm guessing that the real Madara was Tobi for a long, long time...but he died relatively recently. Obito (or, at least, his body) has taken over the job of "Tobi" ever since then. This might actually be true too... it would keep with all of the timeline stuff, and also why Madara thought it was Nagato that revived him (if he died relatively close to current day, the giant statue might've worked). I dunno though, there's just way too much explaining to be done to get this all resolved... I hope Kishi doesn't completely drop the ball here. | ||
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Eshra
France1009 Posts
On August 30 2012 02:48 Dosey wrote: Well, NF is pretty much everybody... or at least everybody intelligent with extensive knowledge on the Narutoverse. They are the ones that predicted Tobi = Obito some 7 years ago when he made his first appearance. They are the ones that predicted Itachi = "Good" back before even the time skip and cited many instances as proof. And pretty much every other twist that Kishi tried to throw at us, they had predicted based on their complete knowledge on the Narutoverse. So yes, they are "everyone". Meh, you guys have trouble understanding simple jokes. | ||
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