On September 18 2011 01:56 ArcticVanguard wrote:
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I thought it was funny, but I was hoping for the return of Pinkamena. It was a bit disappointing that she just stayed normal.
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Me too.
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Gary Oak
Canada2381 Posts
On September 18 2011 01:56 ArcticVanguard wrote: Show nested quote + On September 18 2011 01:31 GreYMisT wrote: + Show Spoiler + Anyone else think that Pinkie Pie in utter badass mode is hilarious? + Show Spoiler + I thought it was funny, but I was hoping for the return of Pinkamena. It was a bit disappointing that she just stayed normal. + Show Spoiler + Me too. | ||
Phant
United States737 Posts
Overall, great episode, I'm glad season 2 started off great. Can't wait for next week! | ||
OMGIllithan
United States101 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + think a lot of people are missing the bigger picture here. Discord isn't trying to corrupt all of the elements of harmony, just one: Twilight's. He's not tricking anypony, he's tormenting them and then using them as puppets to make Twilight feel like her friendships are falling apart. It's not about them, it's about her. Let's look at the rather deft use of imagery throughout the episode. Discord is portrayed as a puppeteer, in the stained glass windows and again in the "Grove of Truth" scene. I think this is meant to be taken literally: he's not manipulating the ponies into abandoning their elements, he's using them as puppets. When he "possesses" them or whatever he's doing, their color drains away. They lose something vital: free will, or the ability to make their own choices, or whatever it is that makes them who they are, however you define it. They do what he wants, even if he doesn't have a direct mind control link. This raises an important question: if Discord is a puppeteer, who is the puppet show meant for? I think it's pretty obviously Twilight. At the end of Applejack's scene, he could have chosen to reunite her with any of the others, but he chose Twilight because he wants her to see her friends at their worst. Likewise, after each scene, as another pony rejoins the group, it's Twilight who reacts to her changed behavior. The writers take the time to show us her reaction, and in a 22-minute episode about six characters with a whole mess of backstory, that's quite a red flag. Those reactions are important. But what about Dash? Doesn't he offer her a choice? No. He's really just feeding her a cue. We know that Dash wouldn't choose to abandon her friends when Cloudsdale is in danger because she didn't do it earlier when Clooudsdale was having a nasty cola storm. She stayed in Ponyville to help them clean up the cotton candy clouds. She doesn't really have the choice, he's just using her to make another wrinkle. What's the point of all the theatrics, then, if he's just hypnotizing them? Why bother to lure Applejack to the Grove of Truth, or make Pinkie Pie doubt her laughter in the balloon park, or show Rarity the illusion of the diamonds? Because he's sadistic, and he's playing with them. He only loses his cool and zaps Fluttershy because she's ruining his fun. He's just bucking with them. Because he can. This isn't a game; there aren't any rules; he's not really giving them a choice. He's just torturing them. For fun. Granted, I can't really offer a full reading of the show because, like the rest of you, I've only seen half of it so far, but I think that the whole point of this has been to get to Twilight. She's the one who felt the "spark" of friendship in Season 1 Episode 2, which makes her the weak link. Discord isn't really a trickster; he's a bad dude who's trying to extinguish that spark by using Twilight's friends against her. If he is playing a game with them, he's using Applejack, Pinkie Pie, Rarity, Fluttershy and Dash as the pieces, and Twilight Sparkle is his true opponent. | ||
Phant
United States737 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On September 18 2011 04:41 phant wrote: 200,000 thread views! =D Happy Birthday! + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2011 04:37 Madkipz wrote: I found a nice comment / well thought out comment about the episode. Felt like sharing it because it makes Discord really badass. xD + Show Spoiler + think a lot of people are missing the bigger picture here. Discord isn't trying to corrupt all of the elements of harmony, just one: Twilight's. He's not tricking anypony, he's tormenting them and then using them as puppets to make Twilight feel like her friendships are falling apart. It's not about them, it's about her. Let's look at the rather deft use of imagery throughout the episode. Discord is portrayed as a puppeteer, in the stained glass windows and again in the "Grove of Truth" scene. I think this is meant to be taken literally: he's not manipulating the ponies into abandoning their elements, he's using them as puppets. When he "possesses" them or whatever he's doing, their color drains away. They lose something vital: free will, or the ability to make their own choices, or whatever it is that makes them who they are, however you define it. They do what he wants, even if he doesn't have a direct mind control link. This raises an important question: if Discord is a puppeteer, who is the puppet show meant for? I think it's pretty obviously Twilight. At the end of Applejack's scene, he could have chosen to reunite her with any of the others, but he chose Twilight because he wants her to see her friends at their worst. Likewise, after each scene, as another pony rejoins the group, it's Twilight who reacts to her changed behavior. The writers take the time to show us her reaction, and in a 22-minute episode about six characters with a whole mess of backstory, that's quite a red flag. Those reactions are important. But what about Dash? Doesn't he offer her a choice? No. He's really just feeding her a cue. We know that Dash wouldn't choose to abandon her friends when Cloudsdale is in danger because she didn't do it earlier when Clooudsdale was having a nasty cola storm. She stayed in Ponyville to help them clean up the cotton candy clouds. She doesn't really have the choice, he's just using her to make another wrinkle. What's the point of all the theatrics, then, if he's just hypnotizing them? Why bother to lure Applejack to the Grove of Truth, or make Pinkie Pie doubt her laughter in the balloon park, or show Rarity the illusion of the diamonds? Because he's sadistic, and he's playing with them. He only loses his cool and zaps Fluttershy because she's ruining his fun. He's just bucking with them. Because he can. This isn't a game; there aren't any rules; he's not really giving them a choice. He's just torturing them. For fun. Granted, I can't really offer a full reading of the show because, like the rest of you, I've only seen half of it so far, but I think that the whole point of this has been to get to Twilight. She's the one who felt the "spark" of friendship in Season 1 Episode 2, which makes her the weak link. Discord isn't really a trickster; he's a bad dude who's trying to extinguish that spark by using Twilight's friends against her. If he is playing a game with them, he's using Applejack, Pinkie Pie, Rarity, Fluttershy and Dash as the pieces, and Twilight Sparkle is his true opponent. I enjoyed this write up, I agree with it ^_^ | ||
Gary Oak
Canada2381 Posts
![]() That is all. [Edit] I also like that writup on Discord. ^_^ And yes, I'm now armed with some season 2 images. Beware. | ||
Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
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Uvantak
Uruguay1381 Posts
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Phant
United States737 Posts
On September 18 2011 04:50 GMarshal wrote: Happy Birthday! + Show Spoiler + Show nested quote + On September 18 2011 04:37 Madkipz wrote: I found a nice comment / well thought out comment about the episode. Felt like sharing it because it makes Discord really badass. xD + Show Spoiler + think a lot of people are missing the bigger picture here. Discord isn't trying to corrupt all of the elements of harmony, just one: Twilight's. He's not tricking anypony, he's tormenting them and then using them as puppets to make Twilight feel like her friendships are falling apart. It's not about them, it's about her. Let's look at the rather deft use of imagery throughout the episode. Discord is portrayed as a puppeteer, in the stained glass windows and again in the "Grove of Truth" scene. I think this is meant to be taken literally: he's not manipulating the ponies into abandoning their elements, he's using them as puppets. When he "possesses" them or whatever he's doing, their color drains away. They lose something vital: free will, or the ability to make their own choices, or whatever it is that makes them who they are, however you define it. They do what he wants, even if he doesn't have a direct mind control link. This raises an important question: if Discord is a puppeteer, who is the puppet show meant for? I think it's pretty obviously Twilight. At the end of Applejack's scene, he could have chosen to reunite her with any of the others, but he chose Twilight because he wants her to see her friends at their worst. Likewise, after each scene, as another pony rejoins the group, it's Twilight who reacts to her changed behavior. The writers take the time to show us her reaction, and in a 22-minute episode about six characters with a whole mess of backstory, that's quite a red flag. Those reactions are important. But what about Dash? Doesn't he offer her a choice? No. He's really just feeding her a cue. We know that Dash wouldn't choose to abandon her friends when Cloudsdale is in danger because she didn't do it earlier when Clooudsdale was having a nasty cola storm. She stayed in Ponyville to help them clean up the cotton candy clouds. She doesn't really have the choice, he's just using her to make another wrinkle. What's the point of all the theatrics, then, if he's just hypnotizing them? Why bother to lure Applejack to the Grove of Truth, or make Pinkie Pie doubt her laughter in the balloon park, or show Rarity the illusion of the diamonds? Because he's sadistic, and he's playing with them. He only loses his cool and zaps Fluttershy because she's ruining his fun. He's just bucking with them. Because he can. This isn't a game; there aren't any rules; he's not really giving them a choice. He's just torturing them. For fun. Granted, I can't really offer a full reading of the show because, like the rest of you, I've only seen half of it so far, but I think that the whole point of this has been to get to Twilight. She's the one who felt the "spark" of friendship in Season 1 Episode 2, which makes her the weak link. Discord isn't really a trickster; he's a bad dude who's trying to extinguish that spark by using Twilight's friends against her. If he is playing a game with them, he's using Applejack, Pinkie Pie, Rarity, Fluttershy and Dash as the pieces, and Twilight Sparkle is his true opponent. I enjoyed this write up, I agree with it ^_^ Season 2 premier on my birthday? Best present EVER! | ||
Gary Oak
Canada2381 Posts
On September 18 2011 05:06 Uvantak wrote: chocolate rain + Show Spoiler + ![]() Yes. Very yes. =) | ||
Uvantak
Uruguay1381 Posts
On September 18 2011 05:01 Gary Oak wrote: + Show Spoiler + ![]() That is all. [Edit] I also like that writup on Discord. ^_^ And yes, I'm now armed with some season 2 images. Beware. Celestia is not amused + Show Spoiler + ![]() | ||
Gary Oak
Canada2381 Posts
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pepkin88
Poland69 Posts
— intentionally missed the premiere — watched in HD — still can wait for s02e02 with no problem + Show Spoiler + | ||
Lynda
649 Posts
also this episode was completed at the same time season 1 was produced and was originally meant to be the season 1 finale, but it was held over for season 2 which means that this was produced before the brony phenomenon was truly realised, making this ep that much more mindblowing. I wonder what they'll have in store for us when we'll get to the "actual" season 2 eps... edit: actually nevermind this post as it turned out to be inaccurate, thanks to phant for correcting me on the next page | ||
rockerman101
United States85 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + you my good sir are a genius I was not really looking at the episode very deep but you obviously are think a lot of people are missing the bigger picture here. Discord isn't trying to corrupt all of the elements of harmony, just one: Twilight's. He's not tricking anypony, he's tormenting them and then using them as puppets to make Twilight feel like her friendships are falling apart. It's not about them, it's about her. Let's look at the rather deft use of imagery throughout the episode. Discord is portrayed as a puppeteer, in the stained glass windows and again in the "Grove of Truth" scene. I think this is meant to be taken literally: he's not manipulating the ponies into abandoning their elements, he's using them as puppets. When he "possesses" them or whatever he's doing, their color drains away. They lose something vital: free will, or the ability to make their own choices, or whatever it is that makes them who they are, however you define it. They do what he wants, even if he doesn't have a direct mind control link. This raises an important question: if Discord is a puppeteer, who is the puppet show meant for? I think it's pretty obviously Twilight. At the end of Applejack's scene, he could have chosen to reunite her with any of the others, but he chose Twilight because he wants her to see her friends at their worst. Likewise, after each scene, as another pony rejoins the group, it's Twilight who reacts to her changed behavior. The writers take the time to show us her reaction, and in a 22-minute episode about six characters with a whole mess of backstory, that's quite a red flag. Those reactions are important. But what about Dash? Doesn't he offer her a choice? No. He's really just feeding her a cue. We know that Dash wouldn't choose to abandon her friends when Cloudsdale is in danger because she didn't do it earlier when Clooudsdale was having a nasty cola storm. She stayed in Ponyville to help them clean up the cotton candy clouds. She doesn't really have the choice, he's just using her to make another wrinkle. What's the point of all the theatrics, then, if he's just hypnotizing them? Why bother to lure Applejack to the Grove of Truth, or make Pinkie Pie doubt her laughter in the balloon park, or show Rarity the illusion of the diamonds? Because he's sadistic, and he's playing with them. He only loses his cool and zaps Fluttershy because she's ruining his fun. He's just bucking with them. Because he can. This isn't a game; there aren't any rules; he's not really giving them a choice. He's just torturing them. For fun. Granted, I can't really offer a full reading of the show because, like the rest of you, I've only seen half of it so far, but I think that the whole point of this has been to get to Twilight. She's the one who felt the "spark" of friendship in Season 1 Episode 2, which makes her the weak link. Discord isn't really a trickster; he's a bad dude who's trying to extinguish that spark by using Twilight's friends against her. If he is playing a game with them, he's using Applejack, Pinkie Pie, Rarity, Fluttershy and Dash as the pieces, and Twilight Sparkle is his true opponent. | ||
Gary Oak
Canada2381 Posts
On September 18 2011 05:40 Squarewalker wrote: which means that this was produced before the brony phenomenon was truly realised, making this ep that much more mindblowing. I wonder what they'll have in store for us when we'll get to the "actual" season 2 eps... I...completely forgot about that. Dear shit. + Show Spoiler + ![]() | ||
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United States1049 Posts
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