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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-25 18:49:19
January 25 2015 18:48 GMT
#161
Lolita is really great, I read it a few weeks ago. Nabokov's use of the English language is just insane given the fact that it wasn't his mother tongue.
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-25 19:05:24
January 25 2015 19:00 GMT
#162
Nabokov could write and read in English he could in Russian. He grew up trilingual.

And sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't think he's a genius.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
January 25 2015 19:35 GMT
#163
I started reading Unfinished Tales, is it a good idea to read Silmarillion first tho?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
January 25 2015 19:42 GMT
#164
I'd say yes. I love the Silmarillion though.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
123Gurke
Profile Joined January 2005
France154 Posts
January 25 2015 19:56 GMT
#165
On January 25 2015 06:54 Nyxisto wrote:
Anybody here read the Dark Tower series? I'm currently reading the fourth book (the first three were pretty nice) but how could King think that it would be a good idea to put 600 pages of background story into one book? Does the rest of the series continue that way or does it get better again?

I read the whole series and I think they got worse and worse with every book. For it was not worth it except for the first book. But I know other people disagree, so maybe it is just me...

On January 25 2015 18:51 corumjhaelen wrote:
Finally read The Three Stigmatas of Palmer Eldritch, and my mind is blown. Thanks guys, it's up there with Ubik. I have a problem with Barney's last packet of cigarettes btw, not sure why.

The only problem is that now you have read the best book by PKD and it will only get worse. You could try Martian Time-Slip or Flow my Tears next if you haven't already.
"No," she said, "but sometimes I like to watch."
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
January 25 2015 20:53 GMT
#166
On January 26 2015 04:00 dmnum wrote:
Nabokov could write and read in English he could in Russian. He grew up trilingual.

And sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't think he's a genius.
I read Lolita a few years back and while I thought it was well written I wasn't feeling the vibes that other people who ascribed him to be their favorite were feeling. I still really liked it though, and it partially convinced me to settle on a class on Nabakov this semester. I'm reading a bunch of books by him, including rereading Lolita I assume.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-25 21:02:59
January 25 2015 20:57 GMT
#167
Lolita is the most sophisticated piece of exploitation work in the Western Canon, imo, but it suffers from being a little one-dimensional as a result. It's something everyone with an interest in literature should read, but I definitely empathize with those who felt a little underwhelmed after finally getting through the work among all the fanfare.

Edit: Look at the Harlequins! is my favorite Nabokov, but its pretty weird and the reader should be at least somewhat familiar with most of Nabokov's other works first so be forewarned lol.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-25 21:23:48
January 25 2015 21:11 GMT
#168
I've only read Pale Fire and Lolita but the feeling I get from both books is that behind all that beautiful prose Nabokov is trying to hide his complete lack of anything interesting to say about human nature. Yeah, he's great at tricking us and making us like characters who are either "objectively" unlikeable(HH) or clinically insane(Kinbote), but at the end of the day I feel like that's all he can do, and that isn't enough for me.

I'd appreciate a recommendation of a book of his that manages to escape from this trope, though, if such a book exists.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-25 21:30:18
January 25 2015 21:24 GMT
#169
I don't think that's far off at all; the works of Nabokov in a general sense are more about form, elaboration, and narrative/character technique than humanism, but I think this cuts at what Nabokov might be trying to say about how we discuss things in life that feel "cheap" or vulgar to describe, particularly from within the context of Lolita. I'll say that the people I've known who have said that Nabokov is their favorite author have tended to be fairly "hipster" in their general affect, so take from that what you will lol.

Edit: The reason I like Harlequins! is because it is, as cliche as it is to say lol, very meta; it's a quasi-autobiographical look at an author who is basically insane, and it references practically every work of Nabokov's by metaphor at the very least. By the end, I felt as though it served as a justification for Nabokov's works in that they probably operated as a form of therapy for him that others just happened to come upon and enjoy or dislike.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-25 21:51:26
January 25 2015 21:27 GMT
#170
That makes sense. It also explains his obsession with the concept of poshlost.

Edit: Sabbath's Theater is not quite what I expected, but still good.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
January 25 2015 22:03 GMT
#171
A bit romanticized, but I enjoy the section on Lolita in this essay

http://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/the-one-sentence-novel

Nabokov’s “Lolita” is the third book. Its penultimate sentence, “I am thinking of aurochs and angels, the secret of durable pigments, prophetic sonnets, the refuge of art,” strikes me as one of the loveliest sentences anyone ever wrote. Nabokov’s aurochs recall those big beasts bounding across the ancient cave walls in Altamira and Lascaux—the wellsprings of human art—while the angels signal art’s apotheosis. He’s speaking of only the greatest sonnets, the greatest paintings; we enter the realm of Shakespeare’s “powerful rhyme,” to which royalty’s marble and gilded monuments stand subservient, or of the “small patch of yellow wall” with which Proust enshrined Vermeer.

It’s also the moment in the book when Nabokov comes closest to stepping free of both his tortured narrator, Humbert Humbert, and Humbert’s tortuous prose. Nabokov is delivering a credo, and the cadence and the sentiment tightly echo the voice at the conclusion of perhaps his most beautiful poem, “On Discovering a Butterfly”:

Dark pictures, thrones, the stones that pilgrims kiss,
Poems that take a thousand years to die,
But ape the immortality of this …

I’m tempted to call “Lolita” ’s penultimate sentence an apologia, but apologias are rarely so trumpetlike, so coruscating and clarion in their delivery. And this apologia also carries, in its peerless high-mindedness, not a plea for forgiveness but a hint of reproach, as if saying to the reader, “And you thought you were reading a tawdry and often sickening tale? You thought my ultimate concern was with a rank and shameless child molester, the sort of scheming fiend who raises his young charge’s nickel-and-dime allowance when she performs for him special sexual favors? Didn’t you see that my vision was, all along, focussed on only the loftiest things?”
TranslatorBaa!
bookwyrm
Profile Joined March 2014
United States722 Posts
January 28 2015 18:35 GMT
#172
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si hortum in bibliotheca habes, deerit nihil
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-29 20:51:46
January 29 2015 20:49 GMT
#173
God I love Philip Roth. Sabbath's Theater is as amazing as Portnoy's Complaint; both are amazing tragicomedies, but while Portnoy's is much more comic than tragic(first and only book that ever made me really laugh; in fact, I couldn't read it in public because people kept starting at me like I was some sort of maniac), Sabbath's is much more tragic than comic. The writing is amazing: smart, inventive, beautiful, and never hard to digest.
The thing I hear the most about Philip Roth is how well he represents jewish and american identity, but I am neither and yet I feel a very strong connection to his stories.
Definitely my favorite living - perhaps ever - American writer.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
January 29 2015 22:46 GMT
#174
I'm about 9 books ahead of schedule apparently for reading 50 books in a year, so I'm finally starting War and Peace. I'm kind of excited, but the book is so daunting, even to look at. >__>
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
bookwyrm
Profile Joined March 2014
United States722 Posts
January 29 2015 23:09 GMT
#175
read it along with something else, a little at a time. it's beautiful
si hortum in bibliotheca habes, deerit nihil
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-30 00:51:56
January 29 2015 23:52 GMT
#176
It's easy to read and it's very fun and "enlightening". I was scared to begin it too but after 100 pages you get sucked in and it flows by effortlessly. Now reading:

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ZeroChrome
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1001 Posts
January 30 2015 00:35 GMT
#177
On January 30 2015 07:46 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I'm about 9 books ahead of schedule apparently for reading 50 books in a year, so I'm finally starting War and Peace. I'm kind of excited, but the book is so daunting, even to look at. >__>


It's really amazing once you get into it. I was about 50-60% done it 2 years ago and then my ereader died and I lost my place and didn't pick it back up :/

read this yesterday

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Picked up Murakami's Dance Dance Dance as well.
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bookwyrm
Profile Joined March 2014
United States722 Posts
January 30 2015 01:04 GMT
#178
what is that mia cuoto book like
si hortum in bibliotheca habes, deerit nihil
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-30 03:56:46
January 30 2015 03:56 GMT
#179
On January 30 2015 08:09 bookwyrm wrote:
read it along with something else, a little at a time. it's beautiful

I have a lot of reading for class, so there's plenty of side things to read it with. I'll probably be done with like 10 required books before I make significant headway.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
January 30 2015 04:18 GMT
#180
I'm reading the Dresden Files and I like the mystery/fantasy parts of it but the tropes are borderline fucking unbearable. It seems like two of the three main female characters are entirely irrational:

Cop partner: "I'm a hardnosed cop and I'm going to try to get the protagonist arrested every single book and accuse him of lying even though I see batshit crazy things on a regular basis"

Wife of ally: "My husband is a holy warrior but I'm going to just irrationally be a cunt to the protagonist because I think my husband gets hurt when he's around"

I get that this isn't high literature but, Jesus Christ,, get this man an editor.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
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