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bookwyrm
Profile Joined March 2014
United States722 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-08 20:52:02
September 08 2014 20:50 GMT
#1141
Oh yeah, we're in agreement, linear systems are just special cases of nonlinear systems in which the relevant parameters are within certain ranges that are prior to the onset of chaos. All of reality is actually nonlinear but a lot of stuff that we deal in our every day life is part of the linear special case.

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si hortum in bibliotheca habes, deerit nihil
NinthMango
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden8 Posts
September 08 2014 21:28 GMT
#1142
I'm currently finding myself in a phase where I'm reading a lot about China and its history, politics, economics and philosophies.

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The Puppet Emperor, The Life of Puyi Last Emperor of China - Brian Power
As the name entails this book is about the life of Puyi the last of the Qing dynasty. This guy became "ruler" of China at the mere age of two years old and died an ordinary citizen of the Peoples Republic of China in 1967. He lived through times of an empire who became a republic, warlords and foreign imperialists, world wars, the japanese invasion and the cultural revolution. It is much like the movie about Puyi by Bernando Bertolucci, The Last Emperor, except it gives more insight to the historical events for China as a country both before and during his lifetime. It also concentrates a bit more on other important people besides the emperor himself more than Bertoluccis movie.

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Adam Smith in Beijing - Giovanni Arrighi
This one is a good book for those interested in economics and the result of neoliberal doctrines in Asia. It's a book talking about how the country changed after the opening up to foreign investors led by Deng Xiaopings economic market reforms. He is talking about how the Western capitalists longed for the chinese market but didn't like the emerging Chinese capitalist class as a result and also makes predictions of how the 21st century will see an East Asian advance as well as an American retreat.

Currently I'm reading two books about Confucius as I'm a little bit disappointed with my philosophy class where we only read the old greeks.

Also I'm wondering if anyone here has read a lot from Amartya Sen or Douglas Vickers and can give me a recommendation of their best or most important works.
bookwyrm
Profile Joined March 2014
United States722 Posts
September 08 2014 21:35 GMT
#1143
Hell yeah Giovanni Arrighi

what are you reading about Confucius? I went through a period where I was reading quite a bit about Confucianism. Have you already read the Zhuangzi? That is the pinnacle of classical Chinese philosophy imo, one of the great works of philosophy period
si hortum in bibliotheca habes, deerit nihil
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
September 08 2014 21:40 GMT
#1144
ah, all is well.

and having full knowledge / deducing a perfect model sounds like an absurdity.
reminds me of the last question by asimov.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
bookwyrm
Profile Joined March 2014
United States722 Posts
September 08 2014 21:42 GMT
#1145
yes that story is a very cute little vulgar Hegelian parable
si hortum in bibliotheca habes, deerit nihil
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-09 03:16:29
September 09 2014 03:13 GMT
#1146
I would just like to say that google is paying homage to the greatest writer ever. Also Levin is the greatest character in literature. That is all.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
September 09 2014 04:06 GMT
#1147
I found Scott Lynch's Locke book in Powell's for three bucks and nabbed it. I hope it's as good as you guys have been saying. Will read it after I finish The Gypsy and Nine Princes of Amber.

I actually picked up Lawrence's what's-it of Thorns book in B&N last week and skimmed through the beginning. The prose is beautiful, but at the same time, annoys the fuck out of me. Something about how Jorg constructs sentences just makes it difficult for me to read. I might give it another try at some point given all the hype, but it's moved a bit farther down my list.
NinthMango
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden8 Posts
September 09 2014 18:24 GMT
#1148
One is by a Swedish author and I doubt that it has been translated.
The other one is called The Chinese Mind by Gung-Hsing Wang. I managed to stumble upon a copy from 1948 in an antiquarian bookshop for just a few bucks.
That one doesn't talk exclusively about Confucianism but also brings up Taoism, Legalism and the later Republicanism.

I haven't read the Zhuangzi yet but I actually have a copy of it in my bookshelf. Thing is that it's in Chinese and I don't think my Chinese is good enough for it, especially since I don't practice too much anymore after moving back from China to Sweden. I should buy myself an English or Swedish though.
A3th3r
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
United States319 Posts
September 09 2014 18:32 GMT
#1149
Magelord: The Awakening by Thomas K. Martin. Great read. Comes highly recommended.
stale trite schlub
bookwyrm
Profile Joined March 2014
United States722 Posts
September 09 2014 19:43 GMT
#1150
Have you read much Classical Chinese? I don't have any Chinese at all but my impression is that the classical language is a whole nother animal. The Zhuangzi is brilliant though recommend checking it out. For a really nice overview of Classical Chinese philosophy I recommend _Disputers of the Tao_ by Graham
si hortum in bibliotheca habes, deerit nihil
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
September 09 2014 19:49 GMT
#1151
Finished the Gay Science, which interested me very little, and Vanity Fair, which is very close to a masterpiece. Easy to read, very smart psychology and Thackeray let's you ample freedom to take your own moral stance on his characters. Definitely recommended.

I'm two third into One Hundred Year of Solitude, my gf offered me a new one because she still hasn't finished her own^^ It's good, but I'm not too enthusiastic yet.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
September 09 2014 20:32 GMT
#1152
One Hundred Years is actually one of my favorite books out of all the books they forced us to read in HS. But it kind of hit my mood-crafting kink really hard even if it didn't excel in every other area.
Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2662 Posts
September 11 2014 17:06 GMT
#1153
Finished:
Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov - A very funny book full of weirdness. I'll admit I felt a touch odd reading some of it, but it's one of the best written books I've read (I haven't read many classics) and quite entertaining. I admit I had a lot of trouble trying to figure Dolores/Lolita/Lo/Dolly out and I never really did. Mr. Hamburg/Hamburt/Humberg/Humbert was a riot though.

We are still groping perhaps, but we grope intelligently, like a gynaecologist feeling a tumour

The odd flickering between American and British English spellings were noted, although I'm putting this down to the second/third language nature of the author. The fact that he wrote this in a non-native language is mind-blowing.
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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
September 11 2014 21:53 GMT
#1154
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Not done with this book. I'm only 40 pages in and already vehemently disagree with how they've made their argument. + Show Spoiler +
It's basically documentary hypothesis applied to OB Gilgamesh. Inconsistences in the OB material must mean that there was an entirely separate Huwawa narrative, preserved by the Yale tablets + school extract tablets, preceding the OB epic.

Which is total bunk, to me. Maybe it's 'cause I've read too much bad fiction, but there are plenty of "inconsistent" stories, where things early on are not referenced later in the story (because it's not relevant or because the author has decided to shift the focus of the story). This still happens in the computer age, where it's actually easy to back-edit your stories. Now imagine you're writing on clay tablets. If you decide to change something later on, are you going to take the effort to write a whole new tablet just to change one word in the earlier tablets to make it all perfectly consistent? Fuck no; you'd have to rewrite it all by hand, then bake it. Not to mention, there are plenty of examples of inconsistent narration in the Mesopotamian tradition. You don't have to make up a new text to explain inconsistencies. You also can't prove it until we dig it outta the ground.

It is nice that the authors point the "inconsistencies" out; at least now they've been collected, though I'm still not sure "it mentioned lions (pl.) earlier, but later it only said 'a lion' (sg.)" is an example of inconsistent narration.


Witness, literary analysis in my field. Lots of noise about nothing.
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-11 22:16:23
September 11 2014 22:12 GMT
#1155
On September 12 2014 02:06 Flicky wrote:
Finished:
Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov - A very funny book full of weirdness. I'll admit I felt a touch odd reading some of it, but it's one of the best written books I've read (I haven't read many classics) and quite entertaining. I admit I had a lot of trouble trying to figure Dolores/Lolita/Lo/Dolly out and I never really did. Mr. Hamburg/Hamburt/Humberg/Humbert was a riot though.

We are still groping perhaps, but we grope intelligently, like a gynaecologist feeling a tumour

The odd flickering between American and British English spellings were noted, although I'm putting this down to the second/third language nature of the author. The fact that he wrote this in a non-native language is mind-blowing.

Actually, Nabokov learned to read and write english before russian. His family spoke three languages at home(the two mentioned and french). Also, his style is very intricate.

Most likely he's fucking around.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
September 12 2014 01:03 GMT
#1156
On September 12 2014 06:53 babylon wrote:
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Not done with this book. I'm only 40 pages in and already vehemently disagree with how they've made their argument. + Show Spoiler +
It's basically documentary hypothesis applied to OB Gilgamesh. Inconsistences in the OB material must mean that there was an entirely separate Huwawa narrative, preserved by the Yale tablets + school extract tablets, preceding the OB epic.

Which is total bunk, to me. Maybe it's 'cause I've read too much bad fiction, but there are plenty of "inconsistent" stories, where things early on are not referenced later in the story (because it's not relevant or because the author has decided to shift the focus of the story). This still happens in the computer age, where it's actually easy to back-edit your stories. Now imagine you're writing on clay tablets. If you decide to change something later on, are you going to take the effort to write a whole new tablet just to change one word in the earlier tablets to make it all perfectly consistent? Fuck no; you'd have to rewrite it all by hand, then bake it. Not to mention, there are plenty of examples of inconsistent narration in the Mesopotamian tradition. You don't have to make up a new text to explain inconsistencies. You also can't prove it until we dig it outta the ground.

It is nice that the authors point the "inconsistencies" out; at least now they've been collected, though I'm still not sure "it mentioned lions (pl.) earlier, but later it only said 'a lion' (sg.)" is an example of inconsistent narration.


Witness, literary analysis in my field. Lots of noise about nothing.


Nah man. With oral epics that get retold and retold they have to be narratively tight and consistent otherwise the kids listening would be annoying the hell out of the storyteller asking why there are 2 lions now when originally there were 3.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
September 12 2014 20:34 GMT
#1157
+ Show Spoiler +
To be fair, they assume (and I think correctly) that the separate Akkadian Huwawa narrative (if it exists) would exist textually as a direct descendent of the Sumerian Huwawa text (which is a standalone and not a part of an epic). And once things are written in text, they're much less prone to variation. (I still think lion vs. lions is idiotic, though, which is why I mentioned it.)

They might be right. I don't think their inability to present a convincing argument is proof that they're wrong. A standalone Akkadian Huwawa narrative might exist, but they make the argument the wrong way, and they ultimately can't prove it unless we find it (but then we have the funny issue of "How can we tell it's not just a part of the OB epic?"). The most telling piece of evidence is actually the fact that the surrounding parts of the OB epic (before and after the Huwawa episode) are only attested in multi-column tablets, while all the bits to do with Huwawa are well-attested not only in the multi-column Yale tablet but also in the one-column extract tablets. Still doesn't prove anything, but it's actually solid evidence that for whatever reason, scribal schools found the Huwawa episode more important to copy.

Ultimately, it's all just speculation though (and thus, a waste of my time).

And now I think I am going to change my research direction from ancient literature to ancient accounting. It might actually get me a job, in addition to providing actual answers. Funny how that works.


Finished The Gypsy the other day: The lovechild of a Hungarian folktale and a modern day murder mystery. I think it's well-done for what they were trying to do (i.e. tell an urban folktale), but what they were trying to write incidentally did not play to their strengths. Their styles mixed much better than I thought they would, however; exactly what I'd expect from a high-level co-write.

Now 100 pages into Nine Princes of Amber and am kind of disappointed. Zelazny's prose is pretty clumsy (esp. in the first few chapters) given the hype, though it improves tremendously once he finds his wind. Will hold my judgment on the plot until I finish it.
A3th3r
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
United States319 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-13 02:09:59
September 13 2014 02:06 GMT
#1158
The House of Bairn is great.. The story is very much a dreamscape. And, of course, Dune, only the best 'political' sci fi book ever (imo lol ). There is such epic, sweeping scale there that it blows my mind. 'Armor' also owns cause its so b.a.. These are such total guy-fantasy books lol. Hey I guess I know the type of thing that appeals to me! Is that so bad?
stale trite schlub
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 14 2014 02:16 GMT
#1159
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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
September 14 2014 02:19 GMT
#1160
Lookin like Eraserhead, nice.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
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