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Im just going to throw this theory out there no matter how far fetch it may sound but here it goes. Tobi is Yamato. Im done. It makes enough sense. He has the first power and he couldve stolen the sharingan. Since the writer of naruto left so many open doors for tobi could still be anyone.
One thing is for sure Orchi will be the last boss in naruto chapter.
Yeah I do believe that the writer was writing the story as the chapter went on. Seriously bring Orchi back with the gay cursed seal was retarded and was not fully thought thru. Orchi couldve bitten billions of people and once he died, he couldve had a apprentice awaken him like how sasuke did. Why look for immortality when u have it in your possession.
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The Orochimaru revival thing reminds me so much of the horcruxes and Voldermort from Harry Potter. Gotta get rid of all the curse seals before he can be killed.
Anyone else also wondered why for the amount he has used Kamui that Tobi doesn't lose his eye sight ever? Even Kakashi said that he had already experienced a loss in sight when he first met Itachi after Shippuden started.
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SMH, how does Tobi of all people fall for the good ole, kage bunshin feint into rasengan TT. Rasengan has been busting villains since 1999.
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Im just going to throw this theory out there no matter how far fetch it may sound but here it goes. Tobi is Yamato. Im done. It makes enough sense. He has the first power and he couldve stolen the sharingan. Since the writer of naruto left so many open doors for tobi could still be anyone.
One thing is for sure Orchi will be the last boss in naruto chapter.
Yeah I do believe that the writer was writing the story as the chapter went on. Seriously bring Orchi back with the gay cursed seal was retarded and was not fully thought thru. Orchi couldve bitten billions of people and once he died, he couldve had a apprentice awaken him like how sasuke did. Why look for immortality when u have it in your possession.
its one thing to say its someone with small evidence but your only evidence that its Yamato is because he has the firsts cells?
also despite it seeming to be easy, what Sasuke did was not easy he needed Jugo and he needed the experience of feeling Kakashi seal the seal so he could try to reverse that not everyone could ressurect Orochimaru and its alot more like cloning him the original Orochimaru is still dead, also Sasuke will be the final boss
its like that movie where the guy invents a machine that creates a clone and teleports one of them a short distance and the guy uses the machine not knowing if hes the one that goes into the tank and dies or teleports and lives
The Orochimaru revival thing reminds me so much of the horcruxes and Voldermort from Harry Potter. Gotta get rid of all the curse seals before he can be killed.
they are all gone, Ankos was used to rez him, Sasukes was removed against Itachi so noone has a cursed seal anymore
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Fenrax
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Tobi is not Yamato...
He was on the Konoha team that was stopped by Tobi while Sasuke fought Itachi. So I guess this otherwise absolutely logical theory with no logic flaws can be discarded.
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it was pretty obvious to me that when sasuke killed orochimaru that it wouldn't be his end. i always knew he would come back because that is the nature of his character. he always was seeking immortality and ways to extend his life so i knew one way or another he would come back. like mentioned above its akin to voldemort and the horcruxes.
can't wait to find out who tobi is.
also you guys are dreaming if you think kishi just makes this stuff up as he goes along. of course he knew who tobi was from the start. the dude is obviously a genius. he's already done more in his life with naruto then the rest of you combined will do with your entire lives. and i'm pretty sure he knows how to plot things out. if you armchair critics think you can outdo him and write a better series then go ahead lol.
people literally just randomly say that things are plot holes when they all make perfect sense within the context of the naruto world.
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Obv Kishis predestined plan was for Tobi to exist for the sole reason of Kakashi getting a new eye so he won't become blind.
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On August 23 2012 15:25 Epoch wrote:
it was pretty obvious to me that when sasuke killed orochimaru that it wouldn't be his end. i always knew he would come back because that is the nature of his character. he always was seeking immortality and ways to extend his life so i knew one way or another he would come back. like mentioned above its akin to voldemort and the horcruxes.
can't wait to find out who tobi is.
also you guys are dreaming if you think kishi just makes this stuff up as he goes along. of course he knew who tobi was from the start. the dude is obviously a genius. he's already done more in his life with naruto then the rest of you combined will do with your entire lives. and i'm pretty sure he knows how to plot things out. if you armchair critics think you can outdo him and write a better series then go ahead lol.
people literally just randomly say that things are plot holes when they all make perfect sense within the context of the naruto world.
Lol, the 'you cant criticize if you havent done the same thing in your lifetime' argument. How cute.
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On August 23 2012 15:25 Epoch wrote:
also you guys are dreaming if you think kishi just makes this stuff up as he goes along. of course he knew who tobi was from the start. the dude is obviously a genius. he's already done more in his life with naruto then the rest of you combined will do with your entire lives. and i'm pretty sure he knows how to plot things out. if you armchair critics think you can outdo him and write a better series then go ahead lol.
you sound like youre 12 years old with that argument dude. The whole idea that you cant criticize something if you haven't done better is idiotic and simpleminded. Do you dislike Obama or did you dislike Bush? Shut up, until you become president AND do a better job than them then you cant be a critic. See how retarded that argument is?
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On August 23 2012 17:47 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 15:25 Epoch wrote:
also you guys are dreaming if you think kishi just makes this stuff up as he goes along. of course he knew who tobi was from the start. the dude is obviously a genius. he's already done more in his life with naruto then the rest of you combined will do with your entire lives. and i'm pretty sure he knows how to plot things out. if you armchair critics think you can outdo him and write a better series then go ahead lol.
you sound like youre 12 years old with that argument dude. The whole idea that you cant criticize something if you haven't done better is idiotic and simpleminded. Do you dislike Obama or did you dislike Bush? Shut up, until you become president AND do a better job than them then you cant be a critic. See how retarded that argument is?
No, not at all.
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also you guys are dreaming if you think kishi just makes this stuff up as he goes along. of course he knew who tobi was from the start. the dude is obviously a genius. he's already done more in his life with naruto then the rest of you combined will do with your entire lives. and i'm pretty sure he knows how to plot things out. if you armchair critics think you can outdo him and write a better series then go ahead lol.
no theres some pretty good reasons to show that he didnt have every single detail of Naruto already written out when he sat down to draw the first chapter
logic being one of them of course
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Guys i will tell you why Tobi cannot be Obito
Plothole Number 1: Tobi’s Power Level (chapters 500-504)
There is no way Obito could turn into an alpha dog shinobi who mastered S/T phasing and teleportation within a 1-2 year time frame. At 15 years old? No way... There is also no way Obito would know how to extract the Kyuubi, hypnotize it, control it like a puppet, and then summon it wherever the hell he wants to. And all of this is supposed to have happened 1-2 years after Obito supposedly died? That’s just not feasible.
Plothole Number 2: Personality U-turn (chapter 241 page 19)
"Of course those in the ninja world who break the rules and regulations are called trash... but those who don’t care about their companions are even worse than trash." Will of Fire talk from Obito. It makes no sense for him to suddenly manifest this unwavering vendetta against Konoha unless Tobi is just using Obito’s body as a vessel, in which case, Tobi isn’t really Obito anyway because his soul and spirit have nothing to do with it.
Plothole Number 3: Kushina Quote (chapter 501 page 7)
"Do you have ANY idea how long I’ve waited for this moment?" It’s a complete contradiction for Obito to say something like that when, hypothetically, he wouldn’t have been alive long enough to make that type of comment because Obito would have been 15 years old if he fought Minato. Tobi has probably had to wait DECADES for the opportunity to extract the Kyuubi from its host.
Plothole Number 4: Kyuubi recognised Tobi (chapter 501 page 8)
The Kyuubi actually recognises Tobi and possibly knows who he is. If THAT doesn’t convince you, nothing will. The Kyuubi made a direct transfer from being sealed into Mito to being sealed into Kushina, so there is a fundamental contradiction for the Kyuubi to recognise anyone in the outside world when it was sealed for all that time. If the Kyuubi actually recognised Tobi, it means Tobi has to be someone who was alive during Hashirama/Madara’s generation.
Plothole Number 5: Tobi is too tall (chapter 503 page 9)
Tobi was shown to be adult sized when he fought Minato, chapter 503 page 5. But on page 9, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai are all shown to be much shorter as they are going through adolescence. Obito would have been around that size and is therefore too short to be Tobi.
Plothole Number 6: Minato would’ve figured it out (chapter 500-504)
If Tobi was really Obito, then Minato would have figured it out when they were fighting each other. Obito was Minato’s own student and would have recognised his chakra, but he didn’t.
Plothole Number 7: This is HIS doing (chapter 560 page 2)
"This is HIS doing." That means Madara knows exactly who Tobi is, but there is no way Madara could have worked with Obito because Madara had died already. We know this because by the time Nagato gets Madara's Rinnegan from Tobi, Madara is officially dead - "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death." (chapter 560 page 15). This is important because Nagato is older than Minato, and Minato is older than Obito.
Plothole Number 8: Hashirama Comparison (chapter 462 page 14)
Tobi says to Naruto "I can see the first Hokage in you." To make that type of comparison Tobi must have known what Hashirama was like as a person. Problem is, Hashirama was dead before Obito was born.
Plothole Number 9: During Our Battle (chapter 512 page 9)
"This is something I grew from living tissue I stole from him during our battle." Kabuto already revealed the Madara coffin so there was no reason for Tobi to keep lying. So if Tobi actually had a fight with Hashirama there is no way he could be Obito.
Plothole Number 10: Too Much Knowledge
It is impossible for Obito to know so much about the bloody history between the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan before Konoha was even established as a shinobi village. Tobi has to be someone from that generation. It is also impossible for Obito to know so much about Rikudou Sennin, his sons, the Bijuu and the Juubi.
THE BIGGEST PLOTHOLE OF THEM ALL
Plothole Number 11: Nagato is much older than Obito
Why is this important? Because Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato.
Unless Kishi hardcore ret-conned the shit out of this, Tobi cannot be Obito.
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Plothole Number 1: Tobi’s Power Level (chapters 500-504)
There is no way Obito could turn into an alpha dog shinobi who mastered S/T phasing and teleportation within a 1-2 year time frame. At 15 years old? No way... There is also no way Obito would know how to extract the Kyuubi, hypnotize it, control it like a puppet, and then summon it wherever the hell he wants to. And all of this is supposed to have happened 1-2 years after Obito supposedly died? That’s just not feasible.
he doesnt need to master it though, as long as he knows how to activate the jutsu and it works automatically then all he needs to do is let attacks pass through him and use the small sdvantage from the confusion to suck people in
Plothole Number 4: Kyuubi recognised Tobi (chapter 501 page 8)
The Kyuubi actually recognises Tobi and possibly knows who he is. If THAT doesn’t convince you, nothing will. The Kyuubi made a direct transfer from being sealed into Mito to being sealed into Kushina, so there is a fundamental contradiction for the Kyuubi to recognise anyone in the outside world when it was sealed for all that time. If the Kyuubi actually recognised Tobi, it means Tobi has to be someone who was alive during Hashirama/Madara’s generation.
the Kyuubi thought Sasuke was Uchiha Madara...
Plothole Number 5: Tobi is too tall (chapter 503 page 9)
Tobi was shown to be adult sized when he fought Minato, chapter 503 page 5. But on page 9, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai are all shown to be much shorter as they are going through adolescence. Obito would have been around that size and is therefore too short to be Tobi.
maybe he used a Zetsu to make himself look taller
Plothole Number 7: This is HIS doing (chapter 560 page 2)
"This is HIS doing." That means Madara knows exactly who Tobi is, but there is no way Madara could have worked with Obito because Madara had died already. We know this because by the time Nagato gets Madara's Rinnegan from Tobi, Madara is officially dead - "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death." (chapter 560 page 15). This is important because Nagato is older than Minato, and Minato is older than Obito.
its possible that your wrong about the time line, you assume madara awakens rinnegan, gives to nagato, dies
but it could be Nagato was given Sharingan which since he has senju blood awakes the rinnegan, Madara sees this and uses the data from that to awakens it and then dies
Plothole Number 9: During Our Battle (chapter 512 page 9)
"This is something I grew from living tissue I stole from him during our battle." Kabuto already revealed the Madara coffin so there was no reason for Tobi to keep lying. So if Tobi actually had a fight with Hashirama there is no way he could be Obito .
Tobi could have easily still be talking BS to look badass to Kabuto to make Kabuto think Tobi is stronger then he is he could be bluffing to make Kabuto keep lsitening to him
Plothole Number 10: Too Much Knowledge
It is impossible for Obito to know so much about the bloody history between the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan before Konoha was even established as a shinobi village. Tobi has to be someone from that generation. It is also impossible for Obito to know so much about Rikudou Sennin, his sons, the Bijuu and the Juubi.
unless Madara was the one who rescued Obito or had Zetsu rescue him and explain things to him
THE BIGGEST PLOTHOLE OF THEM ALL
Plothole Number 11: Nagato is much older than Obito
Why is this important? Because Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato.
Unless Kishi hardcore ret-conned the shit out of this, Tobi cannot be Obito.
its possible that there are 2 Tobis, Madara played the role of Tobi until he had Obito to pass it all along too
pretty much the only problem for Obito being Tobi is the timeline, but if someone else handled being Tobi until Obito was ready (which was when he went out to attack Konoha) then it can all make sense and the only thing that needs to be explained is his growth spurt
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On August 23 2012 23:47 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +Plothole Number 1: Tobi’s Power Level (chapters 500-504)
There is no way Obito could turn into an alpha dog shinobi who mastered S/T phasing and teleportation within a 1-2 year time frame. At 15 years old? No way... There is also no way Obito would know how to extract the Kyuubi, hypnotize it, control it like a puppet, and then summon it wherever the hell he wants to. And all of this is supposed to have happened 1-2 years after Obito supposedly died? That’s just not feasible. he doesnt need to master it though, as long as he knows how to activate the jutsu and it works automatically then all he needs to do is let attacks pass through him and use the small sdvantage from the confusion to suck people in Show nested quote +Plothole Number 4: Kyuubi recognised Tobi (chapter 501 page 8)
The Kyuubi actually recognises Tobi and possibly knows who he is. If THAT doesn’t convince you, nothing will. The Kyuubi made a direct transfer from being sealed into Mito to being sealed into Kushina, so there is a fundamental contradiction for the Kyuubi to recognise anyone in the outside world when it was sealed for all that time. If the Kyuubi actually recognised Tobi, it means Tobi has to be someone who was alive during Hashirama/Madara’s generation. the Kyuubi thought Sasuke was Uchiha Madara... Show nested quote +Plothole Number 5: Tobi is too tall (chapter 503 page 9)
Tobi was shown to be adult sized when he fought Minato, chapter 503 page 5. But on page 9, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai are all shown to be much shorter as they are going through adolescence. Obito would have been around that size and is therefore too short to be Tobi.
maybe he used a Zetsu to make himself look taller Show nested quote +Plothole Number 7: This is HIS doing (chapter 560 page 2)
"This is HIS doing." That means Madara knows exactly who Tobi is, but there is no way Madara could have worked with Obito because Madara had died already. We know this because by the time Nagato gets Madara's Rinnegan from Tobi, Madara is officially dead - "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death." (chapter 560 page 15). This is important because Nagato is older than Minato, and Minato is older than Obito. its possible that your wrong about the time line, you assume madara awakens rinnegan, gives to nagato, dies but it could be Nagato was given Sharingan which since he has senju blood awakes the rinnegan, Madara sees this and uses the data from that to awakens it and then dies Show nested quote +Plothole Number 9: During Our Battle (chapter 512 page 9)
"This is something I grew from living tissue I stole from him during our battle." Kabuto already revealed the Madara coffin so there was no reason for Tobi to keep lying. So if Tobi actually had a fight with Hashirama there is no way he could be Obito . Tobi could have easily still be talking BS to look badass to Kabuto to make Kabuto think Tobi is stronger then he is he could be bluffing to make Kabuto keep lsitening to him Show nested quote +Plothole Number 10: Too Much Knowledge
It is impossible for Obito to know so much about the bloody history between the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan before Konoha was even established as a shinobi village. Tobi has to be someone from that generation. It is also impossible for Obito to know so much about Rikudou Sennin, his sons, the Bijuu and the Juubi.
unless Madara was the one who rescued Obito or had Zetsu rescue him and explain things to him Show nested quote +THE BIGGEST PLOTHOLE OF THEM ALL
Plothole Number 11: Nagato is much older than Obito
Why is this important? Because Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato.
Unless Kishi hardcore ret-conned the shit out of this, Tobi cannot be Obito. its possible that there are 2 Tobis, Madara played the role of Tobi until he had Obito to pass it all along too pretty much the only problem for Obito being Tobi is the timeline, but if someone else handled being Tobi until Obito was ready (which was when he went out to attack Konoha) then it can all make sense and the only thing that needs to be explained is his growth spurt
i think you're stretching a lot. The guy's points are pretty sound. Using a Zetsu to make himself look taller? C'mon lol. The fact that he was an adult when fighting the 4th and Kakashi/Gai were still runts should be proof enough. The Kyuubi didn't think Sasuke was Madara, he said that his chakra was as sinister as Madara's.
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On August 23 2012 23:55 zidaneshead wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 23:47 Forikorder wrote:Plothole Number 1: Tobi’s Power Level (chapters 500-504)
There is no way Obito could turn into an alpha dog shinobi who mastered S/T phasing and teleportation within a 1-2 year time frame. At 15 years old? No way... There is also no way Obito would know how to extract the Kyuubi, hypnotize it, control it like a puppet, and then summon it wherever the hell he wants to. And all of this is supposed to have happened 1-2 years after Obito supposedly died? That’s just not feasible. he doesnt need to master it though, as long as he knows how to activate the jutsu and it works automatically then all he needs to do is let attacks pass through him and use the small sdvantage from the confusion to suck people in Plothole Number 4: Kyuubi recognised Tobi (chapter 501 page 8)
The Kyuubi actually recognises Tobi and possibly knows who he is. If THAT doesn’t convince you, nothing will. The Kyuubi made a direct transfer from being sealed into Mito to being sealed into Kushina, so there is a fundamental contradiction for the Kyuubi to recognise anyone in the outside world when it was sealed for all that time. If the Kyuubi actually recognised Tobi, it means Tobi has to be someone who was alive during Hashirama/Madara’s generation. the Kyuubi thought Sasuke was Uchiha Madara... Plothole Number 5: Tobi is too tall (chapter 503 page 9)
Tobi was shown to be adult sized when he fought Minato, chapter 503 page 5. But on page 9, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai are all shown to be much shorter as they are going through adolescence. Obito would have been around that size and is therefore too short to be Tobi.
maybe he used a Zetsu to make himself look taller Plothole Number 7: This is HIS doing (chapter 560 page 2)
"This is HIS doing." That means Madara knows exactly who Tobi is, but there is no way Madara could have worked with Obito because Madara had died already. We know this because by the time Nagato gets Madara's Rinnegan from Tobi, Madara is officially dead - "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death." (chapter 560 page 15). This is important because Nagato is older than Minato, and Minato is older than Obito. its possible that your wrong about the time line, you assume madara awakens rinnegan, gives to nagato, dies but it could be Nagato was given Sharingan which since he has senju blood awakes the rinnegan, Madara sees this and uses the data from that to awakens it and then dies Plothole Number 9: During Our Battle (chapter 512 page 9)
"This is something I grew from living tissue I stole from him during our battle." Kabuto already revealed the Madara coffin so there was no reason for Tobi to keep lying. So if Tobi actually had a fight with Hashirama there is no way he could be Obito . Tobi could have easily still be talking BS to look badass to Kabuto to make Kabuto think Tobi is stronger then he is he could be bluffing to make Kabuto keep lsitening to him Plothole Number 10: Too Much Knowledge
It is impossible for Obito to know so much about the bloody history between the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan before Konoha was even established as a shinobi village. Tobi has to be someone from that generation. It is also impossible for Obito to know so much about Rikudou Sennin, his sons, the Bijuu and the Juubi.
unless Madara was the one who rescued Obito or had Zetsu rescue him and explain things to him THE BIGGEST PLOTHOLE OF THEM ALL
Plothole Number 11: Nagato is much older than Obito
Why is this important? Because Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato.
Unless Kishi hardcore ret-conned the shit out of this, Tobi cannot be Obito. its possible that there are 2 Tobis, Madara played the role of Tobi until he had Obito to pass it all along too pretty much the only problem for Obito being Tobi is the timeline, but if someone else handled being Tobi until Obito was ready (which was when he went out to attack Konoha) then it can all make sense and the only thing that needs to be explained is his growth spurt i think you're stretching a lot. The guy's points are pretty sound. Using a Zetsu to make himself look taller? C'mon lol. The fact that he was an adult when fighting the 4th and Kakashi/Gai were still runts should be proof enough. The Kyuubi didn't think Sasuke was Madara, he said that his chakra was as sinister as Madara's.
im jsut pointing out that its not nearly as crazy as people seem to think that Tobi is Obito
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On August 24 2012 00:01 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 23:55 zidaneshead wrote:On August 23 2012 23:47 Forikorder wrote:Plothole Number 1: Tobi’s Power Level (chapters 500-504)
There is no way Obito could turn into an alpha dog shinobi who mastered S/T phasing and teleportation within a 1-2 year time frame. At 15 years old? No way... There is also no way Obito would know how to extract the Kyuubi, hypnotize it, control it like a puppet, and then summon it wherever the hell he wants to. And all of this is supposed to have happened 1-2 years after Obito supposedly died? That’s just not feasible. he doesnt need to master it though, as long as he knows how to activate the jutsu and it works automatically then all he needs to do is let attacks pass through him and use the small sdvantage from the confusion to suck people in Plothole Number 4: Kyuubi recognised Tobi (chapter 501 page 8)
The Kyuubi actually recognises Tobi and possibly knows who he is. If THAT doesn’t convince you, nothing will. The Kyuubi made a direct transfer from being sealed into Mito to being sealed into Kushina, so there is a fundamental contradiction for the Kyuubi to recognise anyone in the outside world when it was sealed for all that time. If the Kyuubi actually recognised Tobi, it means Tobi has to be someone who was alive during Hashirama/Madara’s generation. the Kyuubi thought Sasuke was Uchiha Madara... Plothole Number 5: Tobi is too tall (chapter 503 page 9)
Tobi was shown to be adult sized when he fought Minato, chapter 503 page 5. But on page 9, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai are all shown to be much shorter as they are going through adolescence. Obito would have been around that size and is therefore too short to be Tobi.
maybe he used a Zetsu to make himself look taller Plothole Number 7: This is HIS doing (chapter 560 page 2)
"This is HIS doing." That means Madara knows exactly who Tobi is, but there is no way Madara could have worked with Obito because Madara had died already. We know this because by the time Nagato gets Madara's Rinnegan from Tobi, Madara is officially dead - "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death." (chapter 560 page 15). This is important because Nagato is older than Minato, and Minato is older than Obito. its possible that your wrong about the time line, you assume madara awakens rinnegan, gives to nagato, dies but it could be Nagato was given Sharingan which since he has senju blood awakes the rinnegan, Madara sees this and uses the data from that to awakens it and then dies Plothole Number 9: During Our Battle (chapter 512 page 9)
"This is something I grew from living tissue I stole from him during our battle." Kabuto already revealed the Madara coffin so there was no reason for Tobi to keep lying. So if Tobi actually had a fight with Hashirama there is no way he could be Obito . Tobi could have easily still be talking BS to look badass to Kabuto to make Kabuto think Tobi is stronger then he is he could be bluffing to make Kabuto keep lsitening to him Plothole Number 10: Too Much Knowledge
It is impossible for Obito to know so much about the bloody history between the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan before Konoha was even established as a shinobi village. Tobi has to be someone from that generation. It is also impossible for Obito to know so much about Rikudou Sennin, his sons, the Bijuu and the Juubi.
unless Madara was the one who rescued Obito or had Zetsu rescue him and explain things to him THE BIGGEST PLOTHOLE OF THEM ALL
Plothole Number 11: Nagato is much older than Obito
Why is this important? Because Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato.
Unless Kishi hardcore ret-conned the shit out of this, Tobi cannot be Obito. its possible that there are 2 Tobis, Madara played the role of Tobi until he had Obito to pass it all along too pretty much the only problem for Obito being Tobi is the timeline, but if someone else handled being Tobi until Obito was ready (which was when he went out to attack Konoha) then it can all make sense and the only thing that needs to be explained is his growth spurt i think you're stretching a lot. The guy's points are pretty sound. Using a Zetsu to make himself look taller? C'mon lol. The fact that he was an adult when fighting the 4th and Kakashi/Gai were still runts should be proof enough. The Kyuubi didn't think Sasuke was Madara, he said that his chakra was as sinister as Madara's. im jsut pointing out that its not nearly as crazy as people seem to think that Tobi is Obito
It is crazy for Tobi to be Obito actually.It fucking doesn't make sense.
15 year old kid having the power to control Kyuubi?
That is cute indeed lol.
Obito turning from low-tier(he was the worst among Kakashi generation) to God-Tier in a matter of 1-2 years with so much knowledge and power is so unreasonable.
Not even the prodigy of the prodigies(Sasuke, Itachi) can achieve that much power .
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On August 24 2012 00:07 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:01 Forikorder wrote:On August 23 2012 23:55 zidaneshead wrote:On August 23 2012 23:47 Forikorder wrote:Plothole Number 1: Tobi’s Power Level (chapters 500-504)
There is no way Obito could turn into an alpha dog shinobi who mastered S/T phasing and teleportation within a 1-2 year time frame. At 15 years old? No way... There is also no way Obito would know how to extract the Kyuubi, hypnotize it, control it like a puppet, and then summon it wherever the hell he wants to. And all of this is supposed to have happened 1-2 years after Obito supposedly died? That’s just not feasible. he doesnt need to master it though, as long as he knows how to activate the jutsu and it works automatically then all he needs to do is let attacks pass through him and use the small sdvantage from the confusion to suck people in Plothole Number 4: Kyuubi recognised Tobi (chapter 501 page 8)
The Kyuubi actually recognises Tobi and possibly knows who he is. If THAT doesn’t convince you, nothing will. The Kyuubi made a direct transfer from being sealed into Mito to being sealed into Kushina, so there is a fundamental contradiction for the Kyuubi to recognise anyone in the outside world when it was sealed for all that time. If the Kyuubi actually recognised Tobi, it means Tobi has to be someone who was alive during Hashirama/Madara’s generation. the Kyuubi thought Sasuke was Uchiha Madara... Plothole Number 5: Tobi is too tall (chapter 503 page 9)
Tobi was shown to be adult sized when he fought Minato, chapter 503 page 5. But on page 9, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai are all shown to be much shorter as they are going through adolescence. Obito would have been around that size and is therefore too short to be Tobi.
maybe he used a Zetsu to make himself look taller Plothole Number 7: This is HIS doing (chapter 560 page 2)
"This is HIS doing." That means Madara knows exactly who Tobi is, but there is no way Madara could have worked with Obito because Madara had died already. We know this because by the time Nagato gets Madara's Rinnegan from Tobi, Madara is officially dead - "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death." (chapter 560 page 15). This is important because Nagato is older than Minato, and Minato is older than Obito. its possible that your wrong about the time line, you assume madara awakens rinnegan, gives to nagato, dies but it could be Nagato was given Sharingan which since he has senju blood awakes the rinnegan, Madara sees this and uses the data from that to awakens it and then dies Plothole Number 9: During Our Battle (chapter 512 page 9)
"This is something I grew from living tissue I stole from him during our battle." Kabuto already revealed the Madara coffin so there was no reason for Tobi to keep lying. So if Tobi actually had a fight with Hashirama there is no way he could be Obito . Tobi could have easily still be talking BS to look badass to Kabuto to make Kabuto think Tobi is stronger then he is he could be bluffing to make Kabuto keep lsitening to him Plothole Number 10: Too Much Knowledge
It is impossible for Obito to know so much about the bloody history between the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan before Konoha was even established as a shinobi village. Tobi has to be someone from that generation. It is also impossible for Obito to know so much about Rikudou Sennin, his sons, the Bijuu and the Juubi.
unless Madara was the one who rescued Obito or had Zetsu rescue him and explain things to him THE BIGGEST PLOTHOLE OF THEM ALL
Plothole Number 11: Nagato is much older than Obito
Why is this important? Because Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato.
Unless Kishi hardcore ret-conned the shit out of this, Tobi cannot be Obito. its possible that there are 2 Tobis, Madara played the role of Tobi until he had Obito to pass it all along too pretty much the only problem for Obito being Tobi is the timeline, but if someone else handled being Tobi until Obito was ready (which was when he went out to attack Konoha) then it can all make sense and the only thing that needs to be explained is his growth spurt i think you're stretching a lot. The guy's points are pretty sound. Using a Zetsu to make himself look taller? C'mon lol. The fact that he was an adult when fighting the 4th and Kakashi/Gai were still runts should be proof enough. The Kyuubi didn't think Sasuke was Madara, he said that his chakra was as sinister as Madara's. im jsut pointing out that its not nearly as crazy as people seem to think that Tobi is Obito It is crazy for Tobi to be Obito actually.It fucking doesn't make sense. 15 year old kid having the power to control Kyuubi? That is cute indeed lol. Obito turning from low-tier(he was the worst among Kakashi generation) to God-Tier in a matter of 1-2 years with so much knowledge and power is so unreasonable. Not even the prodigy of the prodigies(Sasuke, Itachi) can achieve that much power .
Sasuke could control the Kyuubi when hey first met after the time skip, controlling the Kyuubi isnt that hard
and hes not god tier he just has super hax eyes that do all the work for him
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who knows maybe obito as a 4year old gave nagato the rinnegan and just went undercover. This is kishimoto we're talking about
LOL seriously, must be kagami. Why the fuck would kishi introduce danzo's squad with an uchiha? At best they should entrust the position with a highly capable one at the level of itachi, since it's the hokage's squad on some class SSS mission.
That already speaks for his potentials.
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On August 24 2012 00:14 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:07 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:01 Forikorder wrote:On August 23 2012 23:55 zidaneshead wrote:On August 23 2012 23:47 Forikorder wrote:Plothole Number 1: Tobi’s Power Level (chapters 500-504)
There is no way Obito could turn into an alpha dog shinobi who mastered S/T phasing and teleportation within a 1-2 year time frame. At 15 years old? No way... There is also no way Obito would know how to extract the Kyuubi, hypnotize it, control it like a puppet, and then summon it wherever the hell he wants to. And all of this is supposed to have happened 1-2 years after Obito supposedly died? That’s just not feasible. he doesnt need to master it though, as long as he knows how to activate the jutsu and it works automatically then all he needs to do is let attacks pass through him and use the small sdvantage from the confusion to suck people in Plothole Number 4: Kyuubi recognised Tobi (chapter 501 page 8)
The Kyuubi actually recognises Tobi and possibly knows who he is. If THAT doesn’t convince you, nothing will. The Kyuubi made a direct transfer from being sealed into Mito to being sealed into Kushina, so there is a fundamental contradiction for the Kyuubi to recognise anyone in the outside world when it was sealed for all that time. If the Kyuubi actually recognised Tobi, it means Tobi has to be someone who was alive during Hashirama/Madara’s generation. the Kyuubi thought Sasuke was Uchiha Madara... Plothole Number 5: Tobi is too tall (chapter 503 page 9)
Tobi was shown to be adult sized when he fought Minato, chapter 503 page 5. But on page 9, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai are all shown to be much shorter as they are going through adolescence. Obito would have been around that size and is therefore too short to be Tobi.
maybe he used a Zetsu to make himself look taller Plothole Number 7: This is HIS doing (chapter 560 page 2)
"This is HIS doing." That means Madara knows exactly who Tobi is, but there is no way Madara could have worked with Obito because Madara had died already. We know this because by the time Nagato gets Madara's Rinnegan from Tobi, Madara is officially dead - "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death." (chapter 560 page 15). This is important because Nagato is older than Minato, and Minato is older than Obito. its possible that your wrong about the time line, you assume madara awakens rinnegan, gives to nagato, dies but it could be Nagato was given Sharingan which since he has senju blood awakes the rinnegan, Madara sees this and uses the data from that to awakens it and then dies Plothole Number 9: During Our Battle (chapter 512 page 9)
"This is something I grew from living tissue I stole from him during our battle." Kabuto already revealed the Madara coffin so there was no reason for Tobi to keep lying. So if Tobi actually had a fight with Hashirama there is no way he could be Obito . Tobi could have easily still be talking BS to look badass to Kabuto to make Kabuto think Tobi is stronger then he is he could be bluffing to make Kabuto keep lsitening to him Plothole Number 10: Too Much Knowledge
It is impossible for Obito to know so much about the bloody history between the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan before Konoha was even established as a shinobi village. Tobi has to be someone from that generation. It is also impossible for Obito to know so much about Rikudou Sennin, his sons, the Bijuu and the Juubi.
unless Madara was the one who rescued Obito or had Zetsu rescue him and explain things to him THE BIGGEST PLOTHOLE OF THEM ALL
Plothole Number 11: Nagato is much older than Obito
Why is this important? Because Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato.
Unless Kishi hardcore ret-conned the shit out of this, Tobi cannot be Obito. its possible that there are 2 Tobis, Madara played the role of Tobi until he had Obito to pass it all along too pretty much the only problem for Obito being Tobi is the timeline, but if someone else handled being Tobi until Obito was ready (which was when he went out to attack Konoha) then it can all make sense and the only thing that needs to be explained is his growth spurt i think you're stretching a lot. The guy's points are pretty sound. Using a Zetsu to make himself look taller? C'mon lol. The fact that he was an adult when fighting the 4th and Kakashi/Gai were still runts should be proof enough. The Kyuubi didn't think Sasuke was Madara, he said that his chakra was as sinister as Madara's. im jsut pointing out that its not nearly as crazy as people seem to think that Tobi is Obito It is crazy for Tobi to be Obito actually.It fucking doesn't make sense. 15 year old kid having the power to control Kyuubi? That is cute indeed lol. Obito turning from low-tier(he was the worst among Kakashi generation) to God-Tier in a matter of 1-2 years with so much knowledge and power is so unreasonable. Not even the prodigy of the prodigies(Sasuke, Itachi) can achieve that much power . Sasuke could control the Kyuubi when hey first met after the time skip, controlling the Kyuubi isnt that hard and hes not god tier he just has super hax eyes that do all the work for him
Sasuke was not controlling Kyuubi.He was just suppressing the Kyuubi chakra within Naruto subconscious.
Tell me when Sasuke is controlling the Kyuubi lol.
Please read the manga properly.
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On August 24 2012 00:17 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:14 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 00:07 FakeDeath wrote:On August 24 2012 00:01 Forikorder wrote:On August 23 2012 23:55 zidaneshead wrote:On August 23 2012 23:47 Forikorder wrote:Plothole Number 1: Tobi’s Power Level (chapters 500-504)
There is no way Obito could turn into an alpha dog shinobi who mastered S/T phasing and teleportation within a 1-2 year time frame. At 15 years old? No way... There is also no way Obito would know how to extract the Kyuubi, hypnotize it, control it like a puppet, and then summon it wherever the hell he wants to. And all of this is supposed to have happened 1-2 years after Obito supposedly died? That’s just not feasible. he doesnt need to master it though, as long as he knows how to activate the jutsu and it works automatically then all he needs to do is let attacks pass through him and use the small sdvantage from the confusion to suck people in Plothole Number 4: Kyuubi recognised Tobi (chapter 501 page 8)
The Kyuubi actually recognises Tobi and possibly knows who he is. If THAT doesn’t convince you, nothing will. The Kyuubi made a direct transfer from being sealed into Mito to being sealed into Kushina, so there is a fundamental contradiction for the Kyuubi to recognise anyone in the outside world when it was sealed for all that time. If the Kyuubi actually recognised Tobi, it means Tobi has to be someone who was alive during Hashirama/Madara’s generation. the Kyuubi thought Sasuke was Uchiha Madara... Plothole Number 5: Tobi is too tall (chapter 503 page 9)
Tobi was shown to be adult sized when he fought Minato, chapter 503 page 5. But on page 9, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai are all shown to be much shorter as they are going through adolescence. Obito would have been around that size and is therefore too short to be Tobi.
maybe he used a Zetsu to make himself look taller Plothole Number 7: This is HIS doing (chapter 560 page 2)
"This is HIS doing." That means Madara knows exactly who Tobi is, but there is no way Madara could have worked with Obito because Madara had died already. We know this because by the time Nagato gets Madara's Rinnegan from Tobi, Madara is officially dead - "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death." (chapter 560 page 15). This is important because Nagato is older than Minato, and Minato is older than Obito. its possible that your wrong about the time line, you assume madara awakens rinnegan, gives to nagato, dies but it could be Nagato was given Sharingan which since he has senju blood awakes the rinnegan, Madara sees this and uses the data from that to awakens it and then dies Plothole Number 9: During Our Battle (chapter 512 page 9)
"This is something I grew from living tissue I stole from him during our battle." Kabuto already revealed the Madara coffin so there was no reason for Tobi to keep lying. So if Tobi actually had a fight with Hashirama there is no way he could be Obito . Tobi could have easily still be talking BS to look badass to Kabuto to make Kabuto think Tobi is stronger then he is he could be bluffing to make Kabuto keep lsitening to him Plothole Number 10: Too Much Knowledge
It is impossible for Obito to know so much about the bloody history between the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan before Konoha was even established as a shinobi village. Tobi has to be someone from that generation. It is also impossible for Obito to know so much about Rikudou Sennin, his sons, the Bijuu and the Juubi.
unless Madara was the one who rescued Obito or had Zetsu rescue him and explain things to him THE BIGGEST PLOTHOLE OF THEM ALL
Plothole Number 11: Nagato is much older than Obito
Why is this important? Because Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato.
Unless Kishi hardcore ret-conned the shit out of this, Tobi cannot be Obito. its possible that there are 2 Tobis, Madara played the role of Tobi until he had Obito to pass it all along too pretty much the only problem for Obito being Tobi is the timeline, but if someone else handled being Tobi until Obito was ready (which was when he went out to attack Konoha) then it can all make sense and the only thing that needs to be explained is his growth spurt i think you're stretching a lot. The guy's points are pretty sound. Using a Zetsu to make himself look taller? C'mon lol. The fact that he was an adult when fighting the 4th and Kakashi/Gai were still runts should be proof enough. The Kyuubi didn't think Sasuke was Madara, he said that his chakra was as sinister as Madara's. im jsut pointing out that its not nearly as crazy as people seem to think that Tobi is Obito It is crazy for Tobi to be Obito actually.It fucking doesn't make sense. 15 year old kid having the power to control Kyuubi? That is cute indeed lol. Obito turning from low-tier(he was the worst among Kakashi generation) to God-Tier in a matter of 1-2 years with so much knowledge and power is so unreasonable. Not even the prodigy of the prodigies(Sasuke, Itachi) can achieve that much power . Sasuke could control the Kyuubi when hey first met after the time skip, controlling the Kyuubi isnt that hard and hes not god tier he just has super hax eyes that do all the work for him Sasuke was not controlling Kyuubi.He was just suppressing the Kyuubi chakra within Naruto subconscious.
exactly he controlled the Kyuubi
if the Kyuubi was outside Naruto he could ahve had it dancing a jig
point is any uchiha can control the 9 tails its not that special the only hard part is getting close enough to it to cast the jutsu but with Tobis power thats easy mode
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