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ThePhan2m
Norway2751 Posts
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whatever292
Canada21 Posts
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reptile
United States210 Posts
On June 28 2012 03:42 ch33psh33p wrote: At this point its impossible for Tobi to be stronger. He has one Rinnegan and one normal Sharingan, while Madara has a pair of Eternal Mangekyous and a pair of Rinnegan. Not to mention he's immortal. While I understand your point, and I agree that that comparison would prove Madara stronger, 99% of stories go in sequential order from weaker opponent to the strongest. Why would they have the hardest most impossible fight happen, only to have an inevitable other fight with a weaker opponent as the last battle... It just seems kind of pointless for Tobi to even exist post-Madara Battle. Now, if somehow Madara and Tobi have some deeper potential involving both of them, I could grasp it a bit better. But if this is the end all be all of battles right now, and Madara is indeed stronger than Tobi, the entire rise of the manga ends with this battle. Tobi would just be simple aftermath. Everything would be down hill from there. | ||
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reptile
United States210 Posts
On June 28 2012 03:47 ThePhan2m wrote: This will be Narutos turn to fight Madara in full beast mode (Since 9 tails hates Madara, this is what Naruto needs to merge with 9 tails) Don't forget that even Sasuke was able to suppress the 9tails in Naruto. Madara was able to enslave it. Naruto most likely will find little use for the 9tails in his battle with Madara. That or we're going to be forced to believe that for whatever reason, Naruto is able to control the 9tails better then the best Sharingan user ever. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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h41fgod
Sweden377 Posts
On June 28 2012 04:01 reptile wrote: Don't forget that even Sasuke was able to suppress the 9tails in Naruto. Madara was able to enslave it. Naruto most likely will find little use for the 9tails in his battle with Madara. That or we're going to be forced to believe that for whatever reason, Naruto is able to control the 9tails better then the best Sharingan user ever. Jesus no jutsu has Narutos connection with the ninetails covered. | ||
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Phemtos
Canada163 Posts
On June 28 2012 03:56 reptile wrote: While I understand your point, and I agree that that comparison would prove Madara stronger, 99% of stories go in sequential order from weaker opponent to the strongest. Why would they have the hardest most impossible fight happen, only to have an inevitable other fight with a weaker opponent as the last battle... It just seems kind of pointless for Tobi to even exist post-Madara Battle. Now, if somehow Madara and Tobi have some deeper potential involving both of them, I could grasp it a bit better. But if this is the end all be all of battles right now, and Madara is indeed stronger than Tobi, the entire rise of the manga ends with this battle. Tobi would just be simple aftermath. Everything would be down hill from there. Well tobi plan is still to obtain the 8th and 9th tail to complete his moon eye plan so I expect him to become some sort of rikudou sage of the six path stronger then madara(because of the combined bijuus) by the end. | ||
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
On June 28 2012 04:04 rei wrote: the 2nd hokage also knows that impure world resurrection seal. Why didn't he break himself away from Orochimaru? This is bullshit. I think that is because Orchimoru only use impure world resurrection on two person so he can more easily control them and keep tab on them. While Kabuto was using impure world resurection on a mass scale so it hard for him to control them which explains why some of them had control of their mind. Basically orochimaru impure world ressurection controled the 1st and 2nd Mind and Body, while Kabuto had to control many people so he only control their Body and not their mind. When Kabuto died, his ability to control their body is gone so madara had control of his body AND mind which allowed him to do the seal. Atleast that what I think and it kinda make sense lol | ||
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
On June 28 2012 04:29 Phemtos wrote: Well tobi plan is still to obtain the 8th and 9th tail to complete his moon eye plan so I expect him to become some sort of rikudou sage of the six path stronger then madara(because of the combined bijuus) by the end. which is entirely 100% possible. after madara used complete susano form he stated, only the biju have a power comparable to this. | ||
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MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
On June 28 2012 04:42 SheaR619 wrote: I think that is because Orchimoru only use impure world resurrection on two person so he can more easily control them and keep tab on them. While Kabuto was using impure world resurection on a mass scale so it hard for him to control them which explains why some of them had control of their mind. Basically orochimaru impure world ressurection controled the 1st and 2nd Mind and Body, while Kabuto had to control many people so he only control their Body and not their mind. When Kabuto died, his ability to control their body is gone so madara had control of his body AND mind which allowed him to do the seal. Atleast that what I think and it kinda make sense lol There was also a bit where Kabuto says that his version does not completely overwrite the free wills / emotions of the revived, whereas Orochimaru's version is total control and wipes the revives mind blank. Or something to that effect. | ||
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ThePhan2m
Norway2751 Posts
On June 28 2012 04:01 reptile wrote: Don't forget that even Sasuke was able to suppress the 9tails in Naruto. Madara was able to enslave it. Naruto most likely will find little use for the 9tails in his battle with Madara. That or we're going to be forced to believe that for whatever reason, Naruto is able to control the 9tails better then the best Sharingan user ever. Sasuke no? And that was Tobi, not Madara? Also no battles yet where a jinchuuriki that has developed has been overwhelmed by Sharingan? We have yet to see a full out 9 tails with a jinchuuriki controlling it. | ||
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ixi.genocide
United States981 Posts
On June 27 2012 18:08 rufflesQueso wrote: What the hell did Madara just do? The Edo tensei was created by the 2nd hokage, so madara has probably seen the technique and due to the effects of the sharingan is able to void it after having it a second time. The are probably going to show that he canceled the effect on himself, though he might lose the hashirama head that he has going on. | ||
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ixi.genocide
United States981 Posts
On June 28 2012 03:56 reptile wrote: While I understand your point, and I agree that that comparison would prove Madara stronger, 99% of stories go in sequential order from weaker opponent to the strongest. Why would they have the hardest most impossible fight happen, only to have an inevitable other fight with a weaker opponent as the last battle... It just seems kind of pointless for Tobi to even exist post-Madara Battle. Now, if somehow Madara and Tobi have some deeper potential involving both of them, I could grasp it a bit better. But if this is the end all be all of battles right now, and Madara is indeed stronger than Tobi, the entire rise of the manga ends with this battle. Tobi would just be simple aftermath. Everything would be down hill from there. Not really, I think tobi's ultimate plot was to use tsukiyomi on the moon to put everyone in a genjustu and that is a kind of tactic that can evade the brute force of madara or naruto. I don't really see Tobi as the same kind of power player that madara is, more like a mastermind that they have made too silly to be a mastermind. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On June 28 2012 04:42 SheaR619 wrote: I think that is because Orchimoru only use impure world resurrection on two person so he can more easily control them and keep tab on them. While Kabuto was using impure world resurection on a mass scale so it hard for him to control them which explains why some of them had control of their mind. Basically orochimaru impure world ressurection controled the 1st and 2nd Mind and Body, while Kabuto had to control many people so he only control their Body and not their mind. When Kabuto died, his ability to control their body is gone so madara had control of his body AND mind which allowed him to do the seal. Atleast that what I think and it kinda make sense lol Not to nitpick or argue with anything you say, I agree mostly. But Kabuto isn't dead, just trapped in a never ending story of fighting Itachi lol. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
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Isator
Germany57 Posts
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Artline
177 Posts
On June 28 2012 04:51 ThePhan2m wrote: Sasuke no? And that was Tobi, not Madara? Also no battles yet where a jinchuuriki that has developed has been overwhelmed by Sharingan? We have yet to see a full out 9 tails with a jinchuuriki controlling it. 1) sasuke did suppress the 9 tails. 2) tobi said he's madara himself. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On June 28 2012 13:58 Artline wrote: 1) sasuke did suppress the 9 tails. 2) tobi said he's madara himself. Tobi said he was madara, but considering the real madara was revived with edo tensei and then tobi claimed he was "nobody" we can be fairly certain tobi isn't madara and is someone entirely different. Although knowing kishi he's probably the embodiment of all sharingan eyes, and he'll reveal his true form to be a floating sharingan eyeball...... >_> | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On June 28 2012 14:08 BlackPaladin wrote: Tobi said he was madara, but considering the real madara was revived with edo tensei and then tobi claimed he was "nobody" we can be fairly certain tobi isn't madara and is someone entirely different. Although knowing kishi he's probably the embodiment of all sharingan eyes, and he'll reveal his true form to be a floating sharingan eyeball...... >_> That would be pretty hilarious. | ||
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ixi.genocide
United States981 Posts
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