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No, this is not a joke/trolling thread. We don't need more filler posts asking if it is.

Remember to spoiler season 6 content, and clearly label your spoilers.
nohbrows
Profile Joined February 2011
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Last Edited: 2012-05-01 10:18:09
May 01 2012 09:56 GMT
#11361
TO THE CONFUSED, PERPLEXED, AND DOWN RIGHT CREEPED OUT.


Warning. Incoming Wall of Text.

To members of the TLPony Community: Please skip to the end for a special note

As a Liquidite, it would not have been hard to notice, especially if you visit the General Forum often, that there was a thread titled "My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic" that always somehow managed to stay within the top 10, if not the top 20, threads of the General quite frequently.

Maybe you have heard of the show before. After all, the internet has been filled with pony related memes for the past few days months year. Or maybe you have not. Either way, the fact that My Little Pony, of all things, is showing up in a forum for Starcraft players and general e-sports enthusiasts, perplexes you. We, grown men (and women) who follow the actions of sick baller nerds, guzzle beer at barcrafts and admire the handsome bodies of our favorite progamers, have on our patron forum a thread dedicated to a little girl's show.

Naturally, you ask yourself, "What the hell is this thing doing here? I must check it out." And you click on the thread, and land yourself into one of the most beautiful OPs in the ENTIRE forum (seriously, I've been here an year and there are only a handful of threads with this much dedication into the OP. Anyways that's besides the point).

Your question burns inside you. It gnaws at your soul, you know you cannot get any sleep until you have been given an answer, and so you rush to the white reply box on the bottom of the page and post something that might look like this:

On May 01 2012 14:48 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
I still don't get what makes this show attractive to so many older males. Very odd indeed.


Or:
Or even this:
On August 12 2011 02:41 MangoTango wrote:
...What, target audience males 15-35? What in the world is this


Have some more:
On August 12 2011 05:21 Z3kk wrote:
Yeah, I've been wondering: how did the viewer base shift towards the older males demographic? I don't get it :O I've just been seeing a lot of people mention this, memes pop up, etc.

On August 12 2011 06:48 Fontong wrote:
Yeah, I just don't see what it so attractive about this. So many other good children's shows out there too, so it doesn't make sense to me why people think that it is good. I somewhat have to agree with the people saying that it is a joke fad. I wouldn't be surprised if people watch and promote just so they can say that they do, no matter that it isn't really that great. Now, Samurai Jack, that is a good children's TV show.
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On January 26 2012 02:03 SirKibbleX wrote:
I still don't understand this show or its fandom. I have watched five episodes now, all of them recommended by bronies. The characterization is excellent for a childrens' show. The moral lessons and hell, even the music I can get behind. I just don't think the show is actually all its fandom cracks it up to be.

I think there's more an attachment to the idea of being in a large fandom and pretending to like something simplistic and childish. Maybe this is all just a massive trollfest, but I just do not understand this. If you want some good music, listen to Wu Tang Clan or Pantera or Britney Spears or Michael Jackson or Whatever. If you want good characterization, read some books or watch Firefly. If you want morality, read a book by about Ethics and Morality or watch a show like Dexter or Breaking Bad. You obviously don't want any of those things that badly, so clearly whatever else there is to the fandom has little or nothing to do with the show itself.

So then it makes me think that you all collectively either like the show because of some sort of bizarre internet-fad herd mentality or you're out to get attention. Those aren't very good traits.

On August 12 2011 13:10 flamewheel wrote:
omg what is this


I could go on and on about this but it is rather hard sifting through 500+ pages for the random times where we did have arguments.

My point here is that your question that you probably posted (why else would you be seeing this) or will ask (if you were redirected here by someone or by the OP) has been asked. A lot. Many times over, and not just in this thread, but on other websites, 4Chan itself (the origin of the pony memes and the internet phenomenon behind MLP), and in real life. So let us establish this right here and right now: Your question has been asked before, and it has been answered before. In fact, it has been answered many times in very similar matters. Why wouldn't it have, it is the same question.

Wow, you think to yourself. This is one crazy wall of text. What's your point?

The thing is, when a question like, "Why do you watch this show?" gets asked in real life, it is understandable and appropriate to respond to it. It is what conversations are for. But here on the internet, you have the ability to look through similar responses and read before posing a question or making a comment.

And this is especially true for Teamliquid. It is a generally accepted rule to read through an original post before posting in the thread. People have been warned over it, even banned before, because they failed to read the original post and then went ahead and posted in the thread.

Now, if you looked at the OP for this thread, there is a little section called "Notable Posts." And in that little "notable posts" section, there are several posts on why a certain somebody is watching this show. Some of them can qualify to be a graduate thesis because of the length and effort that went into writing it. If you had read that, you might have had your question answered.

But I shall forgive you for not going through the OP because, honestly, the OP for this thread is a bit intimidating on how large it is. And a few of the more notable posts in response to the question are not in the notable posts list. It wasn't notable enough I guess.

And because this is a forum, we tend to get into the habit of responding to anything we deem is important enough to be responded to. So we end up with a question being posed, and then people who do watch the show and love it and treasure it dearly get up in arms and type away paragraphs in response.

But the thing is, these responses are repetitive. In the same way your question might have been asked before, their response has been said before. Not only is it a waste of time and energy for both parties, but it also interrupts any current stream of discussion that might have been going on in regards to the show itself. Which can get annoying for people who do regular this thread. Because this thread has moved beyond discussion. It has evolved into a subcommunity, in the same way the Korean Music Discussion thread, the Anime Discussion Thread, the Eve Online thread, and some others have arguably turned into the virtual meeting place for a specific subcommunity. The My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic thread has also become the meeting place, announcement center, and whatever you want to call it for the MLP subcommunity here at Teamliquid.

So in order to save everyone time and energy, and to make sure the thread stays clear of any unnecessary discussion, here is a response to your question "Why?"

I have taken the liberty to compile the best responses to that question others far more qualified to answer the question have undertaken, as well as some examples I have gathered over the internet to answer this question: Why watch?

I hope the following links help out to answer your question.


First off is GMarshal, the now banling who created the thread, on why he watches MLP. it is a bit lengthy, so I just included the link here:
Why MLP: FIM is awesome.

BioSC's on the fandom, why he watches it, and why he is proud of the fandom that has grown around this show:
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On January 26 2012 02:29 BioSC wrote:
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On January 26 2012 02:03 SirKibbleX wrote:
I still don't understand this show or its fandom. I have watched five episodes now, all of them recommended by bronies. The characterization is excellent for a childrens' show. The moral lessons and hell, even the music I can get behind. I just don't think the show is actually all its fandom cracks it up to be.

I think there's more an attachment to the idea of being in a large fandom and pretending to like something simplistic and childish. Maybe this is all just a massive trollfest, but I just do not understand this. If you want some good music, listen to Wu Tang Clan or Pantera or Britney Spears or Michael Jackson or Whatever. If you want good characterization, read some books or watch Firefly. If you want morality, read a book by about Ethics and Morality or watch a show like Dexter or Breaking Bad. You obviously don't want any of those things that badly, so clearly whatever else there is to the fandom has little or nothing to do with the show itself.

So then it makes me think that you all collectively either like the show because of some sort of bizarre internet-fad herd mentality or you're out to get attention. Those aren't very good traits.



Thank you. Simply for giving the show a try. Just for that, you are better than 90% of the people who just come into this thread just to troll/make fun of/try to insult us. All we've ever asked of skeptics is that they watch a few episodes. If they like it - Great? This good show got another fan and nothing was lost. Didn't like it? That's ok too. Thanks for trying, good luck elsewhere.

In your post, you mention the different great aspects of the show: The music, the morals the characterization, ect. The point we like to make is that this show has ALL of them at the same time. Some shows may have one, or two, but this one has the complete package (in my humble opinion of course). We like it because its a great show that happens to speak to our inner child, which makes us smile, something we ALL need from time to time.

I would like to repeat one of my favorite quotes of all time, from C.S. Lewis -
“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
― C.S. Lewis

This is something that I think most of the fans of this show know and follow, even if they have never heard this quote or know who C.S. Lewis is. Simply saying something is childish and dismissing it forthright without even giving it a chance or trying to make people who like said childish thing feel bad about liking it is wrong. I am -PROUD- of liking this show, I let my friends and family know, I plan on buying merch with my disposable income, and I LOVE hanging out in IRC and this thread. If my friends disapprove of my interests to the point of not being my friends anymore, well there is no loss to me, they weren't really my friends in the first place.

Finally I would like to address the last line in your post. "So then it makes me think that you all collectively either like the show because of some sort of bizarre internet-fad herd mentality or you're out to get attention. Those aren't very good traits." This can't be more blatantly wrong and ad hominem. We aren't out to get attention. I speak for myself, of course, but I don't force people to like this show. I introduce them to it, and encourage them to watch it, yes, but that is simply a lesson in trying new things, something every one of us can be better at. As to the "Bizzare internet-fad" statement: This show began back in 2010. Since then there have been so many different charitable causes started that has raised a staggering amount of money for different causes. One of the biggest - Humble Brony Bundle - raised over 17k for Child's Play and Toys for Tots, and that is just ONE off the top of my head! Honestly, your post lost all meaning with that last sentence, and would have made it that much stronger had it been left out.

To conclude, I am a Brony - I am proud of it, and I am proud to call the TL Bronys my friends, and I hope they can call me the same. I am NOT a disturbed individual for liking a show targeted to children. And again - THANK YOU for even giving the show a chance. That's more than we could say for many other trolls that come here thinking they are better than us.

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HOLY CRAP, sorry guys, didn't mean for that to get so long >.> have a Twilight =D[image loading]


Rankith's shorter reasons on why it might be hard to get into, but also why the show is a good show from just an objective standpoint. Nice and comprehensive. Start here if you want to avoid walls of text or are in a rush:
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On September 06 2011 16:13 Rankith wrote:
Been a "Brony" since June. Just wanted to throw in my feelings on the show here, and why some people may not like it etc.

Why its hard to get into:
1. You know going into it that it is at least mostly intended for little girls.
2. The intro song reinforces #1 quite a bit.
3. There is NO GOOD starter episode(more on this later).
4. The show is great mostly because of the characters, and characters take time to develop.
5. The first two episodes are alot different then the rest.

The above results in a show that is hard to try watching with an open mind the first time, and also requires seeing at LEAST 3-4 episodes imo to really be hooked. Episode 1-2 do a good job of introducing the basics of the characters, but it sucks other then that. However, the rest of the episodes aren't going to be as enjoyable at all if you don't know the characters.

Basically, unless this kind of thing is simply... your thing, you need to give it a chance to get you hooked, and alot of people can't do that.

Now that I'm hooked, all the episodes are enjoyable end of story. This brings me to why the show is great:

1. The leading characters are diverse, believable and easy to become attached to.
The Mane 6 are the reason I enjoy the show so much, just watching them and their interactions is fun as I'm quite invested in them. I love seeing Pinky's bubblyness and super happy fun times attitude. AJs down to earth, country bumpkin attitude (and awesome accent!). Twilight's need to analyze everything and reference books and just keep looking for answers to everything. Fluttershys epic shyness. Rarities refined tastes and obvious distress when others dont act as a proper mare should. And of course Rainbows competitiveness and drive to be the best! On top of that, the characters will surprise you with their diversity and the interactions between them all are spot on and natural feeling.

2. Solid morals behind every episode.
Almost every episode manages to truly showcase and reinforce the use of a good moral. This is a good change from typical shows as they can really be taken to heart and help you improve you lookout on some things.

3. FUN, I finish an episode with a smile on my face every time, no matter my mood before hand.
Nothing else to say here, its just FUN.

4. It's refreshing and "wholesome" fun. Its just a great break from negativity, violence, all that sort of stuff.
This is oh so welcome to me. I have always been a person that likes to help and be overly nice to other people. In this day and age though it can be hard not to become cynical and jaded as I was for quite some time. This really helped me personally get back to how I was when I was a little younger and I feel much better for it.

5. Great music. Obviously subjective but the music routines in the show are great.
I don't even care about music in general, but all the songs in this are catchy, and there is so much good fan made music that any genre you like you can find.

6. Good graphics/animation. Its quite visually appealing and is quite sharp.
Again, not much to expound upon, its just nice to look at .

7. Community.
The brony community really embraces the principals of the show, and that makes for a great, helpful and just overall nice group. See: http://broniesforgood.org/. Hands down the "best" community I have ever been a part of, especially considering its spawned on the internet lol.

For me, becoming a Brony really helped me get over being very jaded and a few other things. Im back to volunteering more, helping random strangers whenever I have the chance, and have cut back on general negative things such as drinking alot (not that thats bad, just too much of it when I could be doing better things). I also slightly disconnected from a group of friends that just aren't healthy to be around (idiots, assholes, drunkards etc. Just generally a negative/bad group of people that I enjoyed doing slightly... less then great things with). All in all, it really helped me become a "better" person again and I feel like there is a bit more purpose to my life as I'm giving back alot more.

Obviously the above paragraph is a bit specific to me as a person, but im sure the show/fandom has had similar if lesser effects on other peoples lives. It really can be more then just a show to you if you take the principles to heart.

That was a little long, so a TL;DR:
The characters are great, the morals are strong, its refreshing and good old fashioned enjoyable. It WILL leave you with a smile on your face and feeling good no matter what. All you have to do is open your mind, accept it for what it is and you will <3 it. (That is unless it really just isn't your thing, which is fine ).



To clear up some of the previous mental images you might have of MLP:FiM. Top set of pictures are previous versions of the show. The bottom pictures is the show currently:
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On January 04 2012 13:52 Aylear wrote:
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On January 04 2012 02:22 CarelessPride wrote:
wtf this isn't a troll thread now is it.. you guys are serious? Wtf... so this .. wtf

Hmm.


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On October 27 2011 14:44 CarelessPride wrote:
ignorant, judgmental fucks these days




Welcome to the thread, CP! Check out a few episodes, have fun, and enjoy your stay.The reason your reaction is one of disbelief and incredulity is because you think we're watching

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when we're really watching

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Which is a case which has been made before.

Cheers, CP!


A sample on the demographics of the show, taken from the season 2 finale. Note that the numbers for "Adults 18-49" might be higher due to the fact that many of us watch the show online through streams, because these numbers do not reflect online viewership:
http://investor.hasbro.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=666931

A Wired Magazine article on My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. It is, in my opinion, one of the best written articles by an actual publication (I'm pretty sure you have heard of WIRED. It is a pretty good magazine). It is good because of the angle it approaches the story. In short, it tells of how an Autistic man has helped himself learn social skills through My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2011/06/bronies-my-little-ponys/

A cartoon that more or less sums up our feelings to haters:
On January 26 2012 06:18 Aylear wrote:
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On January 26 2012 02:13 SirKibbleX wrote:
I just hope you all understand that there's consequences for publicly liking something like this. I don't personally have anything wrong with what you like and watch. To me its like peoples' sexual interests. I don't care what you like to do in the bedroom, but I would highly recommend against going around with a shirt on that says, "I like to eat girls out while they are on their periods."

Liking something aimed at children like this comes across as very creepy and potentially pedophilic behavior. The fact that there is a good underlying structure doesn't really excuse it. It's like adults who play competitive Pokemon. Yes, they are phenomenal games and no one else makes a similar product (games with identical gameplay and quality). The difference is that other people DO make similar products (shows, music, books) as My Little Pony.


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Anything else I have to say on the matter has already been said by the rest of the people in this thread, and C. S. Lewis.


An analysis of the show's characters that a friend of FoxyMayhem did. It is quite well thought out and well written.
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And, my own essay on what I love about My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic so far, even if a lot of it is stuff you've already seen critics saying before.

* The characters are unbelievably well-rounded for a kid's show, and at least adequately well-rounded for ANY show.

They straddle the line that makes the inner DM and NPC-designer in me go 'squeee!'. They are all solid archetypes while still being enough against type to totally avoid being stereotyped.

For example, let's take the first pony of the Mane Cast we see and the one who is essentially the Buffy of this ensemble cast, as it were. Twilight Sparkle, apprentice to Queen Celestia.

Twilight loves to read. Did we mention she loves to read? She lives in a library for pete's sake. She is first seen living in the Princess' palace at Canterlot, with the high status of personal apprentice to the Solar Queen Of All She Surveys, and she has no social life at all. Her episode 1 signature line is "I am her student and I will do my royal duty, but the fate of Equestria does not rest on me making friends!"

So, Twilight Sparkle is a book-loving socially awkward nerd. Filling in the rest of the mental blanks, this means she'll also be shy, lacking in leadership skills, and either bravely timid or just timid...

... wrong. Twilight Sparkle doesn't hide in the library because she's unable to deal. Twilight Sparkle lives in a library because she likes books more than parties, period. Twilight Sparkle is the team leader, the one who takes charge, the one who can organize an entire town full of ponies on a massive complex terraforming project ("Winter Wrap-Up") and make it look easy when the ponies who have been doing it all their lives have lost the plot. And Twilight Sparkle is the one who, when confronted with the legendary Nightmare Moon, the dark goddess who once plunged the world into Eternal Night and is like a billion times more powerful than her, doesn't even blink before putting her horn down and charging straight at her throat. Twilight Sparkle is a badass.

And yet she's the same pony who will spend an entire episode having an anxiety attack about knowing various things about her friends that she promised not to tell her other friends, even if life would be so much easier if her other friends knew about the misunderstandings with her friends, but she promised not to, and if she breaks that promise then (gasp) she won't have any friends!. When, of course, real friends entirely don't end friendships over things that petty, but how would Twilight Sparkle know? This is the first time she's even had friends. So yes, Twilight Sparkle, smartest pony in Ponyville, can still sometimes be spectacularly dumb and yet in believable fashion... and yet still totally subverts her trope.

And then there's Rarity. On a girl's show, Rarity is the girliest of the girl characters. She doesn't willingly step hoof out of her house without having spent oodles of time curling her mane and arranging her make-up just so. She's the resident fashion plate who obsesses on clothes and shoes. (In fact, she's also the town's tailor, dressmaker, and fashion designer, andmakes fancy clothes professionally.) She can't stand dirt, she's obsessive-compulsive, and she's all about bringing elegance and beauty and refinement.

So, she's the snobby, bitchy cheerleader straight out of high school drama, right? Wrong. Rarity is one of the most generous people in Ponyville. At least two episodes have their plots driven by the fact that Rarity sometimes goes overboard trying to do nice things for her friends. She doesn't snub anyone for being poor or un-fashion-conscious (except maybe that one time with Applejack), she doesn't look down on anyone, and she's not too 'important' or 'refined' to work; Rarity spends multiple occasions pulling obsessive all-nighters to make her business run, and when she commits to deliver you X # of dresses on time and to spec, she will deliver X # of dresses on time and to spec or die trying. Even if her customers are insane.

For the love of God, one of the episodes I mentioned above ("Suited For Success") is about the girliest member of a girls' show cast trying to sew enough dresses in time to give to all her friends so they can put on a fashion show for a famous designer and help Rarity live her dream while at the same time giving all her friends free dresses for the upcoming Grand Galloping Gala, and by this point you think anybody with a Y-chromosome would be dying from the pure girly overload, and yet its one of the show's more critically-acclaimed episodes, especially by those segments of the brony demographic that you think would be most violently allergic. I don't even know how the hell that works, yet it does.

* The characters are flawed, human people... who happen to be ponies.

Nobody's perfect on this show. No one. Rarity is a hardworking generous soul who just genuinely wants everything around her to be beautiful, but if she loses her perspective re: priorities she'll spend half a day trying to tweak a single birds' nest to be 'just so' and ignoring every other aspect of the project going on. Or she'll get so caught up in the rush of a new experience that she'll completely forget she was there to support someone else in the first place, and instead starts competing with them. Twilight Sparkle has the cojones to try and solo the Dark Goddess herself, but can mentally lock-up at the thought of even minor embarassment or failure in front of her mentor and/or start thinking that she's so smart that nobody else can be smart too. Applejack is the epitome of hardworking and down-to-earth, but she's also stubborner than a mule and too proud to let other people help even when they want to. Rainbow Dash is a genuinely loyal friend, a total ace at what she does, and has balls of steel... but she also has the tact of a lead softball bat wrapped in barbed wire and her signature quote might as well be "LEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRROOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYY JEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINSSSSSSSSS!" Pinkie Pie is the happiest person anywhere and knows everybody and just wants to spread happiness and joy... but she's so hyperactive even her friends can only take her in limited doses, and she has issues. And Fluttershy is the most lovable and adorable thing ever... but that doesn't mean she's immune to either errors of judgement, or that epic stress-induced blowout in the season finale that cannot be described, only witnessed.

In the course of 26 episodes everybody has saved the day at least once, and everybody has been the problem at least once. Because is nobody is right all the time, nobody is perfect all the time, and sometimes your strongest character trait is in fact the least useful way to handle something, and you need to let someone else take the lead against it. Nobody is the writer's pet (even if some come slightly closer than others), and nobody's the butt monkey (even if some fans think Applejack could headline more episodes, that's nowhere near the same thing as Applejack being dumped on, as she ain't).

And since its inevitable that you will screw up at least once, being mortal, the important thing is... what do you do then?

This show remembers that. And addresses it.

And in line with the less unrealistic expectations it tries to impose on the impressionable little kids, we have...

* There is no One True Way to be either a 'proper girl' or a successful or happy person in general.

The producer, Lauren Faust, has been known to vent her spleen on this very thing; so many times, a girl's show is all about being whatever the show-runner's vision of a 'proper' young lady is, period. And usually that vision is unrealistically saccharine.

And this show explodes the living hell out of that treatise. All of the six Mane Cast members are presented as successful, responsible young women in control of their own lives and prospering by their own talents, and not one of them is remotely like any other one.

Twilight Sparkle is, essentially, a graduate student on an extended field assignment/research grant, and she's a type-A organizer and bureaucrat who's also a giant nerd with little interest in conventional socializing. She's also the personal apprentice of the immortal god-queen, the effective leader of the town (there's a Mayor of Ponyville, but when the [stuff] goes down everybody looks to Twilight Sparkle, not to the old gray mare), and one of the most powerful wizards known to ponydom.

And then there's Applejack. Applejack is a much humbler pony; her and her big brother Macintosh run an apple farm, and take care of their kid sister Apple Bloom. And yet Applejack stands nose-to-nose with Twilight Sparkle, feeling no shame at being 'just' a farmgirl... and given that she's one of the toughest ponies in Ponyville, the steady reliable rock of the group, and thoroughly enjoying the living hell out of a life that some other ponies might find boring and plebeian, the message is clear; 'This is just as valid as the other, even if it's not as rich, not as important, not as powerful. Because its not easy either, and its worth doing, and if you like it, then it's what you like'.

Rarity, who owns and runs a dress shop, we've already mentioned. Like Applejack she's an entrepreneur, even in an entirely different field. And she also loves what she's doing, and making her own way doing it, even when that means not flinching from a ton of hard work.

Rainbow Dash, whose day job (moving the clouds around and managing Ponyville's weather) actually doesn't remotely fully engage her talents or her time, is also presented as a role model. Because while she's a brash cocky jerkass, she's actually as good as she claims to be, and she doesn't just loaf at her job (even if she did seem to pick her job precisely because it has so much free time). Because she's got a huge ambition; to make the Wonderbolts, Equestria's #1 stunt flying team (think the Blue Angels), and Rainbow Dash knows that she's not going to make that just by flying around talking about all the awesome she's going to bust loose next month; she's got to be training. So Dash is presented as the person just whiling away in a local job while they train and train and dream the Rocky Balboa dream of becoming a star athlete, if they can just ace the tryout... and yet the show neither takes the tack 'Oh, sure, you're guaranteed to succeed even at impractical odds if you just believe!', nor does it take the tack of 'Oh come on, be realistic and don't even try something this insane'. Because Dash... well, that's spoiler territory. Suffice it to say, the message is adequately presented in that while the odds of actually making it to the major leagues are poor, that shouldn't stop you from trying if you actually have the talent for it... if that's what you want to do, and you accept the risks. (And if you can still earn an honest living for yourself in the meanwhile instead of just bummin' around.)

And Fluttershy, the show's resident Woobie, Shrinking Violet, and Friend To All Living Things. She's early Hinata with pony wings. (Except when you mess with her friends, and then you've got Team 8 Hinata in your face instead). She's horribly shy, soft-spoken, diffident, and just wants to cuddle all the cute animals she can. (Of course, since she's the town veterinarian, forest ranger, and wildlife control officer, she earns a living doing that...) And yet... suffice it to say, the pitfalls of this stereotype are avoided as well.

And then there's Pinkie Pie, the show's random incarnation of random, perky, party-throwing happiness.

... actually, Pinkie Pie's hidden depths stay largely hidden except for 'Swarm of the Century' and 'Party of One', wherein her tragic past is revealed, so I won't get into that. Short version; while she is the character who approached closest to the line of 'Oh, are they ever going to be wrong about anything?', she avoids it too.

This is how the show rolls. 'You are not your stereotype, and there is no One True Way'. You can be a successful, useful, self-supporting human being in any one of multiple fashions, and whichever one of those you want the most is the "right" one. This isn't just a slogan the show says (in fact, they don't lampshade it explicitly much at all), its just the example the show sets, all day every day.

Hell, there isn't even any racial stereotypes. The Mane Cast has two unicorns (Twilight Sparkle and Rarity), two pegasi (Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy), and two earth ponies (Applejack and Pinkie Pie)... and each of those pairs of ponies is as dissimilar as the sun and the moon. 'You cannot judge by race, either'.

That's the thing about this show. The messages are good. The subtext is good. The writing is good. All of the shallow saccharine brain-destroying [manure] that used to be known as "girls' television" is something that the producer absolutely hated, and MLP:FiM is her very subtle, very subversive, very very very determined search-and-destroy mission against every little bit of it...

... while still being a happy, cheerful, genuinely innocent show, instead of some kind of lame-o deconstruction or grimdark.

Friendship Is Magic, what can I say?
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Original post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253634&currentpage=57#1135

Cane's On Passion and Ponies.
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 17 2011 06:46 Aylear wrote:
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On October 17 2011 06:02 PureMetal wrote:
On October 16 2011 16:18 Rareware wrote:
On October 16 2011 16:07 PureMetal wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQysdRTDIYE

This pretty much sums it up for me... Be forewarned, the video is painfully awkward.


I see your other post here was

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 12 2011 04:09 PureMetal wrote:
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yeahhh.... no thanks...

I can't wrap my head around what would make any decent male enjoy this show. I have tried watching it, but honestly can't do more than 30 seconds.


so if you decided you didn't like this about 160 pages ago, why did you come back?

I forgot about that to be honest. Glad you're searching my posts though

Frankly the whole fan base that doesn't consist of children is depressing me and every time I see this post bumped I can't help but picture these painfully awkward people. I mean just try to have a conversation with a girl about how you like the show MLP and see what happens.


This one girl I like hanging out with is studying art and animation.

Another chick I know is a full on fembrony, and is jealous of my shirts.

Then, before the weekend, I talked to yet another chick, and after a lengthy conversation about movies, books, and TV series on the whole, I brought up MLP, and because I'm not the socially awkward nutjob you apparently think we all are, I was able to properly express (using words in the English language) why I like this show and why it's simply good -- such as how it's a huge throwback to great animated stuff in the past like Looney Tunes and Animaniacs (and how you don't see those kinds of shows around any more), how the music and artwork flows and come together, how good the visual gags are, how good Lauren and her team are at creating compelling female characters (Powerpuff Girls, Foster's), and how it's simply a good example of excellence in artistic achievement and animation.

The next day, she texted me, "So, I may or may not have seen 20 episodes of MLP..."

The enthusiasm that a few of us have for this show, the creators, and the fandom is akin to Day[9]'s love for StarCraft and its community, and his whole story in the Daily #100 (which you should absolutely go see if you haven't already) builds up to the notion that the SC community is wonderful, is worth sticking up for, and worth being enthusiastic about, and it outlines the constant struggle to impart onto other people this understanding. What was the quote that he said? Always be aggressive about your fandom, because the second you stop being passionate is the second you stop talking about how awesome StarCraft is?

It's the exact same thing here, and while not all of us have the innate capability that Day[9] has in expressing themselves or imparting this passion and enthusiasm onto other people, it makes it no less genuine. We also understand that ponies, as is StarCraft, is not for everyone, but being enthusiastic about something we think is genuinely worth defending is not a negative quality, and we won't have you telling us otherwise.

So, in short, I think I'm good, thanks! We appreciate you stopping by. You should drop by the fan club section of TL next, and post about how awful some player is and how stupid his fans are for liking him. You know... to keep the streak going, as it were.



A few video clips that might give you an idea of what exactly it is we watch (to show that we are not just a show for little girls).



Songs that, I think, exemplify how high the quality of the show is:




The fandom itself is quite impressive.
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Animation analysis that, I think, shows how good the animation for the show is, you know, in case you are a really big fan of good animation. Fans of good animation appreciate a show that uses good animation, in the same way writers appreciate good writing, film makers good films, etc etc.





So there you have it. This is the fandom that many of us has come to know and love. Although I maybe have missed a few points here and there, I feel that these posts were the posts that best communicated why we watched the show and why we thought it was so good.

So please. Before you ask why your question only got a single link as a reply, please read through this entire thing. I think that as a guest to our community, a certain level of respect is in order. It will answer many of the questions that you might have about why we like this show, other than: "We just do."

If you made it down to the bottom, that's great! Thanks for reading. And hope this post helped.

To my fellow bronies of the TLPony community:
Hey guys, nohbrows here. I have a simple request for you guys. Is that from now on, whenever someone asks "Why do you guys watch My Little Pony", instead of embarking on a lengthy discussion that has been done before many times, you will just link them this post and move on. Say nothing more. Just this post and move on with it. If someone who asks "Why?" and isn't going to give us the respect of reading this, let alone the entire OP, then they do not deserve a response in the first place.

But I cannot force you guys to do so. I'm not a mod, and I'm not some sort of ultimate higher being. But as a fellow brony, I humbly ask that you will do the kind favor of no longer entertaining lines of discussion that stem from the "Why?" question. For the sake of the community.

If you disagree with this standpoint, or want something added to the post, or feel like this post can be changed in anyway, do say so. I typed this up rather late at night, so I might have missed some points.

Seizon Senryaku!
Saurabhinator
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Australia347 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-01 09:59:15
May 01 2012 09:58 GMT
#11362
nohbrows,
Make sure you barricade your house at night. Camail is coming.
#1 Rarity Fanboi. CA:http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?224569-Saura-Sketchbook/page7
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
May 01 2012 10:25 GMT
#11363
nohbrows, what non-brony would take the time to read that wall of text instead of going 'lol tl;dr u guise are weird' and move on unconvinced? it also serves as a steep barrier to entry to the legitimately curious, and the post itself comes off as a bit defensive

and if there's anything I've learned from MLP:FIM, it's not to talk down to people (even if they are talking down to you)

for another, while I appreciate the effort, I don't presume to speak for anyone else in explaining why I like the show, and I'd prefer that no one else speak for me either, as my thoughts on why I enjoy MLP have shifted over time
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
Soulreaver
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany13 Posts
May 01 2012 10:48 GMT
#11364
I have a little question regarding BronyCraft 3
If I have ONLY an EU account,will I still be able to play? I know there are EU qualifiers at some point,but wont the finals be on the NA server?
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
May 01 2012 11:00 GMT
#11365
d3: I didn't feel that anything in the compilation post, including nohbrows' own commentary, came across as derisive or defensive or as looking down on anyone. It's a subjective feeling, so I don't know where you're getting off saying that as fact.

It's a compilation. It includes our community's thoughts on why we like the show. That is a question that has been answered two dozen times by now, so it's nice to have a reference guide available so that I don't have to dig up our previous answers the next time these questions get asked. To add to that, it's just another great post which collects the best arguments we as a community have made on this topic, and is a great retrospective on its own. Hell, it should be linked to under notable posts in the OP.

It doesn't even have to be used as the go-to response to any "why do you like this show" question. If you don't want to link to it because you don't feel it represents your opinion, then don't link to it; it represents mine, so I will. If people are being sincere in their interest when they inquire about our reasons for liking this show, I'll answer respectfully, as I've done a dozen times in the past -- and now, I have a nice post to link to in addition to my response. If they're being derisive and condescending, I'll just report them and then link to the compilation (if I even bother doing that much). If someone doesn't want to read the responses to a question they ask, that's their own damn problem, and in my opinion that kind of mentality doesn't belong on TeamLiquid anyway.

Thanks for taking the time to put this together, noh. If nothing else, it was great to read peoples' comments again. I remember all of these, and each one is as poignant now as it was when they were made. =)
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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10301 Posts
May 01 2012 11:52 GMT
#11366
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzsxfO7dBlA&feature=player_embedded

Okay i'm not gonna lie. That's some Damn impressive music writing. Gotta love high quality Opera-drama music
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
PengWin_SC
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Switzerland433 Posts
May 01 2012 13:21 GMT
#11367
mYiPengWin
990
Fluttershy :3
Zerg
mYiPengWin.990 (No, not a typo, I have the same character code on both ^^)
Not exactly a screenshot, but dammit this is awesome.
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Camail
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1030 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-01 13:35:47
May 01 2012 13:35 GMT
#11368
On May 01 2012 18:58 Saurabhinator wrote:
nohbrows,
Make sure you barricade your house at night. Camail is coming.

Nah, no way I was gonna make the post. Far too uninterested and jaded to do that. Once I saw noh's panties in a bunch I figured that he would make it anyway.

As regards to his post, I dunno tl;dr.
http://i.imgur.com/IPxgv.png
FnF
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland200 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-01 14:18:53
May 01 2012 13:54 GMT
#11369
On May 01 2012 20:00 Aylear wrote:
d3: I didn't feel that anything in the compilation post, including nohbrows' own commentary, came across as derisive or defensive or as looking down on anyone. It's a subjective feeling, so I don't know where you're getting off saying that as fact.

The xkcd comic, for one, stands out quite prominently, and is nothing more than a more pretentious "La la la, not listening!"

It's a compilation. It includes our community's thoughts on why we like the show.

That's the problem. That's why paragraphs upon paragraphs of attempts become simple background noise and are doomed to be repeated over and over again.

People are trying to explain "why [they] like the show," but that's not how the process of coming to like something works. So what instead happens is called backwards rationalization. When trying to backtrack their own steps, they unwittingly look for justifications based on their current state.

"The music is amazing"/"the art is fantastic"/"the morals are great" is of no use to anyone regardless of its objective truancy. Not only do they only gain emphasis as supporting evidence to confirm one's already established opinion on the work, but are outright inconsistent with real examples, as many works with respectable assets fail to gain popularity, and vice versa. There's no system to score points in.

Step back and look at the big picture. What is it that makes an adult male take a work seriously? Why do we care about what happens in Mass Effect, and not SpongeBob? The answer lies in both the characters and the setting.

The characters create the audience's attachment to the work, and the setting gives room for and inspires the fans to build upon that attachment. It's how Star Trek/Wars did it. It's why you don't see male fandoms for nevertheless-popular properties like House or Harry Potter; one has a solid character in an uninteresting setting, while the other sports an intriguing world but stumbles on bland characters with nothing for us to work with. Of course, you don't even need either to still be an entertaining IP (say, the often-pointed-out PowerPuff Girls; comparing it to FiM is really, really silly, for just that reason) – just don't expect a fandom. Ironically, the style FiM and works of similar appeal follow mostly resembles a soap opera, only not for housewives.

That's most of what there is to it. The concept of ownership adds to the above, but that's an analysis for another time.

PS: True or not, "It makes me happy" is a horrible, horrible, horrible retort. Don't use it.
Camail
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1030 Posts
May 01 2012 14:26 GMT
#11370
I don't see how you saying the characters are good is any more or less a 'rationalization' of the answer, and if you're hinting at some sort of anthropological review, I think it is wholly unnecessary. The post is fine, generally agreeable, and provides a wealth of information from a few key posts in the thread.
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Ianuus
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia349 Posts
May 01 2012 14:34 GMT
#11371
Something I find particularly annoying is the double standards people have with regard to MLP and bronies. If you ask people, more likely than not they'll say they enjoy Disney. If you ask people, more likely than now they'll say they enjoying being a kid at heart. Then mention MLP, and they'll ignore the fact that it's as good as Disney and is full of charming childish fun, and go straight to "MLP? Why would you watch that?". It's like they'll only limit their supposed "fun" and "whimsical" character to only what is considered to be socially acceptable - and I do not respect them for it.

What strikes me particularly hard about MLP is the disparity between what it could have been and what it turned out to be. My first episode was the Art of the Dress episode - I'd not really gone with the brony fad in 2010, but rather I was bored something in late 2011 and decided to see what the fuss was about. So I clicked a link which turned out to be the Art of the Dress episode. At first it felt pretty cringeworthy - "hey look, all these female ponies! They're about to dress up in pretty frocks and have a fashion show!", but then, it turned out to be an episode not, as I thought, to be a 20-minute advertisement for Ponies in Dresses toys, but rather a comment on the role of the artist, the value of their creations, and their relation to the layman customer.

I was particularly impressed, as a Musical Theatre enthusiast, by their appropriation of Sondheim's Putting it Together. Now, if you're any self-respecting (and just a tiny bit pretentious) broadway buff, you'd know that Sondheim is considered by many to be the man who elevated the musical from the dramatic entertainment of Rodgers and Hammerstein to a serious artform, both in message and in aesthetics. Many, (and I get the impression that especially those in showbiz) hold Sunday in the Park with George as one of the culminations of the musical as an artform, exploring the effect of art on people and society. A song from this musical, Putting it Together seems to be about the painstaking efforts of not only creating art, but bringing it to fruition and exhibition through politicking, making connections, and acquiring financial backing - essentially pitting the imaginative creative impulse of the artist against the real-world bureaucratic necessities required to finally bring it to light. Art of the Dress perfectly sees this coincidence of themes, then matches it with a coincidence of tunes, giving what could have been a simple song about making pretty dresses profound overtones which resonates with all us creative types out there.

Sure, they could have just made another random catchy song about making dresses. But they didn't. They aspired to give a further shade of meaning to this song. It's like the creators behind this show actually care about it, and actually put some thought into the creative process. Yes, usually it is childish. Yes, sometimes it is simple. Yes, there are many cringeworthy moments from it. But even then, after watching that episode as my initiation, I'll always know that there is creative substance behind all that - and I love that; the fact that behind this childish exterior, there is such latent creativity (maybe not even deep, but certainly creative; like the distinction between Mozart and Mahler); that even though it was probably only required to be used as a platform from which toys could be sold, they bothered to make it something more than that - and I think that all this creative effort certainly deserves my time and attention.
FnF
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland200 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-01 15:45:48
May 01 2012 14:50 GMT
#11372
On May 01 2012 23:26 Camail wrote:
I don't see how you saying the characters are good is any more or less a 'rationalization' of the answer

I never mentioned "good" characters. You're reading what isn't there. My point only concerned the work's ability to sell the character as something for the audience to care about. An objectively high-quality character can easily fail to form or maintain the attachment with a particular person or demographic due to some fundamental disconnect that's still not a flaw (say, the character being a child, or of the wrong gender). Think of keys; they're neither good nor bad, but usually don't match the same locks very well. The teeth of FiM just happen to align surprisingly squarely with our tumblers (no pun intended).

It's not a matter of "Do I think this character is good?", but "Can I take this character seriously?". To circumvent the rationalization trap, instead ask yourself "Why would I not like this?", and take the complement of that.

On May 01 2012 23:34 Ianuus wrote:
Something I find particularly annoying is the double standards people have with regard to MLP and bronies. If you ask people, more likely than not they'll say they enjoy Disney. If you ask people, more likely than now they'll say they enjoying being a kid at heart. Then mention MLP, and they'll ignore the fact that it's as good as Disney and is full of charming childish fun, and go straight to "MLP? Why would you watch that?". It's like they'll only limit their supposed "fun" and "whimsical" character to only what is considered to be socially acceptable - and I do not respect them for it.

That's because the approaches exist on entirely different levels. When adults talk about still enjoying Disney, most of the time they do so from a "protective" position. It's the same instinct that attaches parents to their children and nostalgics to their memories. It's a very non-interactive viewpoint compared to the "serious" (the "fan") approach, and not used to a lot of the things the latter has no barriers to doing. This, by the way, is why many find R34 of FiM so much more off-putting than that of properties they don't associate with childhood (subconsciously or not).
Camail
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1030 Posts
May 01 2012 16:14 GMT
#11373
Lol
http://i.imgur.com/IPxgv.png
Frigo
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary1023 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-01 16:49:08
May 01 2012 16:48 GMT
#11374


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http://www.fimfiction.net/user/Treasure_Chest
FnF
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland200 Posts
May 01 2012 16:48 GMT
#11375
On May 02 2012 01:14 Camail wrote:
Lol

Very articulate, if I may say.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
May 01 2012 19:38 GMT
#11376
Listen Up!

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Now that the great pony drought has started, its time for me to revamp the OP. Since as some of you may know my free time is practically non-existent, I could use a hand. What I need from you guys is the following:

1.) Links to great artists' DA/blogs/tmblrs. If you give it to me already formatted, all the better. Please check the art section in the OP to make sure they aren't already there, and make sure they are entirely work safe.

2.) Great fanfiction, please follow the format in the OP. Especially if its something a TLer has written, I want to have it in the OP

3.) Great music, for the music section, its *really* not up to date, and it should be. If you give me the links already properly formatted, it makes my life so much easier.

4.) Notable posts from this thread. I'm sure I've missed a bunch, or read them and then not updated the OP. Link them to me so I can add them.

5.) Anything else you'd like to see added. My goal is to make the OP a comprehensive resource of all things pony, so anything and everything. Also if you go through and see that some links are outdated, let me know, and I'll make sure to update them/remove them as necessary.

Expect new polls, new banners and anything else I can come up with to spruce up the OP. Please PM me anything you want added.
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proBizcus
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1 Post
May 01 2012 21:30 GMT
#11377
proBizcus.958
Twilight Sparkle of course
Protoss
Lokrium
Profile Joined March 2011
United States131 Posts
May 01 2012 22:21 GMT
#11378
I dunno man, I just like watching this show.
Camail
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1030 Posts
May 01 2012 23:25 GMT
#11379
[18:20] <+Camail> http://atryl.deviantart.com/art/Not-that-bad-299421991
[18:21] <+Camail> http://yudhaikeledai.deviantart.com/art/Trailer-MLP-Thinking-with-Portals-Breaking-In-299425552
[18:21] <+Camail> http://jrk08004.deviantart.com/art/Shining-Armor-Captain-of-the-Guard-299432782
[18:21] <+Camail> http://jrk08004.deviantart.com/art/Celestia-Alicorn-of-the-Sun-299432878
[18:21] <+Camail> http://jrk08004.deviantart.com/art/Chrysalis-Queen-of-the-Changelings-299433229
[18:21] <+Camail> http://jrk08004.deviantart.com/art/Cadance-Princess-of-Love-299433399
[18:21] <+Camail> http://nelvakre.deviantart.com/art/The-Fluttershy-Effect-299434215
[18:21] <+Camail> http://amenoo.deviantart.com/art/My-Rarity-Shoes-299440647
[18:21] <+Camail> http://inuhoshi-to-darkpen.deviantart.com/art/The-Rise-of-The-Moon-299441075
[18:21] <+Camail> http://derpiihooves.deviantart.com/art/DragonlordT-OC-299458753
[18:21] <+Camail> http://reaperfox.deviantart.com/art/Applejack-Sparrow-299456332
[18:21] <+Camail> http://shikariix.deviantart.com/art/I-Can-and-Will-Take-Your-Identity-299455117
[18:21] <+Camail> http://sapphire1010.deviantart.com/art/MLP-Episodic-Illustrations-Third-Wave-299442905
[18:21] <+Camail> lok http://suirobo.deviantart.com/art/get-all-the-pets-299442436
[18:21] <+Camail> http://saturnspace.deviantart.com/art/Timey-Wobby-Filly-and-Foal-299459097
[18:21] <+Camail> http://raikoh14.deviantart.com/art/Pinkie-Pie-lake-of-stars-299460729
[18:21] <+Camail> http://n1de.deviantart.com/art/She-never-asked-for-this-299466652
[18:21] <+Camail> http://ecmajor.deviantart.com/art/Chrysalisgrin-299469047
[18:21] <+Camail> http://dagmlp.deviantart.com/art/Do-I-look-cute-colored-299469830
[18:22] <+Camail> http://soapie-solar.deviantart.com/art/So-Fluttershy-299442107
[18:22] <+Camail> http://soapie-solar.deviantart.com/art/Seapony-Rainbow-Dash-299444739
[18:22] <+Camail> http://soapie-solar.deviantart.com/art/Cookies-299459740
[18:22] <+Camail> http://mysticalpha.deviantart.com/art/Fluttershy-Flower-Picking-297959413
[18:22] <+Camail> http://kooner01.deviantart.com/art/OC-Orpimena-Glaze-299473324
[18:22] <+Camail> http://v-invidia.deviantart.com/art/Honeymoon-299476934
[18:22] <+Camail> http://himanuts.deviantart.com/art/Platinum-and-an-annoyed-Clover-299487200
[18:22] <+Camail> http://rosical.deviantart.com/art/Pony-Speedpaint-Cherry-299487481
[18:22] <+Camail> http://limreiart.deviantart.com/art/Calamity-299490335
[18:22] <+Camail> http://cluttercluster.deviantart.com/art/Rainbow-ROCK-299490612
[18:22] <+Camail> http://shad-o-ren.deviantart.com/art/Great-and-powerful-299491904
[18:22] <+Camail> http://bouxn.deviantart.com/art/Episode-2-Poster-299492822
[18:22] <+Camail> http://cresento.deviantart.com/art/My-help-has-a-price-299493221
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d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
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May 01 2012 23:28 GMT
#11380
On May 01 2012 20:00 Aylear wrote:
d3: I didn't feel that anything in the compilation post, including nohbrows' own commentary, came across as derisive or defensive or as looking down on anyone. It's a subjective feeling, so I don't know where you're getting off saying that as fact.

Really? It's lofty and poetic and wordy where simple language would just do. It's a compilation of everything, which is naturally doomed to fail once it puts up a wall-of-text large enough for most people to ignore. The notable posts aren't actually of that much help either. Most are either walls-of-text - again, off-putting for the casual passer-by - or somewhat context-dependent, though there are a few helpful posts.

On May 01 2012 22:54 FnF wrote:
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On May 01 2012 20:00 Aylear wrote:
d3: I didn't feel that anything in the compilation post, including nohbrows' own commentary, came across as derisive or defensive or as looking down on anyone. It's a subjective feeling, so I don't know where you're getting off saying that as fact.

The xkcd comic, for one, stands out quite prominently, and is nothing more than a more pretentious "La la la, not listening!"

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It's a compilation. It includes our community's thoughts on why we like the show.

That's the problem. That's why paragraphs upon paragraphs of attempts become simple background noise and are doomed to be repeated over and over again.

People are trying to explain "why [they] like the show," but that's not how the process of coming to like something works. So what instead happens is called backwards rationalization. When trying to backtrack their own steps, they unwittingly look for justifications based on their current state.

This. A million times this.

What we really need to do is take a Day[9]-esque approach and champion that which we think is awesome and cool, in an unrelenting, positive manner. There's no reason to say "if you can't be bothered to try to understand, then we don't want you here" - which is an exclusive approach. Creating a go-to-post is fine to deal with people that might be trolls, but it needs to be clear and succinct.
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