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On August 24 2012 00:18 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:17 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:14 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:07 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:01 Forikorder wrote:On August 23 2012 23:55 zidaneshead wrote:On August 23 2012 23:47 Forikorder wrote:Plothole Number 1: Tobi’s Power Level (chapters 500-504)
There is no way Obito could turn into an alpha dog shinobi who mastered S/T phasing and teleportation within a 1-2 year time frame. At 15 years old? No way... There is also no way Obito would know how to extract the Kyuubi, hypnotize it, control it like a puppet, and then summon it wherever the hell he wants to. And all of this is supposed to have happened 1-2 years after Obito supposedly died? That’s just not feasible. he doesnt need to master it though, as long as he knows how to activate the jutsu and it works automatically then all he needs to do is let attacks pass through him and use the small sdvantage from the confusion to suck people in Plothole Number 4: Kyuubi recognised Tobi (chapter 501 page 8)
The Kyuubi actually recognises Tobi and possibly knows who he is. If THAT doesn’t convince you, nothing will. The Kyuubi made a direct transfer from being sealed into Mito to being sealed into Kushina, so there is a fundamental contradiction for the Kyuubi to recognise anyone in the outside world when it was sealed for all that time. If the Kyuubi actually recognised Tobi, it means Tobi has to be someone who was alive during Hashirama/Madara’s generation. the Kyuubi thought Sasuke was Uchiha Madara... Plothole Number 5: Tobi is too tall (chapter 503 page 9)
Tobi was shown to be adult sized when he fought Minato, chapter 503 page 5. But on page 9, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai are all shown to be much shorter as they are going through adolescence. Obito would have been around that size and is therefore too short to be Tobi.
maybe he used a Zetsu to make himself look taller Plothole Number 7: This is HIS doing (chapter 560 page 2)
"This is HIS doing." That means Madara knows exactly who Tobi is, but there is no way Madara could have worked with Obito because Madara had died already. We know this because by the time Nagato gets Madara's Rinnegan from Tobi, Madara is officially dead - "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death." (chapter 560 page 15). This is important because Nagato is older than Minato, and Minato is older than Obito. its possible that your wrong about the time line, you assume madara awakens rinnegan, gives to nagato, dies but it could be Nagato was given Sharingan which since he has senju blood awakes the rinnegan, Madara sees this and uses the data from that to awakens it and then dies Plothole Number 9: During Our Battle (chapter 512 page 9)
"This is something I grew from living tissue I stole from him during our battle." Kabuto already revealed the Madara coffin so there was no reason for Tobi to keep lying. So if Tobi actually had a fight with Hashirama there is no way he could be Obito . Tobi could have easily still be talking BS to look badass to Kabuto to make Kabuto think Tobi is stronger then he is he could be bluffing to make Kabuto keep lsitening to him Plothole Number 10: Too Much Knowledge
It is impossible for Obito to know so much about the bloody history between the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan before Konoha was even established as a shinobi village. Tobi has to be someone from that generation. It is also impossible for Obito to know so much about Rikudou Sennin, his sons, the Bijuu and the Juubi.
unless Madara was the one who rescued Obito or had Zetsu rescue him and explain things to him THE BIGGEST PLOTHOLE OF THEM ALL
Plothole Number 11: Nagato is much older than Obito
Why is this important? Because Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato.
Unless Kishi hardcore ret-conned the shit out of this, Tobi cannot be Obito. its possible that there are 2 Tobis, Madara played the role of Tobi until he had Obito to pass it all along too pretty much the only problem for Obito being Tobi is the timeline, but if someone else handled being Tobi until Obito was ready (which was when he went out to attack Konoha) then it can all make sense and the only thing that needs to be explained is his growth spurt i think you're stretching a lot. The guy's points are pretty sound. Using a Zetsu to make himself look taller? C'mon lol. The fact that he was an adult when fighting the 4th and Kakashi/Gai were still runts should be proof enough. The Kyuubi didn't think Sasuke was Madara, he said that his chakra was as sinister as Madara's. im jsut pointing out that its not nearly as crazy as people seem to think that Tobi is Obito It is crazy for Tobi to be Obito actually.It fucking doesn't make sense. 15 year old kid having the power to control Kyuubi? That is cute indeed lol. Obito turning from low-tier(he was the worst among Kakashi generation) to God-Tier in a matter of 1-2 years with so much knowledge and power is so unreasonable. Not even the prodigy of the prodigies(Sasuke, Itachi) can achieve that much power . Sasuke could control the Kyuubi when hey first met after the time skip, controlling the Kyuubi isnt that hard and hes not god tier he just has super hax eyes that do all the work for him Sasuke was not controlling Kyuubi.He was just suppressing the Kyuubi chakra within Naruto subconscious. exactly he controlled the Kyuubi if the Kyuubi was outside Naruto he could ahve had it dancing a jig point is any uchiha can control the 9 tails its not that special the only hard part is getting close enough to it to cast the jutsu but with Tobis power thats easy mode
You are just making up a scenario " IF X does that, Y goes like that ".
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On August 24 2012 00:27 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:18 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:17 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:14 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:07 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:01 Forikorder wrote:On August 23 2012 23:55 zidaneshead wrote:On August 23 2012 23:47 Forikorder wrote:Plothole Number 1: Tobi’s Power Level (chapters 500-504)
There is no way Obito could turn into an alpha dog shinobi who mastered S/T phasing and teleportation within a 1-2 year time frame. At 15 years old? No way... There is also no way Obito would know how to extract the Kyuubi, hypnotize it, control it like a puppet, and then summon it wherever the hell he wants to. And all of this is supposed to have happened 1-2 years after Obito supposedly died? That’s just not feasible. he doesnt need to master it though, as long as he knows how to activate the jutsu and it works automatically then all he needs to do is let attacks pass through him and use the small sdvantage from the confusion to suck people in Plothole Number 4: Kyuubi recognised Tobi (chapter 501 page 8)
The Kyuubi actually recognises Tobi and possibly knows who he is. If THAT doesn’t convince you, nothing will. The Kyuubi made a direct transfer from being sealed into Mito to being sealed into Kushina, so there is a fundamental contradiction for the Kyuubi to recognise anyone in the outside world when it was sealed for all that time. If the Kyuubi actually recognised Tobi, it means Tobi has to be someone who was alive during Hashirama/Madara’s generation. the Kyuubi thought Sasuke was Uchiha Madara... Plothole Number 5: Tobi is too tall (chapter 503 page 9)
Tobi was shown to be adult sized when he fought Minato, chapter 503 page 5. But on page 9, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai are all shown to be much shorter as they are going through adolescence. Obito would have been around that size and is therefore too short to be Tobi.
maybe he used a Zetsu to make himself look taller Plothole Number 7: This is HIS doing (chapter 560 page 2)
"This is HIS doing." That means Madara knows exactly who Tobi is, but there is no way Madara could have worked with Obito because Madara had died already. We know this because by the time Nagato gets Madara's Rinnegan from Tobi, Madara is officially dead - "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death." (chapter 560 page 15). This is important because Nagato is older than Minato, and Minato is older than Obito. its possible that your wrong about the time line, you assume madara awakens rinnegan, gives to nagato, dies but it could be Nagato was given Sharingan which since he has senju blood awakes the rinnegan, Madara sees this and uses the data from that to awakens it and then dies Plothole Number 9: During Our Battle (chapter 512 page 9)
"This is something I grew from living tissue I stole from him during our battle." Kabuto already revealed the Madara coffin so there was no reason for Tobi to keep lying. So if Tobi actually had a fight with Hashirama there is no way he could be Obito . Tobi could have easily still be talking BS to look badass to Kabuto to make Kabuto think Tobi is stronger then he is he could be bluffing to make Kabuto keep lsitening to him Plothole Number 10: Too Much Knowledge
It is impossible for Obito to know so much about the bloody history between the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan before Konoha was even established as a shinobi village. Tobi has to be someone from that generation. It is also impossible for Obito to know so much about Rikudou Sennin, his sons, the Bijuu and the Juubi.
unless Madara was the one who rescued Obito or had Zetsu rescue him and explain things to him THE BIGGEST PLOTHOLE OF THEM ALL
Plothole Number 11: Nagato is much older than Obito
Why is this important? Because Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato.
Unless Kishi hardcore ret-conned the shit out of this, Tobi cannot be Obito. its possible that there are 2 Tobis, Madara played the role of Tobi until he had Obito to pass it all along too pretty much the only problem for Obito being Tobi is the timeline, but if someone else handled being Tobi until Obito was ready (which was when he went out to attack Konoha) then it can all make sense and the only thing that needs to be explained is his growth spurt i think you're stretching a lot. The guy's points are pretty sound. Using a Zetsu to make himself look taller? C'mon lol. The fact that he was an adult when fighting the 4th and Kakashi/Gai were still runts should be proof enough. The Kyuubi didn't think Sasuke was Madara, he said that his chakra was as sinister as Madara's. im jsut pointing out that its not nearly as crazy as people seem to think that Tobi is Obito It is crazy for Tobi to be Obito actually.It fucking doesn't make sense. 15 year old kid having the power to control Kyuubi? That is cute indeed lol. Obito turning from low-tier(he was the worst among Kakashi generation) to God-Tier in a matter of 1-2 years with so much knowledge and power is so unreasonable. Not even the prodigy of the prodigies(Sasuke, Itachi) can achieve that much power . Sasuke could control the Kyuubi when hey first met after the time skip, controlling the Kyuubi isnt that hard and hes not god tier he just has super hax eyes that do all the work for him Sasuke was not controlling Kyuubi.He was just suppressing the Kyuubi chakra within Naruto subconscious. exactly he controlled the Kyuubi if the Kyuubi was outside Naruto he could ahve had it dancing a jig point is any uchiha can control the 9 tails its not that special the only hard part is getting close enough to it to cast the jutsu but with Tobis power thats easy mode You are just making up a scenario " IF X does that, Y goes like that ".
how am i making up a scenario? Sasuke showed that hes completely able to control the Kyuubi
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On August 24 2012 00:30 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:27 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:18 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:17 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:14 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:07 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:01 Forikorder wrote:On August 23 2012 23:55 zidaneshead wrote:On August 23 2012 23:47 Forikorder wrote:Plothole Number 1: Tobi’s Power Level (chapters 500-504)
There is no way Obito could turn into an alpha dog shinobi who mastered S/T phasing and teleportation within a 1-2 year time frame. At 15 years old? No way... There is also no way Obito would know how to extract the Kyuubi, hypnotize it, control it like a puppet, and then summon it wherever the hell he wants to. And all of this is supposed to have happened 1-2 years after Obito supposedly died? That’s just not feasible. he doesnt need to master it though, as long as he knows how to activate the jutsu and it works automatically then all he needs to do is let attacks pass through him and use the small sdvantage from the confusion to suck people in Plothole Number 4: Kyuubi recognised Tobi (chapter 501 page 8)
The Kyuubi actually recognises Tobi and possibly knows who he is. If THAT doesn’t convince you, nothing will. The Kyuubi made a direct transfer from being sealed into Mito to being sealed into Kushina, so there is a fundamental contradiction for the Kyuubi to recognise anyone in the outside world when it was sealed for all that time. If the Kyuubi actually recognised Tobi, it means Tobi has to be someone who was alive during Hashirama/Madara’s generation. the Kyuubi thought Sasuke was Uchiha Madara... Plothole Number 5: Tobi is too tall (chapter 503 page 9)
Tobi was shown to be adult sized when he fought Minato, chapter 503 page 5. But on page 9, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai are all shown to be much shorter as they are going through adolescence. Obito would have been around that size and is therefore too short to be Tobi.
maybe he used a Zetsu to make himself look taller Plothole Number 7: This is HIS doing (chapter 560 page 2)
"This is HIS doing." That means Madara knows exactly who Tobi is, but there is no way Madara could have worked with Obito because Madara had died already. We know this because by the time Nagato gets Madara's Rinnegan from Tobi, Madara is officially dead - "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death." (chapter 560 page 15). This is important because Nagato is older than Minato, and Minato is older than Obito. its possible that your wrong about the time line, you assume madara awakens rinnegan, gives to nagato, dies but it could be Nagato was given Sharingan which since he has senju blood awakes the rinnegan, Madara sees this and uses the data from that to awakens it and then dies Plothole Number 9: During Our Battle (chapter 512 page 9)
"This is something I grew from living tissue I stole from him during our battle." Kabuto already revealed the Madara coffin so there was no reason for Tobi to keep lying. So if Tobi actually had a fight with Hashirama there is no way he could be Obito . Tobi could have easily still be talking BS to look badass to Kabuto to make Kabuto think Tobi is stronger then he is he could be bluffing to make Kabuto keep lsitening to him Plothole Number 10: Too Much Knowledge
It is impossible for Obito to know so much about the bloody history between the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan before Konoha was even established as a shinobi village. Tobi has to be someone from that generation. It is also impossible for Obito to know so much about Rikudou Sennin, his sons, the Bijuu and the Juubi.
unless Madara was the one who rescued Obito or had Zetsu rescue him and explain things to him THE BIGGEST PLOTHOLE OF THEM ALL
Plothole Number 11: Nagato is much older than Obito
Why is this important? Because Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato.
Unless Kishi hardcore ret-conned the shit out of this, Tobi cannot be Obito. its possible that there are 2 Tobis, Madara played the role of Tobi until he had Obito to pass it all along too pretty much the only problem for Obito being Tobi is the timeline, but if someone else handled being Tobi until Obito was ready (which was when he went out to attack Konoha) then it can all make sense and the only thing that needs to be explained is his growth spurt i think you're stretching a lot. The guy's points are pretty sound. Using a Zetsu to make himself look taller? C'mon lol. The fact that he was an adult when fighting the 4th and Kakashi/Gai were still runts should be proof enough. The Kyuubi didn't think Sasuke was Madara, he said that his chakra was as sinister as Madara's. im jsut pointing out that its not nearly as crazy as people seem to think that Tobi is Obito It is crazy for Tobi to be Obito actually.It fucking doesn't make sense. 15 year old kid having the power to control Kyuubi? That is cute indeed lol. Obito turning from low-tier(he was the worst among Kakashi generation) to God-Tier in a matter of 1-2 years with so much knowledge and power is so unreasonable. Not even the prodigy of the prodigies(Sasuke, Itachi) can achieve that much power . Sasuke could control the Kyuubi when hey first met after the time skip, controlling the Kyuubi isnt that hard and hes not god tier he just has super hax eyes that do all the work for him Sasuke was not controlling Kyuubi.He was just suppressing the Kyuubi chakra within Naruto subconscious. exactly he controlled the Kyuubi if the Kyuubi was outside Naruto he could ahve had it dancing a jig point is any uchiha can control the 9 tails its not that special the only hard part is getting close enough to it to cast the jutsu but with Tobis power thats easy mode You are just making up a scenario " IF X does that, Y goes like that ". how am i making up a scenario? Sasuke showed that hes completely able to control the Kyuubi
Then tell me when Sasuke can completely control Kyuubi when the Kyuubi is in Naruto stomach.
Sasuke has shown he can suppress the Kyuubi chakra within Naruto subconscious.
You are just making up a scenario where " If Kyuubi is outside,Sasuke can control it "
I could even say that " If Kyuubi is outside,he can just stomp Sasuke "
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On August 24 2012 00:38 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:30 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:27 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:18 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:17 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:14 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:07 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:01 Forikorder wrote:On August 23 2012 23:55 zidaneshead wrote:On August 23 2012 23:47 Forikorder wrote:
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he doesnt need to master it though, as long as he knows how to activate the jutsu and it works automatically then all he needs to do is let attacks pass through him and use the small sdvantage from the confusion to suck people in
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the Kyuubi thought Sasuke was Uchiha Madara...
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maybe he used a Zetsu to make himself look taller
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its possible that your wrong about the time line, you assume madara awakens rinnegan, gives to nagato, dies
but it could be Nagato was given Sharingan which since he has senju blood awakes the rinnegan, Madara sees this and uses the data from that to awakens it and then dies
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Tobi could have easily still be talking BS to look badass to Kabuto to make Kabuto think Tobi is stronger then he is he could be bluffing to make Kabuto keep lsitening to him
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unless Madara was the one who rescued Obito or had Zetsu rescue him and explain things to him
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its possible that there are 2 Tobis, Madara played the role of Tobi until he had Obito to pass it all along too
pretty much the only problem for Obito being Tobi is the timeline, but if someone else handled being Tobi until Obito was ready (which was when he went out to attack Konoha) then it can all make sense and the only thing that needs to be explained is his growth spurt i think you're stretching a lot. The guy's points are pretty sound. Using a Zetsu to make himself look taller? C'mon lol. The fact that he was an adult when fighting the 4th and Kakashi/Gai were still runts should be proof enough. The Kyuubi didn't think Sasuke was Madara, he said that his chakra was as sinister as Madara's. im jsut pointing out that its not nearly as crazy as people seem to think that Tobi is Obito It is crazy for Tobi to be Obito actually.It fucking doesn't make sense. 15 year old kid having the power to control Kyuubi? That is cute indeed lol. Obito turning from low-tier(he was the worst among Kakashi generation) to God-Tier in a matter of 1-2 years with so much knowledge and power is so unreasonable. Not even the prodigy of the prodigies(Sasuke, Itachi) can achieve that much power . Sasuke could control the Kyuubi when hey first met after the time skip, controlling the Kyuubi isnt that hard and hes not god tier he just has super hax eyes that do all the work for him Sasuke was not controlling Kyuubi.He was just suppressing the Kyuubi chakra within Naruto subconscious. exactly he controlled the Kyuubi if the Kyuubi was outside Naruto he could ahve had it dancing a jig point is any uchiha can control the 9 tails its not that special the only hard part is getting close enough to it to cast the jutsu but with Tobis power thats easy mode You are just making up a scenario " IF X does that, Y goes like that ". how am i making up a scenario? Sasuke showed that hes completely able to control the Kyuubi Then tell me when Sasuke completely control Kyuubi when the Kyuubi is in Naruto stomach. Sasuke has shown he can suppress the Kyuubi chakra within Naruto subconscious.
why does it matter if its within Narutos subconcious? Sasuke said go the kyuubi went, unwillingly
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On August 24 2012 00:39 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:38 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:30 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:27 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:18 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:17 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:14 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:07 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:01 Forikorder wrote:On August 23 2012 23:55 zidaneshead wrote:
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i think you're stretching a lot. The guy's points are pretty sound. Using a Zetsu to make himself look taller? C'mon lol. The fact that he was an adult when fighting the 4th and Kakashi/Gai were still runts should be proof enough. The Kyuubi didn't think Sasuke was Madara, he said that his chakra was as sinister as Madara's.
im jsut pointing out that its not nearly as crazy as people seem to think that Tobi is Obito It is crazy for Tobi to be Obito actually.It fucking doesn't make sense. 15 year old kid having the power to control Kyuubi? That is cute indeed lol. Obito turning from low-tier(he was the worst among Kakashi generation) to God-Tier in a matter of 1-2 years with so much knowledge and power is so unreasonable. Not even the prodigy of the prodigies(Sasuke, Itachi) can achieve that much power . Sasuke could control the Kyuubi when hey first met after the time skip, controlling the Kyuubi isnt that hard and hes not god tier he just has super hax eyes that do all the work for him Sasuke was not controlling Kyuubi.He was just suppressing the Kyuubi chakra within Naruto subconscious. exactly he controlled the Kyuubi if the Kyuubi was outside Naruto he could ahve had it dancing a jig point is any uchiha can control the 9 tails its not that special the only hard part is getting close enough to it to cast the jutsu but with Tobis power thats easy mode You are just making up a scenario " IF X does that, Y goes like that ". how am i making up a scenario? Sasuke showed that hes completely able to control the Kyuubi Then tell me when Sasuke completely control Kyuubi when the Kyuubi is in Naruto stomach. Sasuke has shown he can suppress the Kyuubi chakra within Naruto subconscious. why does it matter if its within Narutos subconcious? Sasuke said go the kyuubi went, unwillingly
Sasuke was just suppressing the Kyuubi chakra...................He was not controlling it.
This is what i called " controlling "http://mangafox.me/manga/naruto/v53/c501/8.html
Sasuke never did that to the Kyuubi within Naruto subconscious.
Not to mention during that period Sasuke was stronger than Naruto and Naruto was exhausted after fighting against Orochimaru during his rage transformation into the four-tailed form.
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On August 24 2012 00:44 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:39 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:38 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:30 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:27 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:18 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:17 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:14 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:07 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:01 Forikorder wrote:
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im jsut pointing out that its not nearly as crazy as people seem to think that Tobi is Obito It is crazy for Tobi to be Obito actually.It fucking doesn't make sense. 15 year old kid having the power to control Kyuubi? That is cute indeed lol. Obito turning from low-tier(he was the worst among Kakashi generation) to God-Tier in a matter of 1-2 years with so much knowledge and power is so unreasonable. Not even the prodigy of the prodigies(Sasuke, Itachi) can achieve that much power . Sasuke could control the Kyuubi when hey first met after the time skip, controlling the Kyuubi isnt that hard and hes not god tier he just has super hax eyes that do all the work for him Sasuke was not controlling Kyuubi.He was just suppressing the Kyuubi chakra within Naruto subconscious. exactly he controlled the Kyuubi if the Kyuubi was outside Naruto he could ahve had it dancing a jig point is any uchiha can control the 9 tails its not that special the only hard part is getting close enough to it to cast the jutsu but with Tobis power thats easy mode You are just making up a scenario " IF X does that, Y goes like that ". how am i making up a scenario? Sasuke showed that hes completely able to control the Kyuubi Then tell me when Sasuke completely control Kyuubi when the Kyuubi is in Naruto stomach. Sasuke has shown he can suppress the Kyuubi chakra within Naruto subconscious. why does it matter if its within Narutos subconcious? Sasuke said go the kyuubi went, unwillingly Sasuke was just suppressing the Kyuubi chakra.................. Not to mention during that period Sasuke was stronger than Naruto and Naruto was exhausted after fighting against Orochimaru during his rage transformation into the four-tailed form.
why does it matter how strong Naruto is? Sasuke isnt doing anything to Naruto hes doing stuff to the Kyuubi who was still in tip top shape and completely helpless VS Sasuke
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On August 24 2012 00:46 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:44 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:39 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:38 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:30 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:27 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:18 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:17 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:14 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:07 FakeDeath wrote:
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It is crazy for Tobi to be Obito actually.It fucking doesn't make sense.
15 year old kid having the power to control Kyuubi?
That is cute indeed lol.
Obito turning from low-tier(he was the worst among Kakashi generation) to God-Tier in a matter of 1-2 years with so much knowledge and power is so unreasonable.
Not even the prodigy of the prodigies(Sasuke, Itachi) can achieve that much power . Sasuke could control the Kyuubi when hey first met after the time skip, controlling the Kyuubi isnt that hard and hes not god tier he just has super hax eyes that do all the work for him Sasuke was not controlling Kyuubi.He was just suppressing the Kyuubi chakra within Naruto subconscious. exactly he controlled the Kyuubi if the Kyuubi was outside Naruto he could ahve had it dancing a jig point is any uchiha can control the 9 tails its not that special the only hard part is getting close enough to it to cast the jutsu but with Tobis power thats easy mode You are just making up a scenario " IF X does that, Y goes like that ". how am i making up a scenario? Sasuke showed that hes completely able to control the Kyuubi Then tell me when Sasuke completely control Kyuubi when the Kyuubi is in Naruto stomach. Sasuke has shown he can suppress the Kyuubi chakra within Naruto subconscious. why does it matter if its within Narutos subconcious? Sasuke said go the kyuubi went, unwillingly Sasuke was just suppressing the Kyuubi chakra.................. Not to mention during that period Sasuke was stronger than Naruto and Naruto was exhausted after fighting against Orochimaru during his rage transformation into the four-tailed form. why does it matter how strong Naruto is? Sasuke isnt doing anything to Naruto hes doing stuff to the Kyuubi who was still in tip top shape and completely helpless VS Sasuke
Because during that time Naruto does not have a happy link with the Kyuubi.
Now Naruto has that link and his chakra is now melded along with the Kyuubi so Sasuke can't do that anymore(suppress chakra)
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On August 24 2012 00:53 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:46 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:44 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:39 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:38 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:30 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:27 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:18 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:17 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:14 Forikorder wrote:
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Sasuke could control the Kyuubi when hey first met after the time skip, controlling the Kyuubi isnt that hard
and hes not god tier he just has super hax eyes that do all the work for him Sasuke was not controlling Kyuubi.He was just suppressing the Kyuubi chakra within Naruto subconscious. exactly he controlled the Kyuubi if the Kyuubi was outside Naruto he could ahve had it dancing a jig point is any uchiha can control the 9 tails its not that special the only hard part is getting close enough to it to cast the jutsu but with Tobis power thats easy mode You are just making up a scenario " IF X does that, Y goes like that ". how am i making up a scenario? Sasuke showed that hes completely able to control the Kyuubi Then tell me when Sasuke completely control Kyuubi when the Kyuubi is in Naruto stomach. Sasuke has shown he can suppress the Kyuubi chakra within Naruto subconscious. why does it matter if its within Narutos subconcious? Sasuke said go the kyuubi went, unwillingly Sasuke was just suppressing the Kyuubi chakra.................. Not to mention during that period Sasuke was stronger than Naruto and Naruto was exhausted after fighting against Orochimaru during his rage transformation into the four-tailed form. why does it matter how strong Naruto is? Sasuke isnt doing anything to Naruto hes doing stuff to the Kyuubi who was still in tip top shape and completely helpless VS Sasuke Because during that time Naruto does not have a happy link with the Kyuubi. Now Naruto has that link and his chakra is now melded along with the Kyuubi so Sasuke can't do that anymore(suppress chakra)
really loving the evidence you posted the Kyuubi and Naruto did not jsut perform the fusion dance, the only difference is that instead of Naruto sucking up the chakra taht leaked through the seal hes noe getting chakra directly from Kurama
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For the love of God, I don't understand why Obito's age plays a role in these discussions at all. From what we've seen of Tobi's face and abilities, Tobi is an old fucking man. The fact that Madara knew him also means Tobi must have been old. Therefore, if Tobi was Obito, then obviously Obito would have had to be a disguise/illusion/genjutsu/fake/surrogate body.
Thus, It doesn't make sense to assume that Obito grew up normally and then became Tobi after his fake death. Any qualms about Obito having to gain power quickly, etc, don't make sense.
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On August 24 2012 12:11 Courthead wrote:
For the love of God, I don't understand why Obito's age plays a role in these discussions at all. From what we've seen of Tobi's face and abilities, Tobi is an old fucking man. The fact that Madara knew him also means Tobi must have been old. Therefore, if Tobi was Obito, then obviously Obito would have had to be a disguise/illusion/genjutsu/fake/surrogate body.
Thus, It doesn't make sense to assume that Obito grew up normally and then became Tobi after his fake death. Any qualms about Obito having to gain power quickly, etc, don't make sense.
But if Obito was a disguise/illusion/genjutsu/fake/surrogate body, how and why would he give Kakashi his eye?
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It's gotta be Madara's brother Izuna and he somehow figured out immortality or to rapidly slow down his aging. That or Izuna invented Tobi, saved Obito on the bridge, then passed away and gave the identity of Tobi to Obito to carry on.
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On August 24 2012 12:22 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 12:11 Courthead wrote:
For the love of God, I don't understand why Obito's age plays a role in these discussions at all. From what we've seen of Tobi's face and abilities, Tobi is an old fucking man. The fact that Madara knew him also means Tobi must have been old. Therefore, if Tobi was Obito, then obviously Obito would have had to be a disguise/illusion/genjutsu/fake/surrogate body.
Thus, It doesn't make sense to assume that Obito grew up normally and then became Tobi after his fake death. Any qualms about Obito having to gain power quickly, etc, don't make sense. But if Obito was a disguise/illusion/genjutsu/fake/surrogate body, how and why would he give Kakashi his eye?
Just to be clear, I'm not saying that Tobi is Obito. I actually think Tobi is Izuna.
I'm just saying that if Tobi is Obito, then there are no time-related issues. It wouldn't have to mean that Obito went from being a noob to being super good in the span of a few years. Rather, it would mean that Obito was just pretending to be a noob all that time.
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On August 24 2012 13:27 Courthead wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 12:22 Olinim wrote:On August 24 2012 12:11 Courthead wrote:
For the love of God, I don't understand why Obito's age plays a role in these discussions at all. From what we've seen of Tobi's face and abilities, Tobi is an old fucking man. The fact that Madara knew him also means Tobi must have been old. Therefore, if Tobi was Obito, then obviously Obito would have had to be a disguise/illusion/genjutsu/fake/surrogate body.
Thus, It doesn't make sense to assume that Obito grew up normally and then became Tobi after his fake death. Any qualms about Obito having to gain power quickly, etc, don't make sense. But if Obito was a disguise/illusion/genjutsu/fake/surrogate body, how and why would he give Kakashi his eye? Just to be clear, I'm not saying that Tobi is Obito. I actually think Tobi is Izuna. I'm just saying that if Tobi is Obito, then there are no time-related issues. It wouldn't have to mean that Obito went from being a noob to being super good in the span of a few years. Rather, it would mean that Obito was just pretending to be a noob all that time.
Eh, either way seems pretty ridiculous to me, but giving his eye to Kakashi if he was simply pretending makes even less sense in my opinion.
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Fenrax
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I cant fucking wait for chapter 600 so all the Tobi IS Obito crap will once and for all be shut down. He might have Obito's eyes or even taken over his body Orochimaru-Style but he is not Obito. Read Forikorders post on the last page, he explained it very well.
It is like reading Hansel and Gretel to a group of people and the conversation went like this:
A: "oh i know, Gretel is the witch!!!"
B: "no she is not the witch how does that even make sense??? the witch is old but Gretel is young, the witch is evil but Gretel is good, the witch on Gretel were even talking to each other so they can't be the same person. And who built the candy house when Gretel spent all her life at home?"
A: "yeah but what if Gretel is the witch?"
my goodness...
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its madara's brother...wow you kids didnt know???? lawl...
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On August 24 2012 16:53 Fenrax wrote:
I cant fucking wait for chapter 600 so all the Tobi IS Obito crap will once and for all be shut down. He might have Obito's eyes or even taken over his body Orochimaru-Style but he is not Obito. Read Forikorders post on the last page, he explained it very well.
It is like reading Hansel and Gretel to a group of people and the conversation went like this:
A: "oh i know, Gretel is the witch!!!"
B: "no she is not the witch how does that even make sense??? the witch is old but Gretel is young, the witch is evil but Gretel is good, the witch on Gretel were even talking to each other so they can't be the same person. And who built the candy house when Gretel spent all her life at home?"
A: "yeah but what if Gretel is the witch?"
my goodness...
still better than bleach lol.
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I bet next chapter Kishimoto will suddenly switch to Sasuke and we won't know Tobi's true identity for another 10 chapters or so.
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I predict. Rasengan destroys Tobi's mask and his face thus he will stay unknown.
Why will this happen? Kishi now doesnt have to explain all the loop holes and gaps if he doesnt reveal who Tobi is ^^
Haha. JK
I really wonder who he is lol
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honestly the lack of deductive logic used in this thread is at an all time high, just lol. tobi is not obito, every evidence provided points to that. if you can't logically conclude this outcome, we'll i feel sorry for you and the time you wasted.
and to those who said sasuke can control the kyubis...just lol...
the kyubi was INSIDE naruto, still INSIDE the seal (hence the portrayal of him behind the prison gates)
the representation of him was the leaked chakra coming from him. all sasuke did was destroy that / suppress it. in no way shape or form could sasuke have controlled the kyubi's outside naruto.
and if you can't comprehend this fact, everything involved in using the kyubi's chakra takes a form of his body as naruto has just previously shown. (to stop the attack he used his mouth) (to used a range attack the hands and length form)
so anything of the kyubi's charkra pretty much has the kyubi's figure within it, along with the fact most of teh time the kyubi's can voice his opinion through it unless he lets naruto take complete control of it, but in no way does that mean the kyubi's himself.
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Hmm if its Izuna behind the mask, shouldn't he have Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan where his eye would look like a mixture between his Mangekyou sharingan and obito's Mangekyou sharingan? Am I missing something? Only thing I can think of is incompatibility but if that was the case would Izuna be able to even access just normal Mangekyou Sharingan? Page 8 of recent chapter shows Tobi's eye compared to kakashi's.
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