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On July 19 2012 01:52 Kazeyonoma wrote:
I didn't read anything that points at Obito = tobi, so I seriously don't understand where all this speculation came from, he knows about kakashi probably because he collects sharingan and knows of kakashi's possession of one, AND he's pretty well known in the ninjaworld remember? I think that 1 line being the tie to tobi being obito is a BIIIIT of a stretch. I think izuna is still probably the most likely scenario, since why would he 'die in combat' after being blind. WHO FIGHTS BLIND?
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Friggin stupid chapter.
If infinite tsuyokomi was Tobi's aim from the beginning, whole recent fight has absolutely no explanation. He could have revived ten tails in current form (as stated, sufficient for his plan) right after he stole that two brothers chakra.
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On July 19 2012 02:13 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 01:52 Kazeyonoma wrote:
I didn't read anything that points at Obito = tobi, so I seriously don't understand where all this speculation came from, he knows about kakashi probably because he collects sharingan and knows of kakashi's possession of one, AND he's pretty well known in the ninjaworld remember? I think that 1 line being the tie to tobi being obito is a BIIIIT of a stretch. I think izuna is still probably the most likely scenario, since why would he 'die in combat' after being blind. WHO FIGHTS BLIND? Dis beast
Touche, i just rewatched kenshin recently, and i didn't even think of him, lol.
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On July 19 2012 03:26 Defrag wrote:
Friggin stupid chapter.
If infinite tsuyokomi was Tobi's aim from the beginning, whole recent fight has absolutely no explanation. He could have revived ten tails in current form (as stated, sufficient for his plan) right after he stole that two brothers chakra.
He hoped to get it in its full form because it would be more powerful and he did not foresee himself NOT getting the 8 tails and 9 tails.
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On July 19 2012 00:55 grush57 wrote:
The only person that makes any sense is Obito. :'(
ehm, no. Explain how Obito had grown that powerful vs 4th hokage at narutos birth. 4th hokage was his mentor?
This or Uchias brother somehow. Remember he once had 2 sharingans, and sacrificed his own eye; Uchia technique, so that maybe is the clearest proof that he is an Uchia. Though he might be Tobirama in some way it makes more sense because of this time/space jutsus & the name pretty much gives it away. I bet he found some place he can travel in time or stay still in time and come out in the right moments to fight (didn't Sasuke have a very quick recovery that time he helped him?) Also, maybe Orochimarus resurrection justu was not perfected if even the real deal? he might have faked bodies or not the right souls when he summoned 1st & 2nd hokage vs the 3rd?
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On July 19 2012 05:48 ThePhan2m wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 00:55 grush57 wrote:
The only person that makes any sense is Obito. :'( ehm, no. Explain how Obito had grown that powerful vs 4th hokage at narutos birth. 4th hokage was his mentor?
Naruto and Sasuke would both slaughter Kakashi in a fight.
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Alright, lets do some math.
In Part 1 of the story (not Shippuden), Naruto was around 12-13 years old. Kakashi was 26-27 years old. Therefore, Kakashi is about 14-15 years older than Naruto.
We can assume that Obito and Kakashi are the same age (given Obito died when he was 13). Kakashi Gaiden takes place when Kakashi is 13 years old, so maybe a year or two before Naruto was born.
That means that sometime in that period, Minato became Hokage (which would make sense, blowing the bridge won the war for Konoha, he's a big hero).
If Tobi is Obito, then that means he fought Minato when he was 15 or 16. It may seem a bit weird, but you have to note that Naruto is 15 or 16 in the current story arc as well (other examples include Itachi killing his entire clan at 14-15, etc.). Ages in Naruto are pretty... young.
The only discrepancy is that Tobi is likely pretty old based on his wrinkles, though getting smushed by rocks and extensive surgery, etc. could account for his elderly appearance. However, the two do have similar (if not identical) hairstyles. In addition, the similarity between Kakashi and Tobi's Sharingan's is undeniable, though Kakashi uses his Mangekyo to use Kamui, whereas Tobi seems to be able to use it with only the generic 3-tomoe one.
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Tobi is NOT Tobirama Senju (the Second Hokage). Tobirama was the one who created the Impure World Resurrection technique, and Tobi barely even knew what it was -- he had to have Kabuto explain it to him. Not to mention the fact that Tobirama was already revived via that technique (meaning he must have been dead), and then sealed with the Shiki Fūjin.
Besides, I'm 90% sure that Sasuke and Orichmaru are going to attempt to unseal the previous Hokages. That's the only power that I can imagine meeting all the criteria described. Suigetsu said that whatever was on the scroll was strong enough to turn the tide of war -- the Hokages together would be. Plus Madara broke free from the Edo Tensei, so without the First Hokage appearing, I have no idea how he's going to be defeated. And Sasuke's goal is to learn about the beginnings of Konoha from one who knows everything, which is likely the First Hokage.
Finally, the hokages were sealed by the Shiki Fūjin, which so far has been referred to as impossible to escape from. Even Kabuto couldn't summon them. So it makes sense that Suigestu says, "Sasuke, you could figure it out," and Sasuke replies, "No, there are some things that only Orochimaru can do." And since Orochimaru first summoned the Hokages and witnessed them being sealed, it makes sense that he would have a scroll full of research in his lair to figure out how to get them back. When Sasuke hands Orochimaru the scroll in the last chapter, Oro even says, "What do you want to meet them for?"
If anyone has a better guess, let me know. But I think Sasuke is about to revive the First Hokage, if not the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.
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Also, the things that Tobi said to Kakashi and Gai don't necessarily indicate that he knew them in the past. To Kakashi he said, "You always open your mouth so easily. It's no wonder you've lived a life of regret." The fact is that he's run into Kakashi 2-3 times now, plus Kakashi's story is a famous one, so he wouldn't have had to have known him as a child to say something like that.
As for Gai, he says, "You don't remember faces, so what point is there in telling you [who I am]?" You could interpret that to mean that Gai already knows him but wouldn't remember his face. But you could also interpret that to mean that Gai doesn't know him yet, but it's pointless to introduce himself because Gai will just forget.
That said, it's suspicious that Kishi had Gai ask Tobi's identity right after Tobi made that comment to Kakashi. It suggests that Kishi is hinting that Tobi really did know Kakashi personally. So maybe it is Obito after all?
Then again, we can't forget that whoever Tobi is, it has to be someone that knew Madara Uchiha. The first thing Madara thought after being resurrected was that Tobi+Nagato resurrected him. And he asked Kabuto if he was Tobi's follower.
One possibility that everyone is counting out is that Obito, himself, was a fake. Everyone is assuming that Obito had to have been some real 15 year old kid, and that if he is Tobi, he must have time traveled to get older. But what if the opposite is true -- that Obito was never young in the first place? I'm not saying this is true. I'm just pointing out that there are tons of plausible possibilities for who Tobi could be, and it's unlikely that we're going to guess them all. So it's premature to go around saying things like, "There has to be a plothole." We simply can't know yet.
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if Tobi is telling the Truth why isnt he like a billion trillion miles away in some secret place ressurecting 10 tails instead of in the middle of every person on the planet whos capable of killing him?
also stop trying to guess who Tobi is, Tobi will be whoever the author wants him to be and fuck plot holes they can be loosely explained and then ignored
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On July 19 2012 07:52 Forikorder wrote:
if Tobi is telling the Truth why isnt he like a billion trillion miles away in some secret place ressurecting 10 tails instead of in the middle of every person on the planet whos capable of killing him?
also stop trying to guess who Tobi is, Tobi will be whoever the author wants him to be and fuck plot holes they can be loosely explained and then ignored
Haha i asked myself the same thing. doesnt make much sense tbh.
anyone an idea relating to swapping pair of eyes? why couldnt madara and izuna just swap their eyes, rather than izuna getting blind?
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He can now take the 8 & 9 tails with the 10 tails and make it fully powered?
I guess that's the only logical explanation.
The whole war is keeping everyone else pre-occupied, 5 kages included.
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On July 19 2012 08:06 amaDeus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 07:52 Forikorder wrote:
if Tobi is telling the Truth why isnt he like a billion trillion miles away in some secret place ressurecting 10 tails instead of in the middle of every person on the planet whos capable of killing him?
also stop trying to guess who Tobi is, Tobi will be whoever the author wants him to be and fuck plot holes they can be loosely explained and then ignored Haha i asked myself the same thing. doesnt make much sense tbh. anyone an idea relating to swapping pair of eyes? why couldnt madara and izuna just swap their eyes, rather than izuna getting blind?
because its not swapping eyes, its combining 2 sets of eyes to make a perfect set
IMO Tobi is either A) Bluffing or B) trying to ressurect an imperfect 10 tails is extremely risky proposition and hes for some reason short on time or banking on being able to capture some more 8/9 tails during the battle to assit in the ressurection
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On July 19 2012 08:14 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 08:06 amaDeus wrote:On July 19 2012 07:52 Forikorder wrote:
if Tobi is telling the Truth why isnt he like a billion trillion miles away in some secret place ressurecting 10 tails instead of in the middle of every person on the planet whos capable of killing him?
also stop trying to guess who Tobi is, Tobi will be whoever the author wants him to be and fuck plot holes they can be loosely explained and then ignored Haha i asked myself the same thing. doesnt make much sense tbh. anyone an idea relating to swapping pair of eyes? why couldnt madara and izuna just swap their eyes, rather than izuna getting blind? because its not swapping eyes, its combining 2 sets of eyes to make a perfect set IMO Tobi is either A) Bluffing or B) trying to ressurect an imperfect 10 tails is extremely risky proposition and hes for some reason short on time or banking on being able to capture some more 8/9 tails during the battle to assit in the ressurection
Since when do they ever say it's about combining eyes? They've consistently said, they go blind when they unlock the mangekyo and the only way to retain it is to kill and take your best friends eyes. But we already know the kill part is loose because a) sasuke got the mangekyo without killing naruto and b) we know that madara didnt' kill his brother, since it is stated his brother 'died in battle'. SO why can't you simply swap each other's eyes? THEYVE NEVER SAID YOU CANT, it's just been assumed, it could be Izuna, or as you state, maybe they had to take his eyes and he was blinded, but no one has ever confirmed that Izuna died. Or that Madara didn't figure out a way to edo tensei his brother, and give him a pair of other eyes to use and has since outlived his brother as a plot to bring the destruction of the world together now that Hashirama is dead and not there to stop Madara.
I know everything even my own hypothesis are based on assumptions but trying to tie this to Obito is just largely less likely than Izuna or some char we know nothing about yet. Hell even an Orochimaru clone is more likely than Obito.
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But we already know the kill part is loose
Nope, its about killing someone close. Itachi was close for Sasuke, so it actually makes sense that Sasuke got it.
Well its written nowhere whether u have to combine them or just put them in your eyes place. combining would be lame actually :/ (the eternal mangekyou has the looks of both of the sharingans - but i guess the individual look of the sharingan results from the connection to the body of the user, so when the new eye is transplanted, both looks are getting combined)
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Obito makes sense. Seeing as Zetsu is part of Madara already, it's entirely possible that Zetsu was sent out by Madara with pieces of himself and 1st Hokage and merged with Obito when he was about to die. It's possible, but yeah, would be kinda lame. 
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If Tobi turns out to be some random character that hasn't been introduced yet i'm gonna go and kill myself.
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On July 19 2012 09:52 Jukulmolder wrote:
If Tobi turns out to be some random character that hasn't been introduced yet i'm gonna go and kill myself.
maybe well never see wahts under the mask
i think that would be a good ending for Tobi, they never told us Ls name (well i think there was in some other interview or something) sometimes not all mysterys have to be explained, if Tobi dies anonymously i think that would be satisfying, tobi doesnt have to be someone just like V wasnt someone
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On July 19 2012 10:08 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 09:52 Jukulmolder wrote:
If Tobi turns out to be some random character that hasn't been introduced yet i'm gonna go and kill myself. maybe well never see wahts under the mask i think that would be a good ending for Tobi, they never told us Ls name (well i think there was in some other interview or something) sometimes not all mysterys have to be explained, if Tobi dies anonymously i think that would be satisfying, tobi doesnt have to be someone just like V wasnt someone
you can read L's name in the end scene.
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