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On August 17 2012 01:45 shark. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 20:54 Zane wrote:On August 16 2012 16:51 shark. wrote:On August 16 2012 11:40 Forikorder wrote:On August 16 2012 11:33 Zane wrote:On August 16 2012 10:41 b3n3tt3 wrote:
Nagato was obviously an uzumaki transplanted with sharinggan that became rinnegan He was an Uzumaki but Tobi transplanted him Madara's Rinnengan. i think it was said that the uzamakis or nagato specifically can trace there lineage to Hashirama so if tobi found Nagato, killed the ninja nearby and transplanted in 2 sharingan its possible that mixing the Uchiha blood (sharingan) with Senju blood from Nagato would create the Rinnegan Why do people think that nagato's rinnegan had something to do with having his eyes transplanted. We have been shown mulitple times in flashbacks of when he first awakened it kilng the ninja who killed his parents, then fully awakening it saving yahiko. Tobi is well known to speak alot of truth while also speaking vast quantites of bullshit about import history. Tobi is known to speak half-truths, but Madara implied the rinnengan is the final form of the sharingan, and it requires both Uchiha and Senjuu DNA. Nagato has the Senjuu part, being an Uzumaki, but he couldn't have awakened the rinnengan without the Uchiha part. And I don't think one can awaken the rinnengan directly, without having the sharingan. Also, when Madara is resurrected he initially believes it's Nagato's doing, which confirms the theory that the plan was for Tobi to take Madara's eyes after his death and transplant them to Nagato, so he can revive Madara when he masters his eyes. That's why Tobi was so angry when Nagato used his technique to revive the Konoha casualties. It only confirms that madara knew about Nagato not that he had any part in how he got his rinnegan. Also considering what has been said by both Nagato and Konan i highly doubt that Nagato was about to just give his eyes to someone once hes mastered them as he has alread shown he mastered them.
Tobi was probably planning to trick him into doing it somehow, or maybe he only planned to have Nagato ressurect him in case he died
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Oh its sad that Kishimoto actually described Kakashi role in almost whole part 2 of manga "All talk no action", thank you Kishimoto for trolling Kakashi all these years. 
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On August 17 2012 06:47 bgx wrote:Oh its sad that Kishimoto actually described Kakashi role in almost whole part 2 of manga "All talk no action", thank you Kishimoto for trolling Kakashi all these years.
All talk and no play makes Kakashi a dull boy.
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You know watching the fight between Tobi and the 4th it seems like when his arm melted off after the 4th hit him like it was something similar to zetzu. Could he not really be a true "person?" Like a Zetzu clone imprinted with memories and things. Maybe that what was Madara did with his newly acquired power of the 1st.
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I remember that line too but he simply states 'they say' that doesn't mean it's true, and obviously with the reveal about the sage of the six paths splitting his power amongst his two son's, it's the other way around... the byakugan is actually a bastardized/spin off of the sharingan, sure it has more 'viewing' power, but it doesn't give the user access to OP ass fuuuuuuckkk eye powers or the ability to further evolve into the rinnegan.
so i guess it goes something like..
byakugan (diluted sharingan that mutated to be more 'vision' based) <<< sharingan <<< rinnegan
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On August 18 2012 01:01 Kazeyonoma wrote:I remember that line too but he simply states 'they say' that doesn't mean it's true, and obviously with the reveal about the sage of the six paths splitting his power amongst his two son's, it's the other way around... the byakugan is actually a bastardized/spin off of the sharingan, sure it has more 'viewing' power, but it doesn't give the user access to OP ass fuuuuuuckkk eye powers or the ability to further evolve into the rinnegan. so i guess it goes something like.. byakugan (diluted sharingan that mutated to be more 'vision' based) <<< sharingan <<< rinnegan
Perhaps Hyuga is to Uchiha what Uzumaki is to Senjuu.
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On August 18 2012 01:01 Kazeyonoma wrote:I remember that line too but he simply states 'they say' that doesn't mean it's true, and obviously with the reveal about the sage of the six paths splitting his power amongst his two son's, it's the other way around... the byakugan is actually a bastardized/spin off of the sharingan, sure it has more 'viewing' power, but it doesn't give the user access to OP ass fuuuuuuckkk eye powers or the ability to further evolve into the rinnegan. so i guess it goes something like.. byakugan (diluted sharingan that mutated to be more 'vision' based) <<< sharingan <<< rinnegan
you say that until Neji comes and oneshot Tobi with his perfect ultimate badass Susano'o
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At this point I don't even get how rinnegan is considered the superior eye power than sharingan.
Sure rinnegan can make it easy for you to learn techniques and raise the dead,but on the other hand sharingan can summon a almost unbreakable defense and can one shot people rofl.O not to mention this bullshit space time jutsu.
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On August 18 2012 07:48 TheKefka wrote:
At this point I don't even get how rinnegan is considered the superior eye power than sharingan.
Sure rinnegan can make it easy for you to learn techniques and raise the dead,but on the other hand sharingan can summon a almost unbreakable defense and can one shot people rofl.O not to mention this bullshit space time jutsu.
the rinnegan also has the Gedo which one shot like 20 ninjas at once wouldnt be surprised if the Gedo could go 1v1 with the ultimate Susano'o and come out of it the victor
weve never really seen the Rinnegan in action, Pain used the rinnegan in a very weak state and only really used one path to its maximum power (which took the combined strength of the 8 tails, Naruto in the 9 tails chakra and Itachi all going full throttle to stop)
since that path had an ultimate technique its fair to assume the other 5 paths do as well but there was never an opportunity to use it
remember Pain was practically dead already by the time he fought Naruto and it still took 3 giant frogs and going up to 8 tails to barely eek out a win
if Nagato had been healthy, Itachi would have never managed to seal his soul like that, when it comes down to it Nagato was given insane handicaps and his opponents were given pretty deus level powers to even fight him on even ground
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On August 18 2012 07:48 TheKefka wrote:
At this point I don't even get how rinnegan is considered the superior eye power than sharingan.
Sure rinnegan can make it easy for you to learn techniques and raise the dead,but on the other hand sharingan can summon a almost unbreakable defense and can one shot people rofl.O not to mention this bullshit space time jutsu.
Also note that right now Madara is fighting the 5 kages with just rinnegan activated right? so doesn't that mean technically the rinnegan can activate all of the sharingan powers too? or am I mistaken...
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On August 18 2012 08:12 Kazeyonoma wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 07:48 TheKefka wrote:
At this point I don't even get how rinnegan is considered the superior eye power than sharingan.
Sure rinnegan can make it easy for you to learn techniques and raise the dead,but on the other hand sharingan can summon a almost unbreakable defense and can one shot people rofl.O not to mention this bullshit space time jutsu. Also note that right now Madara is fighting the 5 kages with just rinnegan activated right? so doesn't that mean technically the rinnegan can activate all of the sharingan powers too? or am I mistaken...
tehy probably can overlap or he can switch instantly and since the Rinnegan has more reactive abilitys and the sharingan is more proactive abilities keeps the Rinnegan active
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I guess Obito somehow used his spacetime ninjutsu to go back in time and meet Madara and make a ridiculously elaborate plan to rule the world (or hypnotize everyone or whatever he plans to do). It's funny how it looks like one of the oldest theories ever looks like it was right.
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I think it would be terrible writing if they made Tobi=Obito. The obvious play on his name makes it an easy guess and not something that the audience has to "dig" to find out. "I am Lord Voldemort" is an anagram for "Tom Marvolo Riddle" but that isn't something that anyone would guess even if they knew tom riddles name prior to that connection.
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On August 18 2012 14:17 ixi.genocide wrote:
I think it would be terrible writing if they made Tobi=Obito. The obvious play on his name makes it an easy guess and not something that the audience has to "dig" to find out. Lord Voldemort is an anagram for "I am Tom Riddle" but that isn't something that anyone would guess even if they knew tom riddles name prior to that connection.
I don't think you know what an anagram is. Lord Voldemort is not an anagram of "I am Tom Riddle" or even just "Tom Riddle" as it contains no A's or I's, they don't use the V, there is only one M, and they don't use both R's or D's. To say it is an anagram is to simply ignore the definition all together and just make up your own rules.
the result of rearranging the letters of a word or phrase to produce a new word or phrase, using all the original letters exactly once
edit: Ok that fixed sentence is now an anagram I concede lol.
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On August 18 2012 14:23 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 14:17 ixi.genocide wrote:
I think it would be terrible writing if they made Tobi=Obito. The obvious play on his name makes it an easy guess and not something that the audience has to "dig" to find out. Lord Voldemort is an anagram for "I am Tom Riddle" but that isn't something that anyone would guess even if they knew tom riddles name prior to that connection.
I don't think you know what an anagram is. Lord Voldemort is not an anagram of "I am Tom Riddle" or even just "Tom Riddle" as it contains no A's or I's. the result of rearranging the letters of a word or phrase to produce a new word or phrase, using all the original letters exactly once
I do know, I just typed that quickly, I will update my post with the actual anagram
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Name: Tobi
Name: Tobirama Senju
See the similarity? I'm hoping that there is some kind of connection there.
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On August 18 2012 14:43 WillS wrote:
Name: Tobi
Name: Tobirama Senju
See the similarity? I'm hoping that there is some kind of connection there.
Really? I didn't see that before!
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On August 18 2012 14:43 WillS wrote:
Name: Tobi
Name: Tobirama Senju
See the similarity? I'm hoping that there is some kind of connection there.
I was going to mention that connection earlier but Tobi being the 2nd Hokage seems to make even less sense than Obito
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Yeah, the fact that it is actually him seems unlikely. His space-time techniques seem pretty similar though. It's also pretty unlikely that it's him unless Orochimaru knows Tobi.
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On August 18 2012 14:49 ixi.genocide wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 14:43 WillS wrote:
Name: Tobi
Name: Tobirama Senju
See the similarity? I'm hoping that there is some kind of connection there. I was going to mention that connection earlier but Tobi being the 2nd Hokage seems to make even less sense than Obito
its been mentioned before its pretty much completely impossible without an insanely overcomplicated plan with no hints to its existance
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