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rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
August 25 2012 00:39 GMT
#10381
oh about yahiko, I think nagato would die if he uses that resurrection spell, so it would basically be going against yahiko's will if he were to revive yahiko and give his own life in return. but again this is all speculation with very little or no fact behind them.
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
August 25 2012 00:41 GMT
#10382
On August 25 2012 09:39 rei wrote:
oh about yahiko, I think nagato would die if he uses that resurrection spell, so it would basically be going against yahiko's will if he were to revive yahiko and give his own life in return. but again this is all speculation with very little or no fact behind them.

he hadnt mastered the Rinnegan when Yahiko died since he wasnt using any puppets by that point, as soon as he mastered enough to get the ressurection king thing the first thing he did was ressurect Yahiko but only his body was fixed and his soul didnt return so he turned him into Deva realm (purely speculation but i can see this happening)
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
August 25 2012 00:48 GMT
#10383
i thought yahiko's body was intact at the end of that encounter. Tobi did mention Nagato is suppose to use that mass resurrection for him, which indicates it's a one time use, and nagato would die because of it. Perhaps we are talking about two different ability nagato can perform. Because during the mass Resurrection he was returning souls to their own damage body and in the same time healing the damaged body without needing to put those bodies into his life path summon thingy that can fix puppet pains.
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
August 25 2012 00:51 GMT
#10384
On August 25 2012 09:48 rei wrote:
i thought yahiko's body was intact at the end of that encounter. Tobi did mention Nagato is suppose to use that mass resurrection for him, which indicates it's a one time use, and nagato would die because of it. Perhaps we are talking about two different ability nagato can perform. Because during the mass Resurrection he was returning souls to their own damage body and in the same time healing the damaged body without needing to put those bodies into his life path summon thingy that can fix puppet pains.

he didnt put the bodies into his life path summon thing but he did use the life path summon thing, he only died because he had practically no chakra left and he used a giant huge technique like that and used all his chakra and died, Yahikos bod was mainly intact but was still dead so Nagato would obviously at least try and bring him back to life but failed

the technique he used to fix his puppets and the one used to revive konoha was the same one
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-25 01:01:07
August 25 2012 00:59 GMT
#10385
hm.. then why did tobi said Nagato was supposed to use it for him, if it has no risk to nagato, tobi would have ask for that favor long time ago. I standby my deduction that tobi follow madara's instruction and created the rinnegan by raping nagato's mom without her noticing, putting uchiha dna into senji's pussy. and then use the rinnegan to somehow resurrect madara. and madara knows about this because the plan was set in action as soon as he put them down in those tablets. as for the detail on how nagato can rez madara is still unknown, but most likely involve first obtaining 1 to 9 tail and resurrecting the 10 tail ?
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
August 25 2012 01:01 GMT
#10386
On August 25 2012 09:59 rei wrote:
hm.. then why did tobi said Nagato was supposed to use it for him, if it has no risk to nagato, tobi would have ask for that favor long time ago. I standby my deduction that tobi follow madara's instruction and created the rinnegan by raping nagato's mom without her noticing, putting uchiha dna into senji's pussy. and then use the rinnegan to somehow resurrect madara. and madara knows about this because the plan was set in action as soon as he put them down in those tablets. as for the detail on how nagato can rez madara is still unknown, but most likely involve first obtaining and resurrecting the 10 tail ?

maybe because Tobi didnt actually want Madara back?

if Madara comes back there goes Tobis moons-eye plan Madara would want to take over the world or jsut Konoha or take revenge or something
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 25 2012 01:05 GMT
#10387
My understanding of Nagato's resurrection jutsu is that it does three things:
1. find soul of deceased person
2. repairs body of deceased person
3. puts soul/ chakra back into deceased person

When he revived Konoha, he didn't have to search too hard for the souls. Many were in the King of Hell guy, or recently deceased and pretty easy to find. Therefore, it was a (relatively) low chakra consumption, though he was already low on chakra and there were a shit load of people so he died from it. In contrast, Madara's soul is floating around in the underworld, and probably would require a much larger expenditure of energy to bring back. Maybe his soul is "heavier" as well. In physics, you could say he's a heavy object that needs to be moved a long distance while the Konoha villagers were light objects that need to be moved a shorter distance.

The condition of his remains is unknown, though apparently Kabuto managed to find samples good enough for Edo Tensei. If he's a couple bones lying around, it would take quite a bit of energy to fix it up. The Konoha villagers were relatively fresh corpses. Repairing wounds takes quite a bit of chakra (okay, so Tsunade has some cool stuff, but it took like a whole team of skilled medics to fix Neji's arm). It's a not insignificant amount of energy to rebuild a body, but given Nagato's huge chakra pool this could possibly be a relatively small problem for him.

I'm guessing that the jutsu also gives the revived person some amount of chakra back. If its a percent or something of max chakra, filling Madara's tank would be a big gas bill to pay. A really big glass versus a bunch of shot glasses.

So basically, reviving Madara would take a shit load of chakra and would be almost guaranteed to kill Nagato.
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rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
August 25 2012 01:06 GMT
#10388
It could be, since we don't know tobi's relationship with madara, they would be on the same side but have different ideas for world domination. It could be that tobi was originally following madara's plan and set that shit in motion a while ago, but mid way through it he figured out madara would have screwed him so he changed his mind, and set out to do something of his own liking.
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-25 01:16:50
August 25 2012 01:16 GMT
#10389
On August 25 2012 10:05 ticklishmusic wrote:
My understanding of Nagato's resurrection jutsu is that it does three things:
1. find soul of deceased person
2. repairs body of deceased person
3. puts soul/ chakra back into deceased person

When he revived Konoha, he didn't have to search too hard for the souls. Many were in the King of Hell guy, or recently deceased and pretty easy to find. Therefore, it was a (relatively) low chakra consumption, though he was already low on chakra and there were a shit load of people so he died from it. In contrast, Madara's soul is floating around in the underworld, and probably would require a much larger expenditure of energy to bring back. Maybe his soul is "heavier" as well. In physics, you could say he's a heavy object that needs to be moved a long distance while the Konoha villagers were light objects that need to be moved a shorter distance.

The condition of his remains is unknown, though apparently Kabuto managed to find samples good enough for Edo Tensei. If he's a couple bones lying around, it would take quite a bit of energy to fix it up. The Konoha villagers were relatively fresh corpses. Repairing wounds takes quite a bit of chakra (okay, so Tsunade has some cool stuff, but it took like a whole team of skilled medics to fix Neji's arm). It's a not insignificant amount of energy to rebuild a body, but given Nagato's huge chakra pool this could possibly be a relatively small problem for him.

I'm guessing that the jutsu also gives the revived person some amount of chakra back. If its a percent or something of max chakra, filling Madara's tank would be a big gas bill to pay. A really big glass versus a bunch of shot glasses.

So basically, reviving Madara would take a shit load of chakra and would be almost guaranteed to kill Nagato.

Nagato said he couldnt only completely ressurect people who had recently died....

if he could ressurect anyone regardless of there time of death hed bring back Yahiko even if it killed him

also the edo tensei kind of shits all over that theory
meijin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States141 Posts
August 25 2012 01:31 GMT
#10390
tobi = uchiha kagami = obito's dad. would explain how he knows so much about kakashi. the real madara approaches him and recruits him to be his accomplice. this would explain how tobi knew so much about the kyuubi when he tried to steal it during naruto's birth, as well as how he knows so much about konoha. no one in konoha suspects kagami because madara helped him fake his death using white zetsu, similar to how kisame faked his death vs bee.

thoughts?
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
August 25 2012 01:32 GMT
#10391
On August 25 2012 10:31 meijin wrote:
tobi = uchiha kagami = obito's dad. would explain how he knows so much about kakashi. the real madara approaches him and recruits him to be his accomplice. this would explain how tobi knew so much about the kyuubi when he tried to steal it during naruto's birth, as well as how he knows so much about konoha. no one in konoha suspects kagami because madara helped him fake his death using white zetsu, similar to how kisame faked his death vs bee.

thoughts?

then why was he sneaking around the Uchiha secret archives when he could ahve jsut walked right in?
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
August 25 2012 01:41 GMT
#10392
On August 25 2012 10:32 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 10:31 meijin wrote:
tobi = uchiha kagami = obito's dad. would explain how he knows so much about kakashi. the real madara approaches him and recruits him to be his accomplice. this would explain how tobi knew so much about the kyuubi when he tried to steal it during naruto's birth, as well as how he knows so much about konoha. no one in konoha suspects kagami because madara helped him fake his death using white zetsu, similar to how kisame faked his death vs bee.

thoughts?

then why was he sneaking around the Uchiha secret archives when he could ahve jsut walked right in?


If he faked his death he would try not to walk around konoha all willy nilly now, wouldn't he? >_>

"hey look, it's my friend that's supposed to be dead walking around!"

Not that I'm actually agreeing with the theory. But that would be the explanation.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
meijin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States141 Posts
August 25 2012 01:44 GMT
#10393
On August 25 2012 10:32 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 10:31 meijin wrote:
tobi = uchiha kagami = obito's dad. would explain how he knows so much about kakashi. the real madara approaches him and recruits him to be his accomplice. this would explain how tobi knew so much about the kyuubi when he tried to steal it during naruto's birth, as well as how he knows so much about konoha. no one in konoha suspects kagami because madara helped him fake his death using white zetsu, similar to how kisame faked his death vs bee.

thoughts?

then why was he sneaking around the Uchiha secret archives when he could ahve jsut walked right in?


when was this
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
August 25 2012 01:48 GMT
#10394
On August 25 2012 10:44 meijin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 10:32 Forikorder wrote:
On August 25 2012 10:31 meijin wrote:
tobi = uchiha kagami = obito's dad. would explain how he knows so much about kakashi. the real madara approaches him and recruits him to be his accomplice. this would explain how tobi knew so much about the kyuubi when he tried to steal it during naruto's birth, as well as how he knows so much about konoha. no one in konoha suspects kagami because madara helped him fake his death using white zetsu, similar to how kisame faked his death vs bee.

thoughts?

then why was he sneaking around the Uchiha secret archives when he could ahve jsut walked right in?


when was this

tahts how Itachi found tobi, if it was kagami he would already know everything he needed to from the secret archives BEFORE he faked his death
meijin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States141 Posts
August 25 2012 02:46 GMT
#10395
On August 25 2012 10:48 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 10:44 meijin wrote:
On August 25 2012 10:32 Forikorder wrote:
On August 25 2012 10:31 meijin wrote:
tobi = uchiha kagami = obito's dad. would explain how he knows so much about kakashi. the real madara approaches him and recruits him to be his accomplice. this would explain how tobi knew so much about the kyuubi when he tried to steal it during naruto's birth, as well as how he knows so much about konoha. no one in konoha suspects kagami because madara helped him fake his death using white zetsu, similar to how kisame faked his death vs bee.

thoughts?

then why was he sneaking around the Uchiha secret archives when he could ahve jsut walked right in?


when was this

tahts how Itachi found tobi, if it was kagami he would already know everything he needed to from the secret archives BEFORE he faked his death


not necessarily. if his mangekyo awakened because of obito's death, he would want to re-read the tablet with his mangekyo, especially if madara had revealed some secrets he was unaware of and he wanted to see for himself if they were true.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
August 25 2012 02:59 GMT
#10396
On August 25 2012 11:46 meijin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 10:48 Forikorder wrote:
On August 25 2012 10:44 meijin wrote:
On August 25 2012 10:32 Forikorder wrote:
On August 25 2012 10:31 meijin wrote:
tobi = uchiha kagami = obito's dad. would explain how he knows so much about kakashi. the real madara approaches him and recruits him to be his accomplice. this would explain how tobi knew so much about the kyuubi when he tried to steal it during naruto's birth, as well as how he knows so much about konoha. no one in konoha suspects kagami because madara helped him fake his death using white zetsu, similar to how kisame faked his death vs bee.

thoughts?

then why was he sneaking around the Uchiha secret archives when he could ahve jsut walked right in?


when was this

tahts how Itachi found tobi, if it was kagami he would already know everything he needed to from the secret archives BEFORE he faked his death


not necessarily. if his mangekyo awakened because of obito's death, he would want to re-read the tablet with his mangekyo, especially if madara had revealed some secrets he was unaware of and he wanted to see for himself if they were true.

if he got info from Madara he wouldnt need to take the huge risk of sneaking into Konoha
darkmetal505
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States639 Posts
August 25 2012 03:02 GMT
#10397
On August 25 2012 10:31 meijin wrote:
tobi = uchiha kagami = obito's dad. would explain how he knows so much about kakashi. the real madara approaches him and recruits him to be his accomplice. this would explain how tobi knew so much about the kyuubi when he tried to steal it during naruto's birth, as well as how he knows so much about konoha. no one in konoha suspects kagami because madara helped him fake his death using white zetsu, similar to how kisame faked his death vs bee.

thoughts?


Do the ages work out? Seems like he's a bit to old to be Obito's dad. His age seems to be comparable to the 3rd since he was on that team during the First War.
meijin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States141 Posts
August 25 2012 03:13 GMT
#10398
@Forikorder, like i said in the post you quoted, he didn't know if he could trust madara for sure so he went back to read the tablet for himself.

@darkmetal, the 3rd and kagami are about the same age. the 3rd is asuma's father. asuma was about the same age as kakashi who is the same age as obito.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
August 25 2012 03:15 GMT
#10399
On August 25 2012 12:13 meijin wrote:
@Forikorder, like i said in the post you quoted, he didn't know if he could trust madara for sure so he went back to read the tablet for himself.

@darkmetal, the 3rd and kagami are about the same age. the 3rd is asuma's father. asuma was about the same age as kakashi who is the same age as obito.

way too big of a risk jsut to confirm info when he could jsut test the info himself
meijin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States141 Posts
August 25 2012 03:24 GMT
#10400
if he gets caught, couldn't he just teleport away?
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