On August 29 2013 01:31 Cel.erity wrote: Gotta hand it to the writers, this plot twist was unexpected.
I agree with it being unexpected, but I'm a little uncomfortable with how convenient and easy it's been to pin something on any villain (Hardman, Stephen, etc.) that enters the firm against Harvey and Jessica's will.
I mean it was established that Stephen played dirty earlier when he admitted he would be fine with bribing witnesses so this isn't exactly out of left field.
It is interesting though that of the lawyers who play dirty (Tanner, Hardman, Stephen) that only Tanner is typically able to stay out of trouble and they always seem to lose because they played dirty. The only lawyer who actually managed to beat Harvey was Darby and he did it clean.
On August 29 2013 08:29 Dreamer.T wrote: It feels like every time that Harvey needs to corner someone or beat the crap out of them, they are always conveniently washing their hands in the bathroom xD.
They've gotta wash all the shit-talk off.
On that note, there has been a massive increase of profanity in the series. Wish they would tone it down a bit.
On August 29 2013 01:31 Cel.erity wrote: Gotta hand it to the writers, this plot twist was unexpected.
I agree with it being unexpected, but I'm a little uncomfortable with how convenient and easy it's been to pin something on any villain (Hardman, Stephen, etc.) that enters the firm against Harvey and Jessica's will.
I mean it was established that Stephen played dirty earlier when he admitted he would be fine with bribing witnesses so this isn't exactly out of left field.
It is interesting though that of the lawyers who play dirty (Tanner, Hardman, Stephen) that only Tanner is typically able to stay out of trouble and they always seem to lose because they played dirty. The only lawyer who actually managed to beat Harvey was Darby and he did it clean.
Didn't he use some sort of bullshit "accepted practice but not official law" from England and not America to beat Harvey though? I remember something about Mike memorizing the manual and Darby seemingly making up some bullshit freeze or rule that wasn't in the books?
Obviously it's not as dirty as some of the things that other people have done, but still, I feel like Darby is okay with going into the gray.
On August 29 2013 07:19 Dwelf wrote: To all the people talking about how 'convenient' the win was for Jessica/harvey, I think you might be missing the point that the hole show is based on harvey winning with smooth moves and miracle evidence that turns up. It would feel very out of character if all of a sudden harvey truly has to suffer for a while. Maybe its an interesting plot twist sure, but so far the show has not really hinted at this.
Just because Harvey epitomizes being smooth and being a winner doesn't mean that he can't occasionally suffer a loss or become uncomfortable... that's what adds drama and makes the show more interesting... not to mention makes him look human.
On August 29 2013 07:19 Dwelf wrote: To all the people talking about how 'convenient' the win was for Jessica/harvey, I think you might be missing the point that the hole show is based on harvey winning with smooth moves and miracle evidence that turns up. It would feel very out of character if all of a sudden harvey truly has to suffer for a while. Maybe its an interesting plot twist sure, but so far the show has not really hinted at this.
Just because Harvey epitomizes being smooth and being a winner doesn't mean that he can't occasionally suffer a loss or become uncomfortable... that's what adds drama and makes the show more interesting... not to mention makes him look human.
Except he has never lost a case before, so they can't make him lose a case now!
On August 29 2013 07:19 Dwelf wrote: To all the people talking about how 'convenient' the win was for Jessica/harvey, I think you might be missing the point that the hole show is based on harvey winning with smooth moves and miracle evidence that turns up. It would feel very out of character if all of a sudden harvey truly has to suffer for a while. Maybe its an interesting plot twist sure, but so far the show has not really hinted at this.
Just because Harvey epitomizes being smooth and being a winner doesn't mean that he can't occasionally suffer a loss or become uncomfortable... that's what adds drama and makes the show more interesting... not to mention makes him look human.
Except he has never lost a case before, so they can't make him lose a case now!
He already lost when Eva (Ava?) admitted to the bribe.
On August 29 2013 08:29 Dreamer.T wrote: It feels like every time that Harvey needs to corner someone or beat the crap out of them, they are always conveniently washing their hands in the bathroom xD.
They've gotta wash all the shit-talk off.
On that note, there has been a massive increase of profanity in the series. Wish they would tone it down a bit.
I quite like it. I don't think ALL the profanity has been out of place. Some of it maybe. I think it's the writers giving the middle finger to the FCC and trying to get away with w/e they can. I for one am all for that.
On August 29 2013 08:29 Dreamer.T wrote: It feels like every time that Harvey needs to corner someone or beat the crap out of them, they are always conveniently washing their hands in the bathroom xD.
They've gotta wash all the shit-talk off.
On that note, there has been a massive increase of profanity in the series. Wish they would tone it down a bit.
I quite like it. I don't think ALL the profanity has been out of place. Some of it maybe. I think it's the writers giving the middle finger to the FCC and trying to get away with w/e they can. I for one am all for that.
The reason the I got into the show was the amazing dialogue in the first season. It was very witty and clean. The dialogue certainly isn't bad now, but they've definitely felt the need to add a lot more shouting and vulgar words in to make a point in certain scenes. Some are necessary, but there are many scenes where I can think of several different ways to rephrase what they've said without the swear words.
On August 29 2013 08:29 Dreamer.T wrote: It feels like every time that Harvey needs to corner someone or beat the crap out of them, they are always conveniently washing their hands in the bathroom xD.
They've gotta wash all the shit-talk off.
On that note, there has been a massive increase of profanity in the series. Wish they would tone it down a bit.
I quite like it. I don't think ALL the profanity has been out of place. Some of it maybe. I think it's the writers giving the middle finger to the FCC and trying to get away with w/e they can. I for one am all for that.
The reason the I got into the show was the amazing dialogue in the first season. It was very witty and clean. The dialogue certainly isn't bad now, but they've definitely felt the need to add a lot more shouting and vulgar words in to make a point in certain scenes. Some are necessary, but there are many scenes where I can think of several different ways to rephrase what they've said without the swear words.
On August 29 2013 08:29 Dreamer.T wrote: It feels like every time that Harvey needs to corner someone or beat the crap out of them, they are always conveniently washing their hands in the bathroom xD.
They've gotta wash all the shit-talk off.
On that note, there has been a massive increase of profanity in the series. Wish they would tone it down a bit.
I quite like it. I don't think ALL the profanity has been out of place. Some of it maybe. I think it's the writers giving the middle finger to the FCC and trying to get away with w/e they can. I for one am all for that.
The reason the I got into the show was the amazing dialogue in the first season. It was very witty and clean. The dialogue certainly isn't bad now, but they've definitely felt the need to add a lot more shouting and vulgar words in to make a point in certain scenes. Some are necessary, but there are many scenes where I can think of several different ways to rephrase what they've said without the swear words.
I gotta say, i loved the part when Stephen was outed at the bigger meeting with Jessica, Harvey and Donna. Especially the way Donna was reacting and Harvey realizing that she'd been hurt by Stephen. That one was just done perfectly.
Some are complaining how easily Stephen is getting written out, but keep in mind that the whole purpose he had in the show, was because of this kill-order he gave. The fact he had a love-interest with Donna was character developing for Donna and secondary to Harvey. The only thing i hope they won't do, is forget this has happened between them in the last few episode or even the next season. They can't go back to the simple dynamic of senior partner & secretary.
On August 29 2013 01:31 Cel.erity wrote: Gotta hand it to the writers, this plot twist was unexpected.
I agree with it being unexpected, but I'm a little uncomfortable with how convenient and easy it's been to pin something on any villain (Hardman, Stephen, etc.) that enters the firm against Harvey and Jessica's will.
I mean it was established that Stephen played dirty earlier when he admitted he would be fine with bribing witnesses so this isn't exactly out of left field.
It is interesting though that of the lawyers who play dirty (Tanner, Hardman, Stephen) that only Tanner is typically able to stay out of trouble and they always seem to lose because they played dirty. The only lawyer who actually managed to beat Harvey was Darby and he did it clean.
Didn't he use some sort of bullshit "accepted practice but not official law" from England and not America to beat Harvey though? I remember something about Mike memorizing the manual and Darby seemingly making up some bullshit freeze or rule that wasn't in the books?
Obviously it's not as dirty as some of the things that other people have done, but still, I feel like Darby is okay with going into the gray.
He used a longstanding tradition that any lawyer in that country would have known in order to use Mikes strength against him. I would hardly consider using your superior understanding of the legal system to your advantage as a grey area. Harvey's side play that episode was based on fact that Darby played by the rules so breaking them might not make him look so good.
(if you want more evidence of Darby's fair play you can surmise how he felt about what Stephen did in next episode preview)
On August 28 2013 12:31 micronesia wrote: I thought the cat scenes were hilarious, personally. And I'm glad that things seem to be going well for Rachel.
I want this Eva Hessington storyline to just end.
Out with Eva storyline and in with 'one case per episode' things. I like the beginning of season 1 the most so far. It's still good its just not as good.
I'm glad to see Stephen get his ass kicked. That he had a stake in the case explained why he have done such a shitty job for a lawyer highly regarded in England.
On August 29 2013 08:29 Dreamer.T wrote: It feels like every time that Harvey needs to corner someone or beat the crap out of them, they are always conveniently washing their hands in the bathroom xD.
They've gotta wash all the shit-talk off.
On that note, there has been a massive increase of profanity in the series. Wish they would tone it down a bit.
I quite like it. I don't think ALL the profanity has been out of place. Some of it maybe. I think it's the writers giving the middle finger to the FCC and trying to get away with w/e they can. I for one am all for that.
The reason the I got into the show was the amazing dialogue in the first season. It was very witty and clean. The dialogue certainly isn't bad now, but they've definitely felt the need to add a lot more shouting and vulgar words in to make a point in certain scenes. Some are necessary, but there are many scenes where I can think of several different ways to rephrase what they've said without the swear words.
On August 29 2013 20:23 Nyovne wrote: KKAAAAATTTTRRRRIIIIINNAAAAAAAA where art thou?! I so was expecting her to be Louis his lawlyer.
Didn't Rachel say to Louis that Nigel had sent Katrina away for some sort of faux training session just so Katrina couldn't be Louis's lawyer (and then Louis turned to Rachel for help)?
I'm fine with seeing more of Katrina... it's just certainly hard to give the whole cast a ton of screen time and not sacrifice quality for quantity.
On August 29 2013 01:31 Cel.erity wrote: Gotta hand it to the writers, this plot twist was unexpected.
I agree with it being unexpected, but I'm a little uncomfortable with how convenient and easy it's been to pin something on any villain (Hardman, Stephen, etc.) that enters the firm against Harvey and Jessica's will.
I mean it was established that Stephen played dirty earlier when he admitted he would be fine with bribing witnesses so this isn't exactly out of left field.
It is interesting though that of the lawyers who play dirty (Tanner, Hardman, Stephen) that only Tanner is typically able to stay out of trouble and they always seem to lose because they played dirty. The only lawyer who actually managed to beat Harvey was Darby and he did it clean.
Didn't he use some sort of bullshit "accepted practice but not official law" from England and not America to beat Harvey though? I remember something about Mike memorizing the manual and Darby seemingly making up some bullshit freeze or rule that wasn't in the books?
Obviously it's not as dirty as some of the things that other people have done, but still, I feel like Darby is okay with going into the gray.
He used a longstanding tradition that any lawyer in that country would have known in order to use Mikes strength against him. I would hardly consider using your superior understanding of the legal system to your advantage as a grey area. Harvey's side play that episode was based on fact that Darby played by the rules so breaking them might not make him look so good.
(if you want more evidence of Darby's fair play you can surmise how he felt about what Stephen did in next episode preview)
Fair enough I'm definitely interested in seeing what Darby ends up doing (or how he ends up siding) as this Ava Hessington trial comes to a close.
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I'm definitely interested in seeing what Darby ends up doing (or how he ends up siding) as this Ava Hessington trial comes to a close. 
