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ddrddrddrddr
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Jealous
10421 Posts
On August 20 2012 11:42 yevoc wrote: I wanted to stop lurking and get this in before the Tobi reveal. Although this idea came to me on my own, googling it all has made it clear that not one iota of my realization is original, so please forgive if this is all common knowledge. I 100% agree with the theory that Tobi = Kagami Uchiha, but I also strongly suspect he's Obito's dad. Every bit of the abilities, timelines, and character interactions fit perfectly for this theory. He was a direct apprentice to the 2nd hokage in order to have learned and mastered space/time jutsu beyond the 4th hokage's abilities. He's probably suffered through all 3 major wars in order to distort his view on peace/war. Time-wise, Obito could be his son, because Asuma Sarutobi is the same age as Kakashi/Obito, and Asuma was the son of the 3rd hokage, and the 3rd is approximately the same age as Kagami. Tobi being related to Obito explains why his sharingan power is so similar to Kakashi's. It also explains why Tobi has a bone to pick with Kakashi. ("Why didn't you save my son??") It also explains why Kakashi has a twinge of familiarity but isn't acting like he's fighting his best friend. Furthermore, it also lends credence to why Tobi originally played the happy-go-lucky type like Obito supposedly acted if their personalities were related. Tobi was also keenly interested in watching Danzo fight and seems to know Danzo well. Danzo would've been his old teammate if he were Kagami. The other gap this neatly fills is Tobi's knowledge/involvement with Madara's life and Madara's death at the hands of the 1st hokage, as he was probably old enough to have witnessed the fight and/or find Madara's body. Since he grew up in the Uchiha clan under Madara's leadership, it's only natural that he'd have some knowledge of Madara as well. As far as Tobi's age goes, I'm dubious that he needs any exotic anti-aging theories/jutsus to explain any of the timelines up to present day. Danzo is around the same age as Kagami and was still a very potent fighter up to present day. Since Tobi's face does show some wrinkles/defects in all of the partial-face-shots we've seen, he certainly could be made to look old enough once the mask comes off. Danzo is the same age as Sarutobi, and Sarutobi was a mere child genin when the Second Hokage was in his 20's-30's, meaning the First Hokage was already older. I find it unlikely that Obito's father is over 4! student-teacher generations from his son [Team Kakashi < 4th Hokage < Erosennin < 3rd Hokage < 2nd Hokage]. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On August 21 2012 01:54 ddrddrddrddr wrote: For kakashi who is not of Uchiha blood and have no formal training in the use of sharingan, he still gets to use his abilities a couple times. How many times in quick succession do we see Tobi using his abilities? I don't think it's been very high thus far per engagement. Considering the advantages, it seems not too far fetched. Not to mention he's using it on himself, and may therefore have different associated cost than an external use. also hes only moving a small portion of his body at any time and for a very short amount of time also unlike Kakashis eye hes not doing it at long distances | ||
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mRpolite
189 Posts
On August 21 2012 01:49 Forikorder wrote: not neccesarily he could have EMS or the strain on his eye isnt as big as using a BIG mvove like amaterasu how does the ems work, anyway? you transplant another MS and every other eye from now on becomes eternal? (couse obviously tobi switches between them) | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On August 21 2012 02:07 mRpolite wrote: how does the ems work, anyway? you transplant another MS and every other eye from now on becomes eternal? (couse obviously tobi switches between them) Tobi oviously does not actually switch between them since he wanted Obitos power specifically and i think its like you fuse 2 eyes together so that your eye never loses its sight | ||
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mRpolite
189 Posts
On August 21 2012 02:10 Forikorder wrote: Tobi oviously does not actually switch between them since he wanted Obitos power specifically and i think its like you fuse 2 eyes together so that your eye never loses its sight why collect them, if you are not switching between them or planing to do so? also, didn't he burn one away with izanagi against nagato's friend, the paper girl? thats the one he switched with the rinegan if i recall | ||
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Scorcher2k
United States802 Posts
1. Tobi has the same eye as Kakashi. 2. When Tobi's left arm got messed up it was revealed to be Plant guy white mush crap. Makes sense because Obito got his whole left side crushed. I'm guessing that plant guy saved Obito from death back at the big fight where Obito is assumed to have been crushed. Plant guy probably has some past that gives him knowledge of both Madara and the First. Hopefully we'll see somewhat soon what the truth of the matter is though... | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On August 21 2012 08:20 Scorcher2k wrote: Ok, I'm just going to call it now. Tobi=Obito... I don't know how they are going to explain how he was old enough to go up against the fourth on the day that Naruto was born but I'm convinced now that its Tobi for the following reasons. 1. Tobi has the same eye as Kakashi. 2. When Tobi's left arm got messed up it was revealed to be Plant guy white mush crap. Makes sense because Obito got his whole left side crushed. I'm guessing that plant guy saved Obito from death back at the big fight where Obito is assumed to have been crushed. Plant guy probably has some past that gives him knowledge of both Madara and the First. Hopefully we'll see somewhat soon what the truth of the matter is though... wasnt it his right side that got smashed? also the eye wouldnt be in good condition and Obito wouldnt have been cocious at all f his whole right side got smashed so he was more pinned then smashed why collect them, if you are not switching between them or planing to do so? also, didn't he burn one away with izanagi against nagato's friend, the paper girl? thats the one he switched with the rinegan if i recall because he didnt know that Obito was going to die and have such a haxxor eye power plus hes already used 8 of his eyes (2 for Sasuke and one for each of the 6 Jinchuuriki he ressurected) so its not like the eyes were useless to him and he could be swapping his left eye some since he only needed the right one for his jutsu also its possible he might be forced to use Izanagi before he had a rinnegan to put in there so needed back up eyes to be safe | ||
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Scorcher2k
United States802 Posts
On August 21 2012 11:11 Forikorder wrote: wasnt it his right side that got smashed? also the eye wouldnt be in good condition and Obito wouldnt have been cocious at all f his whole right side got smashed so he was more pinned then smashed because he didnt know that Obito was going to die and have such a haxxor eye power plus hes already used 8 of his eyes (2 for Sasuke and one for each of the 6 Jinchuuriki he ressurected) so its not like the eyes were useless to him and he could be swapping his left eye some since he only needed the right one for his jutsu also its possible he might be forced to use Izanagi before he had a rinnegan to put in there so needed back up eyes to be safe Dang, yeah you're right it was his right side... For some reason my brain switched it up on me. I really have no idea then... I really hope its not someone that hasn't been introduced into the universe yet.... | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On August 21 2012 11:55 Scorcher2k wrote: Dang, yeah you're right it was his right side... For some reason my brain switched it up on me. I really have no idea then... I really hope its not someone that hasn't been introduced into the universe yet.... its quite possibly could be or someone who was mentioned but not really gone in depth on | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On August 21 2012 11:11 Forikorder wrote: wasnt it his right side that got smashed? also the eye wouldnt be in good condition and Obito wouldnt have been cocious at all f his whole right side got smashed so he was more pinned then smashed because he didnt know that Obito was going to die and have such a haxxor eye power plus hes already used 8 of his eyes (2 for Sasuke and one for each of the 6 Jinchuuriki he ressurected) so its not like the eyes were useless to him and he could be swapping his left eye some since he only needed the right one for his jutsu also its possible he might be forced to use Izanagi before he had a rinnegan to put in there so needed back up eyes to be safe He's only used up 3 eyes total. Itachi's 2 he gave to sasuke. The one he used for izanagi he replaced with one of pain's rinnegan. The 6 paths is a rinnegan power that projects your eyes onto the bodies you're controlling using the chakra rods. He didn't actually use any of his stored eyes. It's merely a projection of his own allowing him to see out of their eyes as well. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
Poll: Who is Tobi? Kagami Uchiha (part of Team Tobirama during First World War) (12) Obito Uchiha (boy in Kakashi gaiden, Tobi has his right eye) (11) Izuna Uchiha (brother) (10) Hybrid Zetsu/Madara clone (8) Other, not yet introduced (3) Rin (girl in Kakashi gaiden) (2) Tobirama Senju (2nd hokage) (1) 47 total votes Your vote: Who is Tobi? (Vote): Obito Uchiha (boy in Kakashi gaiden, Tobi has his right eye) Seriously we need a poll for this alrdy. Izuna Uchiha is the brother of Madara in-case you're wondering who's brother. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On August 21 2012 13:32 Zooper31 wrote: Poll: Who is Tobi? Kagami Uchiha (part of Team Tobirama during First World War) (12) Obito Uchiha (boy in Kakashi gaiden, Tobi has his right eye) (11) Izuna Uchiha (brother) (10) Hybrid Zetsu/Madara clone (8) Other, not yet introduced (3) Rin (girl in Kakashi gaiden) (2) Tobirama Senju (2nd hokage) (1) 47 total votes Your vote: Who is Tobi? (Vote): Obito Uchiha (boy in Kakashi gaiden, Tobi has his right eye) Seriously we need a poll for this alrdy. you should add whos brother it is in case people forgot | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On August 21 2012 13:36 Forikorder wrote: you should add whos brother it is in case people forgot can't edit polls once they are made :/ | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
On August 21 2012 13:32 Zooper31 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Poll: Who is Tobi? Kagami Uchiha (part of Team Tobirama during First World War) (12) Obito Uchiha (boy in Kakashi gaiden, Tobi has his right eye) (11) Izuna Uchiha (brother) (10) Hybrid Zetsu/Madara clone (8) Other, not yet introduced (3) Rin (girl in Kakashi gaiden) (2) Tobirama Senju (2nd hokage) (1) 47 total votes Your vote: Who is Tobi? (Vote): Obito Uchiha (boy in Kakashi gaiden, Tobi has his right eye) Seriously we need a poll for this alrdy. Completely missed Fugaku Uchiha. Its either him or a clone, everything else is stupid in some way imo (though I guess that means its still a possibility sadly). | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On August 21 2012 13:32 BlackPaladin wrote: He's only used up 3 eyes total. Itachi's 2 he gave to sasuke. The one he used for izanagi he replaced with one of pain's rinnegan. The 6 paths is a rinnegan power that projects your eyes onto the bodies you're controlling using the chakra rods. He didn't actually use any of his stored eyes. It's merely a projection of his own allowing him to see out of their eyes as well. im not convinced that they got the Sharingan becasue of him using the rods i think they got the eyes when you give them a path (theoretically it should be possible to give anyone a Rinnegan though theyd be lacking msot of the benefits) and doesnt ahve to do with the rods Nagato controlled Kakashi (very briefly) and Nartuo with his rods and none of there eyes changed so i think its that once a body gains one of the 6 paths there eyes change to Rinnegan until they no longer have the power anymore Completely missed Fugaku Uchiha. Its either him or a clone, everything else is stupid in some way imo (though I guess that means its still a possibility sadly). whos Fugaku? Sasukes dad? how does that make sense? | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On August 21 2012 13:39 Hall0wed wrote: Completely missed Fugaku Uchiha. Its either him or a clone, everything else is stupid in some way imo (though I guess that means its still a possibility sadly). I only put the options that I've seen listed more than once and we physically saw Itchai chop him down. Though I guess that's just as bad as Obito being crushed by a boulder. Still Haven't seen anyone mention him as a possibility and I had to look up his name to even know who you were talking about lol. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
And how doesn't it make sense? Both his sons are crazy strong and for all we know there was some genjutsu placed that just make it look like he died. Though I think a somewhat recent flashback drove me off this idea slightly, I still really hope it happens and it seems just as likely as everything else. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On August 21 2012 13:45 Hall0wed wrote: I'm mentioned it after like every new chapter... And how doesn't it make sense? Both his sons are crazy strong and for all we know there was some genjutsu placed that just make it look like he died. Though I think a somewhat recent flashback drove me off this idea slightly, I still really hope it happens and it seems just as likely as everything else. Knew I was bound to forget some anyway my bad, I also forgot to add Shisui, hes another supposedly dead guy who could be Tobi imo. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On August 21 2012 13:46 Zooper31 wrote: Knew I was bound to forget some anyway my bad, I also forgot to add Shisui, hes another supposedly dead guy who could be Tobi imo. no he couldnt both his eyes are accounted for beyond a shadow of a doubt, plus as an upstanding Uchiha hed be able to access the secret archives that Itachi caught Tobi trying to sneak into and Tobi wouldnt be hiding his identity to ITachi if he was Shisui whoever Tobi is its someone who wouldnt have access to the Uchiha secrets and its somoene who doesnt know Itachi or else Itachi would know who Tobi is and have told Naruto also i find it hilarious how someone whos been confirmed dead by Itachi, the strongest Genjutsu user in the world, is the only sane choice while people whos death were hazy and not really confirmed that well (Obito, the uchiha in tobiramas squad, Tobirama, Izuna) are completely nonsensical and obvious BS if they turn out to be him | ||
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