EPT[Manga] Naruto - Page 104
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dyodyo
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n3m0
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ThePhan2m
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On November 13 2009 15:59 Jayme wrote: Didn't you ever wonder why Naruto is basically the only Jinchuuriki with a shitty relationship with his Bijuu (except for Gaara) I find it hilarious that with all the other ones they had seals that allowed them nearly full control over their Bijuu's chakra/ability to use it. Naruto goes eight tails and his seal threatens to break...and his seal was supposedly made by the foremost seal master in the region. I never really understood why Naruto starts going batshit at three tails already when Killer Bee can go a full 8 and be okay. might have to do with the cirumstances how he got force sealed into naruto (same with Gaara) and the fact that the futher up the tails go, the harder they are to control. Naruto is still a kid, compared to killerbee aswell as Killerbee is the only of the tails that are mentioned that actually has control of his, also the tails are different in character. And the seal was made by the foremost seal master, since it didnt break when it was suposed = amazing seal  just my two cents | ||
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
On November 14 2009 00:58 ThePhan2m wrote: might have to do with the cirumstances how he got force sealed into naruto (same with Gaara) and the fact that the futher up the tails go, the harder they are to control. Naruto is still a kid, compared to killerbee aswell as Killerbee is the only of the tails that are mentioned that actually has control of his, also the tails are different in character. And the seal was made by the foremost seal master, since it didnt break when it was suposed = amazing seal just my two cents2 tails (cat girl that hidan and kakuzu were chasing) had control of hers iirc | ||
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On November 13 2009 15:59 Jayme wrote: Didn't you ever wonder why Naruto is basically the only Jinchuuriki with a shitty relationship with his Bijuu (except for Gaara) I find it hilarious that with all the other ones they had seals that allowed them nearly full control over their Bijuu's chakra/ability to use it. Naruto goes eight tails and his seal threatens to break...and his seal was supposedly made by the foremost seal master in the region. I never really understood why Naruto starts going batshit at three tails already when Killer Bee can go a full 8 and be okay. because naruto is a kid o, it was said | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On November 13 2009 15:59 Jayme wrote: Didn't you ever wonder why Naruto is basically the only Jinchuuriki with a shitty relationship with his Bijuu (except for Gaara) I find it hilarious that with all the other ones they had seals that allowed them nearly full control over their Bijuu's chakra/ability to use it. Naruto goes eight tails and his seal threatens to break...and his seal was supposedly made by the foremost seal master in the region. I never really understood why Naruto starts going batshit at three tails already when Killer Bee can go a full 8 and be okay. Well the 9 tails is the most evil as well as the most powerful. Not only that, but the 4th COMPLETELY sealed half of the 9 tails power only giving naruto access to one side. Also he loses his mind at 4 tails I thought? | ||
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Kenpachi
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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On November 13 2009 15:19 mOnion wrote: its rushing all over the dirt and shiz. also can someone take a moment to explain the byakugan guy thing? i got a little disoriented with all the groups wandering, i know he got caught in Danzo's trap, but now i'm a lil lost o.o K so byakugan guy walks into a mind-switch trap which is fucked because now he's gonna get his eye dug out but it turns out they have a sick seal on it which protects the eye from being removed and now the guy in control of his body is setting it up so he jumps down onto a scythe to decapitate himself before switching back out at the very last second so he can walk back, pick up the head, and take the byakugan back to konoha. | ||
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
On November 14 2009 01:02 mOnion wrote: 2 tails (cat girl that hidan and kakuzu were chasing) had control of hers iirc 2 tails chick sucked ass, or at least it looked like it. I've always hoped they would have developed the jinchuuriki's a little bit more, since besides Gaara, KB and Naruto, the others just had face time to get nailed by some akatsuki. The Bijuus being the shit and all, one would think even the so-powerful akatsuki would've trouble hunting any of the Jinchuurikis. The only explanation I see to it is that the bijuu range is wider than expected, so there are some bijuus that are pure shit, and if their jinchuuriki is not that strong, it results in a shitty ninja who is barely at a lower jounnin level. If you get lucky like KB and you are a powerful character and you happen to stumble upon a powerful bijuu, then you are awesome. I always thought that all bijuus would be inmensely powerful, obviously with some of them being more powerful than others, but apparently, if you get a shitty bijuu like the 2 tails you are screwed. So we know the 9 tails is the most powerful one, and the 1 tail and the 8 tails are also powerful, where as the 2 tails is pure shit, and some of them we know nothing about since they didn't even get some face time, but it's possible to assume they didn't get face time because akatsuki didn't even break a sweat to capture them. Any bijuu expert to clarify this? | ||
Spazer
Canada8033 Posts
On November 16 2009 10:34 RamenStyle wrote: 2 tails chick sucked ass, or at least it looked like it. I've always hoped they would have developed the jinchuuriki's a little bit more, since besides Gaara, KB and Naruto, the others just had face time to get nailed by some akatsuki. The Bijuus being the shit and all, one would think even the so-powerful akatsuki would've trouble hunting any of the Jinchuurikis. The only explanation I see to it is that the bijuu range is wider than expected, so there are some bijuus that are pure shit, and if their jinchuuriki is not that strong, it results in a shitty ninja who is barely at a lower jounnin level. If you get lucky like KB and you are a powerful character and you happen to stumble upon a powerful bijuu, then you are awesome. I always thought that all bijuus would be inmensely powerful, obviously with some of them being more powerful than others, but apparently, if you get a shitty bijuu like the 2 tails you are screwed. So we know the 9 tails is the most powerful one, and the 1 tail and the 8 tails are also powerful, where as the 2 tails is pure shit, and some of them we know nothing about since they didn't even get some face time, but it's possible to assume they didn't get face time because akatsuki didn't even break a sweat to capture them. Any bijuu expert to clarify this? It's reasonable to assume that all of the bijuu are decently powerful. Otherwise, why would they even bother containing them in a human host? Most likely it's just an ass-pull as to how Akatsuki so easily captured them all. Also consider the fact that most Akatsuki members are stupidly powerful and nigh invulnerable (two of them literally being immortal). | ||
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terr13
United States298 Posts
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
What I'm curious about is the power order among the bijuu. Terr13 said it goes in proportion of the number of tails, but I don't think the 1 tail is weaker than the 2 tail or the 3rd tail. Besides, the only reason Gaara lost to Deidara is because he got caught in a setup trying to save his whole town. Before that, Deidara was getting schooled. I think it is safe to assume the 9 tails is the most powerful of them all(if only for being the bijuu inside of Naruto), and I don't think the 1 tail is the weakest one. I just wish Kishi would have shown us more of the bijuus and jinchuurikis so we could measure their power. | ||
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fanatacist
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First of all, the power that the jinchuriki has with the bijuu inside is pretty much irrelevant. That relies on the jinchuriki's control over the bijuu, their relationship, their initial strength and abilities without the bijuu, etc., and not just the strength of the bijuu in its final form. That's why Killerbee took a shit all over Sasuke and his team, and is pressuring Kisame into shit we've never seen before - he has superior control over his bijuu. We can't judge a bijuu's power only based on the jinchuriki's use of it. Secondly, it is obvious that the strength of the jinchuriki increases as the amount of tails that emerge in the bijuu cloak increases. This is why Naruto becomes uncontrollable, and the Samehada couldn't remove the cloak entirely, as the amount of tails increased. We know for a fact that each tail is like a new level of strength. I'm not saying that this means that the 9-tails is 9 times more powerful than the 1-tail, but it's hard to imagine more tails not being equal to more power. Here is why: if each tail brings the jinchuriki closer to the bijuu's full power, and if we were to assume the opposte (all bijuus are relatively equal in power), wouldn't transformations in terms of increased tails be a lot harder to control and a lot more damaging to the jinchuriki? If we look back to Gaara's fight with Naruto, he never even got a cloak - he started assuming the partial form of his bijuu right off the bat because it only has 1 tail, and was pretty damn weak until he got into full mode, which he needs special preparation for (sleeping jutsu). If the power of the 1-tail was equal to that of the 9-tails, or close to it, then that first transformation should have the same power as the 9-tail cloak for Naruto, and should have been just as damaging. Also, because the 1-tail transformation is so close to completion, it's no wonder why Gaara was so tormented by being a jinchuriki (lack of sleep, murderous intent) - he is always 1 tail and a jutsu away from transformation. That kind of pressure is pretty deteriorating, and also it makes using the partial form a greater risk. This means that as a jinchuriki, he will be weaker than a jinchuriki whose beast has more tails right off the bat. So, in other words, not only are jinchuriki with greater tailed beasts more likely to be stronger than jinchuriki with fewer tails, but the bijuus themselves are probably stronger because they need more stages to emerge. The beauty of Naruto is that it's not about who has a greater power level or just more speed as was the case in DBZ - abilities, counter-abilities, elements, speed, power, location, etc. are all factors for a battle. Deidara forced the battle into the air, which Gaara has to use chakra to maintain. He had to protect his village, as others have said. If the battle had happened somewhere else under different conditions, it's likely to have been different. Also, if Kishimoto focused more on bijuus than he has already, it would make the plot development even more slow, which would be fucking frustrating. Introducing characters, explaining their childhoods growing up as outcasts because of their bijuus, and battles that are forced into existence purely for the sake of a battle would all just waste time in the plot development. On top of that, by the time Gaara's bijuu was taken out, they already had multiple others - do you think it would have been appropriate to incorporate Akatsuki and their quest to take all the bijuus earlier than it has been? It would make even the pre-Shippuuden chapters move even slower, and we would have been at least a year or two behind where we are now in the manga. Fuck that. Measuring the power of the jinchurikis is pretty pointless, considering we only met 3 of them in any detail, and also because the point is not the strength of the jinchurikis or the bijuus. The point is that they will all combine into one super monster. That was the reason they were brought into the story (besides the character development aspect of Naruto/Gaara). Anything extra would have been just that - extra. | ||
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snarl
Canada812 Posts
lol latest chapter is pretty funny, kisame's sword liked bee's chakra so much it betrays him and wants to make bee its new master.. looks like kisame has one chance to kill bee now or it will be too late. | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On November 17 2009 23:31 snarl wrote: lol latest chapter is pretty funny, kisame's sword liked bee's chakra so much it betrays him and wants to make bee its new master.. looks like kisame has one chance to kill bee now or it will be too late. wtf? Is this a new chapter we're talking about or what. | ||
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snarl
Canada812 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + kisame giving his sword the boot after seeing it intends to heal bee ![[image loading]](http://img682.imageshack.us/i/23151178.jpg/) | ||
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fanatacist
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snarl
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fanatacist
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doktorLucifer
United States855 Posts
On November 16 2009 10:34 RamenStyle wrote: 2 tails chick sucked ass, or at least it looked like it. I've always hoped they would have developed the jinchuuriki's a little bit more, since besides Gaara, KB and Naruto, the others just had face time to get nailed by some akatsuki. The Bijuus being the shit and all, one would think even the so-powerful akatsuki would've trouble hunting any of the Jinchuurikis. The only explanation I see to it is that the bijuu range is wider than expected, so there are some bijuus that are pure shit, and if their jinchuuriki is not that strong, it results in a shitty ninja who is barely at a lower jounnin level. If you get lucky like KB and you are a powerful character and you happen to stumble upon a powerful bijuu, then you are awesome. I always thought that all bijuus would be inmensely powerful, obviously with some of them being more powerful than others, but apparently, if you get a shitty bijuu like the 2 tails you are screwed. So we know the 9 tails is the most powerful one, and the 1 tail and the 8 tails are also powerful, where as the 2 tails is pure shit, and some of them we know nothing about since they didn't even get some face time, but it's possible to assume they didn't get face time because akatsuki didn't even break a sweat to capture them. Any bijuu expert to clarify this? Does anyone else kinda want Kishimoto to do a bunch of gaidens on this? o_oa | ||
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