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On June 20 2015 05:55 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 05:51 Acrofales wrote:On June 20 2015 05:11 Drazerk wrote:Whats the point of having Lord Manderly without Davos though? What I could see happening is a theon redemption arc where he tells Lord Manderly about Rickon but even then what the fuck is Davos gonna do for the next two seasons? Why does Lord Manderly need telling about Rickon? Rickon is with the Umbers, and presumably the revenge-plotting mutineering northerners will rally behind him. In the books Manderly has to send Davos out to go find him, because Skaggs are a bunch of unruly barbarians, and while Rickon will probably be safe(ish) there, he won't be in a position for the North to rally around. However, the show solves that by having Rickon hanging out at Last Hearth, presumably chilling with the Greatjon. Thus Manderly doesn't have to send Davos out on a boat. In the books isn't it an ironborn that tells Manderly in the first place? I would find it strange if the show introduced characters that magically knew Rickon was alive and knew exactly where he was tbh. Having Davos or Theon/Sansa with Manderly shows how he is playing the game and allows for the north remembers to have more impact.
You may not like to hear this, but at this point it really doesn't matter much what is happening in the books.
There's a million different ways to change the story of Manderly and Theon and Davos to still make sense, even if it's not at all like what's happening in the books.
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On June 20 2015 06:04 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 05:55 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2015 05:51 Acrofales wrote:On June 20 2015 05:11 Drazerk wrote:Whats the point of having Lord Manderly without Davos though? What I could see happening is a theon redemption arc where he tells Lord Manderly about Rickon but even then what the fuck is Davos gonna do for the next two seasons? Why does Lord Manderly need telling about Rickon? Rickon is with the Umbers, and presumably the revenge-plotting mutineering northerners will rally behind him. In the books Manderly has to send Davos out to go find him, because Skaggs are a bunch of unruly barbarians, and while Rickon will probably be safe(ish) there, he won't be in a position for the North to rally around. However, the show solves that by having Rickon hanging out at Last Hearth, presumably chilling with the Greatjon. Thus Manderly doesn't have to send Davos out on a boat. In the books isn't it an ironborn that tells Manderly in the first place? I would find it strange if the show introduced characters that magically knew Rickon was alive and knew exactly where he was tbh. Having Davos or Theon/Sansa with Manderly shows how he is playing the game and allows for the north remembers to have more impact. You may not like to hear this, but at this point it really doesn't matter much what is happening in the books. There's a million different ways to change the story of Manderly and Theon and Davos to still make sense, even if it's not at all like what's happening in the books.
True but they could have just killed off Davos/Theon if thats the case. No point keeping them alive if they aren't gonna interact with anyone.
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On June 20 2015 05:55 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 05:51 Acrofales wrote:On June 20 2015 05:11 Drazerk wrote:Whats the point of having Lord Manderly without Davos though? What I could see happening is a theon redemption arc where he tells Lord Manderly about Rickon but even then what the fuck is Davos gonna do for the next two seasons? Why does Lord Manderly need telling about Rickon? Rickon is with the Umbers, and presumably the revenge-plotting mutineering northerners will rally behind him. In the books Manderly has to send Davos out to go find him, because Skaggs are a bunch of unruly barbarians, and while Rickon will probably be safe(ish) there, he won't be in a position for the North to rally around. However, the show solves that by having Rickon hanging out at Last Hearth, presumably chilling with the Greatjon. Thus Manderly doesn't have to send Davos out on a boat. In the books isn't it an ironborn that tells Manderly in the first place? I would find it strange if the show introduced characters that magically knew Rickon was alive and knew exactly where he was tbh. Having Davos or Theon/Sansa with Manderly shows how he is playing the game and allows for the north remembers to have more impact.
What's magic about it? The last thing we know about Rickon in the show is that Osha and he were heading to the Last Hearth. That is the Umber's stronghold, and the Greatjon disappeared magically off the show (allegedly due to conflicting acting commitments) after S2, so they could easily spin it that he went back to the Last Hearth, and show Rickon and Osha arriving there.
Seeing how Manderly has a coalition of mutineering northerners (at least the Glovers are in on it), there is no reason for the Umbers not to be a part of that? Thereby obviating the need for anybody to tell him that Rickon is alive. Although alternatively they have Sansa try to travel to the Eyrie through White Harbor, and have Sansa fulfill Davos' role of being "executed". That doesn't leave Davos with much to do, though, because there is still no reason to travel to Skagos.
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On June 20 2015 06:08 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 06:04 Conti wrote:On June 20 2015 05:55 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2015 05:51 Acrofales wrote:On June 20 2015 05:11 Drazerk wrote:Whats the point of having Lord Manderly without Davos though? What I could see happening is a theon redemption arc where he tells Lord Manderly about Rickon but even then what the fuck is Davos gonna do for the next two seasons? Why does Lord Manderly need telling about Rickon? Rickon is with the Umbers, and presumably the revenge-plotting mutineering northerners will rally behind him. In the books Manderly has to send Davos out to go find him, because Skaggs are a bunch of unruly barbarians, and while Rickon will probably be safe(ish) there, he won't be in a position for the North to rally around. However, the show solves that by having Rickon hanging out at Last Hearth, presumably chilling with the Greatjon. Thus Manderly doesn't have to send Davos out on a boat. In the books isn't it an ironborn that tells Manderly in the first place? I would find it strange if the show introduced characters that magically knew Rickon was alive and knew exactly where he was tbh. Having Davos or Theon/Sansa with Manderly shows how he is playing the game and allows for the north remembers to have more impact. You may not like to hear this, but at this point it really doesn't matter much what is happening in the books. There's a million different ways to change the story of Manderly and Theon and Davos to still make sense, even if it's not at all like what's happening in the books. True but they could have just killed off Davos/Theon if thats the case. No point keeping them alive if they aren't gonna interact with anyone.
Wtf makes you think they're not going to interact with anyone?
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I completly forgot show doesn't have Rickon at Skagos T_T. I think the Sansa path is probably most likely at this point
I seriously dunno what they're gonna do with Davos then other than maybe having a letter to legitimize Jon by Stannis
On June 20 2015 06:20 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 06:08 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2015 06:04 Conti wrote:On June 20 2015 05:55 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2015 05:51 Acrofales wrote:On June 20 2015 05:11 Drazerk wrote:Whats the point of having Lord Manderly without Davos though? What I could see happening is a theon redemption arc where he tells Lord Manderly about Rickon but even then what the fuck is Davos gonna do for the next two seasons? Why does Lord Manderly need telling about Rickon? Rickon is with the Umbers, and presumably the revenge-plotting mutineering northerners will rally behind him. In the books Manderly has to send Davos out to go find him, because Skaggs are a bunch of unruly barbarians, and while Rickon will probably be safe(ish) there, he won't be in a position for the North to rally around. However, the show solves that by having Rickon hanging out at Last Hearth, presumably chilling with the Greatjon. Thus Manderly doesn't have to send Davos out on a boat. In the books isn't it an ironborn that tells Manderly in the first place? I would find it strange if the show introduced characters that magically knew Rickon was alive and knew exactly where he was tbh. Having Davos or Theon/Sansa with Manderly shows how he is playing the game and allows for the north remembers to have more impact. You may not like to hear this, but at this point it really doesn't matter much what is happening in the books. There's a million different ways to change the story of Manderly and Theon and Davos to still make sense, even if it's not at all like what's happening in the books. True but they could have just killed off Davos/Theon if thats the case. No point keeping them alive if they aren't gonna interact with anyone. Wtf makes you think they're not going to interact with anyone?
Namely his role no longer serves any purpose in the show and anything he could do a nameless character could do at this point other than helping Jon / Manderly
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On June 20 2015 06:22 Drazerk wrote:I completly forgot show doesn't have Rickon at Skagos T_T. I think the Sansa path is probably most likely at this point I seriously dunno what they're gonna do with Davos then other than maybe having a letter to legitimize Jon by Stannis Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 06:20 Conti wrote:On June 20 2015 06:08 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2015 06:04 Conti wrote:On June 20 2015 05:55 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2015 05:51 Acrofales wrote:On June 20 2015 05:11 Drazerk wrote:Whats the point of having Lord Manderly without Davos though? What I could see happening is a theon redemption arc where he tells Lord Manderly about Rickon but even then what the fuck is Davos gonna do for the next two seasons? Why does Lord Manderly need telling about Rickon? Rickon is with the Umbers, and presumably the revenge-plotting mutineering northerners will rally behind him. In the books Manderly has to send Davos out to go find him, because Skaggs are a bunch of unruly barbarians, and while Rickon will probably be safe(ish) there, he won't be in a position for the North to rally around. However, the show solves that by having Rickon hanging out at Last Hearth, presumably chilling with the Greatjon. Thus Manderly doesn't have to send Davos out on a boat. In the books isn't it an ironborn that tells Manderly in the first place? I would find it strange if the show introduced characters that magically knew Rickon was alive and knew exactly where he was tbh. Having Davos or Theon/Sansa with Manderly shows how he is playing the game and allows for the north remembers to have more impact. You may not like to hear this, but at this point it really doesn't matter much what is happening in the books. There's a million different ways to change the story of Manderly and Theon and Davos to still make sense, even if it's not at all like what's happening in the books. True but they could have just killed off Davos/Theon if thats the case. No point keeping them alive if they aren't gonna interact with anyone. Wtf makes you think they're not going to interact with anyone? Namely his role no longer serves any purpose in the show and anything he could do a nameless character could do at this point other than helping Jon / Manderly
How can you say something like that when you don't even know what ultimate purpose he serves in the books? How can you say something like that when you very well know that the show and book characters are not the same, and they may as well serve an entirely different purpose? And how on earth can you say that about Davos, of all characters? His purpose is far greater than "Helps Manderly" in both the books and the show.
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On June 20 2015 06:48 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 06:22 Drazerk wrote:I completly forgot show doesn't have Rickon at Skagos T_T. I think the Sansa path is probably most likely at this point I seriously dunno what they're gonna do with Davos then other than maybe having a letter to legitimize Jon by Stannis On June 20 2015 06:20 Conti wrote:On June 20 2015 06:08 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2015 06:04 Conti wrote:On June 20 2015 05:55 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2015 05:51 Acrofales wrote:On June 20 2015 05:11 Drazerk wrote:Whats the point of having Lord Manderly without Davos though? What I could see happening is a theon redemption arc where he tells Lord Manderly about Rickon but even then what the fuck is Davos gonna do for the next two seasons? Why does Lord Manderly need telling about Rickon? Rickon is with the Umbers, and presumably the revenge-plotting mutineering northerners will rally behind him. In the books Manderly has to send Davos out to go find him, because Skaggs are a bunch of unruly barbarians, and while Rickon will probably be safe(ish) there, he won't be in a position for the North to rally around. However, the show solves that by having Rickon hanging out at Last Hearth, presumably chilling with the Greatjon. Thus Manderly doesn't have to send Davos out on a boat. In the books isn't it an ironborn that tells Manderly in the first place? I would find it strange if the show introduced characters that magically knew Rickon was alive and knew exactly where he was tbh. Having Davos or Theon/Sansa with Manderly shows how he is playing the game and allows for the north remembers to have more impact. You may not like to hear this, but at this point it really doesn't matter much what is happening in the books. There's a million different ways to change the story of Manderly and Theon and Davos to still make sense, even if it's not at all like what's happening in the books. True but they could have just killed off Davos/Theon if thats the case. No point keeping them alive if they aren't gonna interact with anyone. Wtf makes you think they're not going to interact with anyone? Namely his role no longer serves any purpose in the show and anything he could do a nameless character could do at this point other than helping Jon / Manderly How can you say something like that when you don't even know what ultimate purpose he serves in the books? How can you say something like that when you very well know that the show and book characters are not the same, and they may as well serve an entirely different purpose? And how on earth can you say that about Davos, of all characters? His purpose is far greater than "Helps Manderly" in both the books and the show.
His purpose has mainly been to be Stannis' most loyal companion and to be the shows / books moral compass to do what is right and just. Its also less "helps manderly" but more "Shows manderly is actually smart and a player of the game". Which as we discussed is probably gonna be Sansa's job.
You may be right and he has a different purpose in the show like making the whole mess of the show's version of "For the watch" and stop the night's watch being massacred but I think if Stannis is dead it would have been better to have Stannis lose Davos along with everyone else personally
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Without supporting Tower of Joy casting, and with the indication that the role does not involve acting but rather just some pure fighting scenes, I'm going to have to say the legendary fighter isn't Dayne but rather an Azor Ahai flashback/vision.
I'll switch sides as as soon as there are more ToJ hints to go with it or a mention of Bean coming back for a scene.
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On June 20 2015 06:22 Drazerk wrote:
I completly forgot show doesn't have Rickon at Skagos T_T. I think the Sansa path is probably most likely at this point.
Uhm, in the books this is far from certain as well, right? I mean no confirmation at all that Rickon is really there right.
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I think it's said they went to Skagos. If not, it's at least heavily implied.
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During the warg dreams its shown that Shaggydog is attacking a unicorn and that the Skagosi are known for riding unicorns into battle. Then again Leaf tells Bran unicorns are extinct so who knows whats going on
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Has there been any sort of flash back so far in the show? I can't recall any and think it would feel out of place. There has been a fair amount of stories about Rhaegar, Aerys, Robert's Rebellion, etc. without any flashbacks needed. Having Tyrion and Jorah talk about old Valyria or Barristin tell Dany a story and seeing her react to it, just feels much more Games of Throney, than a cheesy flashback would.
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season 5 started with a flashback 
I also don't see why a flashback is cheesy
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On June 20 2015 08:34 Drazerk wrote:
During the warg dreams its shown that Shaggydog is attacking a unicorn and that the Skagosi are known for riding unicorns into battle. Then again Leaf tells Bran unicorns are extinct so who knows whats going on
Wait what?
We know they're on Skagos because of the canibalism reference, when the fuck do we hear about Shaggydog attacking unicorns, or are u just trolling?
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On June 20 2015 17:12 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 08:34 Drazerk wrote:
During the warg dreams its shown that Shaggydog is attacking a unicorn and that the Skagosi are known for riding unicorns into battle. Then again Leaf tells Bran unicorns are extinct so who knows whats going on Wait what? We know they're on Skagos because of the canibalism reference, when the fuck do we hear about Shaggydog attacking unicorns, or are u just trolling?
DwD chapter 3
"A wild rain lashed down upon his black brother as he tore at the flesh of an enormous goat, washing the blood from his side where the goat’s long horn had raked him"
and its Sam that references Skagosi riding unicorns when he is on the boat with Gilly. Can't actually remember the quote / chapter.
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On June 20 2015 10:21 Vorenius wrote:
Has there been any sort of flash back so far in the show? I can't recall any and think it would feel out of place. There has been a fair amount of stories about Rhaegar, Aerys, Robert's Rebellion, etc. without any flashbacks needed. Having Tyrion and Jorah talk about old Valyria or Barristin tell Dany a story and seeing her react to it, just feels much more Games of Throney, than a cheesy flashback would.
we got a flashback to loli cersei + fit loli cersei friend meeting this witch woman in a forest
yeah i know my stuff
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With Hannibal getting cancelled, time for some Mads Mikkelsen aka Euron Greyjoy action in Season 6
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On June 23 2015 17:37 Grovbolle wrote:
With Hannibal getting cancelled, time for some Mads Mikkelsen aka Euron Greyjoy action in Season 6
Hannibal has been on my radar, i watched the first 3-4 episodes when they aired, but hasnt picked it up again, not sure why. Is it worth it? Why is it being canceled, not enough viewers or some other reason?
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On June 23 2015 17:43 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 17:37 Grovbolle wrote:
With Hannibal getting cancelled, time for some Mads Mikkelsen aka Euron Greyjoy action in Season 6 Hannibal has been on my radar, i watched the first 3-4 episodes when they aired, but hasnt picked it up again, not sure why. Is it worth it? Why is it being canceled, not enough viewers or some other reason?
It's outstanding. You should very much watch it.
As I said in the Hannibal thread, it's a slow, psychological drama with a good story and insane cinematography. Don't go in expecting action scenes (though there are some, but they are rare). This is a true character-focused show.
And you should absolutely watch it. Season 2 is incredible. I do warn you though, it can be pretty heavy on the soul due to the gore and nightmarish content.
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I think its worth it even if youre only going to watch the first two seasons. Unlike s3, they had a good balance between interesting plot, action and visuals. Now its just aesthetics without substance, still watchable but a bit boring.
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