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On December 03 2011 12:31 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 12:08 Dark_Chill wrote:On December 03 2011 09:18 Logrus wrote:On December 03 2011 08:51 L wrote:On November 28 2011 13:39 Dark_Chill wrote:On November 17 2011 03:06 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
Well, if you think about it, even though Naruto and Luffy are relatively complex, just how far have they gone really? Naruto's entire persona relies on his bromance with Sasuke. He has no real inner conflict with whether it's right leaving Sasuke alive, he's single minded on this and he's a simpleton with everything else. It's not really questioned why Naruto's so intent upon saving this one person even though he's endangering the lives of everyone in his village. His relationship with his dead parents and Jiraya were his other humanizing elements, but again there's no complexity. It would have been more interesting to see how he would react if his parents were actually disappointed in him and how he would have dealt with it, or to see some long lasting effect of seeing his mentor of years die on an away mission and whether it would change his view of death. Nope, nothing complex, just good feelings.
Look at luffy, he's notorious for being a total retard. He had a single chapter of mourning and he goes right back to training. Maybe it can come later, but will Luffy harbor a hatred for the Marines for killing his brother? Doesn't appear so. Has demeanor changed or matured? Nope. The death brought him no lasting effects.
But that's the point of Shonen mangas, they're there for instant gratification, there is no exploration of complex issues. Character do good thing because it's good to do, characters do bad things so they'll be defeated by good characters usually sums up the entire experience.
Try reading mangas like like Berserk or Gantz or Homonculus. Those are mangas for adults. Remember what had happened in those few chapters with Luffy mourning? Not only did Jimbe bring him back from practically wanting to kill himself, he had realized he could still find happiness among his friends. Of course after those few chapters and two years, he wouldn't be all mopey and sad. For Naruto, let's put it this way. When Sasuke almost died against Haku, Naruto went crazy with rage. When Jiraya died, Naruto did not go crazy because of how he had changed with Jiraya's teachings, becoming more accepting and understanding. Both characters have grown slightly, but not in dramatic ways which people could easily see, especially in One Piece's case. Haven't read any of those mangas yet, but planning on reading Gantz soon. The Gantz response to any issue is: 1) Get angry. 2) Cry. Absolutely phenomenal manga, but reading through it in one shot changes the how the frequency of the events feels to a reader. I'm sure I'd have come to a different conclusion had I read it incrementally. I also read Gantz as a pretty much straight through read so I find your comment 1) Hilarious. 2) Spot on. Well, I read the manga, and I think i might be able to come up with a more accurate definition: 1) fan-service 2) fan-service 3) fucking fan-service 4) "KEI-CHAN!!!" "TAE-CHAN!!!" 5) cry and fight aliens lol @ #4. So true. Author could've avoided this instead of time skip + reverse hyperbolic chamber... acknologia or whatever could've just thrown them into the future by 7 years or something lame like that
ROFL. I actually liked Gantz more back when 95% of the cast was getting replaced every ~20 chapters. The Huge buddah arc was the pinnacle of joy for me. After that, the Tokyo going to Kyoto was fun.
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On December 11 2011 07:51 Monokeros wrote:
It's a shame because the last chapter it totally looked like they were going to go through with the no powerups + hardwork finish the tournament but then I guess the writers realized OH WE CAN'T DO THAT GUESS WE GET POWERUPS ANYWAYS SURRY GAIS.
yeah, i was hoping for something interesting when they enter the tournament as a HUGE underdog, like most sport mangas with competition like this one. It always produce something interesting.
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On December 11 2011 07:31 Hynda wrote:
I wish I had healing powers, because that way I could shoot myself in the face every time I read Fairy Tail. That way I could feel the pain of being shot in the face so I could determain what I would rather spend my time doing. And to be frank I deserve it, if you read fairy tail you kind of deserve to be shot in the face and have it heal up so you can be shot again.
I spite my drink out. Thank you good sir.
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On December 11 2011 07:59 Latham wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 12:31 eshlow wrote:On December 03 2011 12:08 Dark_Chill wrote:On December 03 2011 09:18 Logrus wrote:On December 03 2011 08:51 L wrote:On November 28 2011 13:39 Dark_Chill wrote:On November 17 2011 03:06 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
Well, if you think about it, even though Naruto and Luffy are relatively complex, just how far have they gone really? Naruto's entire persona relies on his bromance with Sasuke. He has no real inner conflict with whether it's right leaving Sasuke alive, he's single minded on this and he's a simpleton with everything else. It's not really questioned why Naruto's so intent upon saving this one person even though he's endangering the lives of everyone in his village. His relationship with his dead parents and Jiraya were his other humanizing elements, but again there's no complexity. It would have been more interesting to see how he would react if his parents were actually disappointed in him and how he would have dealt with it, or to see some long lasting effect of seeing his mentor of years die on an away mission and whether it would change his view of death. Nope, nothing complex, just good feelings.
Look at luffy, he's notorious for being a total retard. He had a single chapter of mourning and he goes right back to training. Maybe it can come later, but will Luffy harbor a hatred for the Marines for killing his brother? Doesn't appear so. Has demeanor changed or matured? Nope. The death brought him no lasting effects.
But that's the point of Shonen mangas, they're there for instant gratification, there is no exploration of complex issues. Character do good thing because it's good to do, characters do bad things so they'll be defeated by good characters usually sums up the entire experience.
Try reading mangas like like Berserk or Gantz or Homonculus. Those are mangas for adults. Remember what had happened in those few chapters with Luffy mourning? Not only did Jimbe bring him back from practically wanting to kill himself, he had realized he could still find happiness among his friends. Of course after those few chapters and two years, he wouldn't be all mopey and sad. For Naruto, let's put it this way. When Sasuke almost died against Haku, Naruto went crazy with rage. When Jiraya died, Naruto did not go crazy because of how he had changed with Jiraya's teachings, becoming more accepting and understanding. Both characters have grown slightly, but not in dramatic ways which people could easily see, especially in One Piece's case. Haven't read any of those mangas yet, but planning on reading Gantz soon. The Gantz response to any issue is: 1) Get angry. 2) Cry. Absolutely phenomenal manga, but reading through it in one shot changes the how the frequency of the events feels to a reader. I'm sure I'd have come to a different conclusion had I read it incrementally. I also read Gantz as a pretty much straight through read so I find your comment 1) Hilarious. 2) Spot on. Well, I read the manga, and I think i might be able to come up with a more accurate definition: 1) fan-service 2) fan-service 3) fucking fan-service 4) "KEI-CHAN!!!" "TAE-CHAN!!!" 5) cry and fight aliens lol @ #4. So true. Author could've avoided this instead of time skip + reverse hyperbolic chamber... acknologia or whatever could've just thrown them into the future by 7 years or something lame like that ROFL. I actually liked Gantz more back when 95% of the cast was getting replaced every ~20 chapters. The Huge buddah arc was the pinnacle of joy for me. After that, the Tokyo going to Kyoto was fun.
oh man, the buddah arc was so fucking awesome. I also liked the kyoto arc with the #1 dude wrecking havok in that gorilla suite. Then this guy dies just like that so unexpectedly lol.
Id like to add Zetman to the list of badass manga.
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oh wait, i just realized, i thought the Time Arc Magic doesn't affect living things, then how can this new "improved" magic can help them power up????
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On December 12 2011 00:25 brachester wrote:
oh wait, i just realized, i thought the Time Arc Magic doesn't affect living things, then how can this new "improved" magic can help them power up????
She said it was some strange magic source inside of them, so I think it still works. I don't really get it either, an neither do the characters in Fairy Tail lol.
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On December 12 2011 01:25 Dark_Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 00:25 brachester wrote:
oh wait, i just realized, i thought the Time Arc Magic doesn't affect living things, then how can this new "improved" magic can help them power up???? She said it was some strange magic source inside of them, so I think it still works. I don't really get it either, an neither do the characters in Fairy Tail lol.
you know how Natsu is the only one didn't get it as usually the most stupid character never understand anything, even the easiest concept? Yeah, this new "magic container" confuse the hell out of me the first time as well, now i feel stupid -_-
But basically, everyone has this "magic container" thing. There's a maximum amout of magic one can hold in that container. Once it is used up, they have to rest to refill it. Apparently according to the "recent discovery" humans actually have two container, and she somehow used arc time to let them use the 2nd one, makes them hold twice as much magic as before. Sounds like a load of bs right there, first, arc time cannot be used on living things, 2nd how the fuck does arc time let them use the 2nd container?
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On December 12 2011 01:32 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 01:25 Dark_Chill wrote:On December 12 2011 00:25 brachester wrote:
oh wait, i just realized, i thought the Time Arc Magic doesn't affect living things, then how can this new "improved" magic can help them power up???? She said it was some strange magic source inside of them, so I think it still works. I don't really get it either, an neither do the characters in Fairy Tail lol. you know how Natsu is the only one didn't get it as usually the most stupid character never understand anything, even the easiest concept? Yeah, this new "magic container" confuse the hell out of me the first time as well, now i feel stupid -_- But basically, everyone has this "magic container" thing. There's a maximum amout of magic one can hold in that container. Once it is used up, they have to rest to refill it. Apparently according to the "recent discovery" humans actually have two container, and she somehow used arc time to let them use the 2nd one, makes them hold twice as much magic as before. Sounds like a load of bs right there, first, arc time cannot be used on living things, 2nd how the fuck does arc time let them use the 2nd container?
Magic bro, it's magic.
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On December 12 2011 02:45 ddrddrddrddr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 01:32 brachester wrote:On December 12 2011 01:25 Dark_Chill wrote:On December 12 2011 00:25 brachester wrote:
oh wait, i just realized, i thought the Time Arc Magic doesn't affect living things, then how can this new "improved" magic can help them power up???? She said it was some strange magic source inside of them, so I think it still works. I don't really get it either, an neither do the characters in Fairy Tail lol. you know how Natsu is the only one didn't get it as usually the most stupid character never understand anything, even the easiest concept? Yeah, this new "magic container" confuse the hell out of me the first time as well, now i feel stupid -_- But basically, everyone has this "magic container" thing. There's a maximum amout of magic one can hold in that container. Once it is used up, they have to rest to refill it. Apparently according to the "recent discovery" humans actually have two container, and she somehow used arc time to let them use the 2nd one, makes them hold twice as much magic as before. Sounds like a load of bs right there, first, arc time cannot be used on living things, 2nd how the fuck does arc time let them use the 2nd container? Magic bro, it's magic.
lol, magic 
but there's always a fine line between fantasy and bs made up logic
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On December 12 2011 01:32 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 01:25 Dark_Chill wrote:On December 12 2011 00:25 brachester wrote:
oh wait, i just realized, i thought the Time Arc Magic doesn't affect living things, then how can this new "improved" magic can help them power up???? She said it was some strange magic source inside of them, so I think it still works. I don't really get it either, an neither do the characters in Fairy Tail lol. you know how Natsu is the only one didn't get it as usually the most stupid character never understand anything, even the easiest concept? Yeah, this new "magic container" confuse the hell out of me the first time as well, now i feel stupid -_- But basically, everyone has this "magic container" thing. There's a maximum amout of magic one can hold in that container. Once it is used up, they have to rest to refill it. Apparently according to the "recent discovery" humans actually have two container, and she somehow used arc time to let them use the 2nd one, makes them hold twice as much magic as before. Sounds like a load of bs right there, first, arc time cannot be used on living things, 2nd how the fuck does arc time let them use the 2nd container?
I guess she will use time arc on the second container. Like, the second container will be 50years older that way so it sorta has evolved. Which makes them able to use it now.
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On December 12 2011 03:00 MuTa07 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 01:32 brachester wrote:On December 12 2011 01:25 Dark_Chill wrote:On December 12 2011 00:25 brachester wrote:
oh wait, i just realized, i thought the Time Arc Magic doesn't affect living things, then how can this new "improved" magic can help them power up???? She said it was some strange magic source inside of them, so I think it still works. I don't really get it either, an neither do the characters in Fairy Tail lol. you know how Natsu is the only one didn't get it as usually the most stupid character never understand anything, even the easiest concept? Yeah, this new "magic container" confuse the hell out of me the first time as well, now i feel stupid -_- But basically, everyone has this "magic container" thing. There's a maximum amout of magic one can hold in that container. Once it is used up, they have to rest to refill it. Apparently according to the "recent discovery" humans actually have two container, and she somehow used arc time to let them use the 2nd one, makes them hold twice as much magic as before. Sounds like a load of bs right there, first, arc time cannot be used on living things, 2nd how the fuck does arc time let them use the 2nd container? I guess she will use time arc on the second container. Like, the second container will be 50years older that way so it sorta has evolved. Which makes them able to use it now.
it would still contradict with the fact that it cannot be used on living things
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On December 12 2011 03:27 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 03:00 MuTa07 wrote:On December 12 2011 01:32 brachester wrote:On December 12 2011 01:25 Dark_Chill wrote:On December 12 2011 00:25 brachester wrote:
oh wait, i just realized, i thought the Time Arc Magic doesn't affect living things, then how can this new "improved" magic can help them power up???? She said it was some strange magic source inside of them, so I think it still works. I don't really get it either, an neither do the characters in Fairy Tail lol. you know how Natsu is the only one didn't get it as usually the most stupid character never understand anything, even the easiest concept? Yeah, this new "magic container" confuse the hell out of me the first time as well, now i feel stupid -_- But basically, everyone has this "magic container" thing. There's a maximum amout of magic one can hold in that container. Once it is used up, they have to rest to refill it. Apparently according to the "recent discovery" humans actually have two container, and she somehow used arc time to let them use the 2nd one, makes them hold twice as much magic as before. Sounds like a load of bs right there, first, arc time cannot be used on living things, 2nd how the fuck does arc time let them use the 2nd container? I guess she will use time arc on the second container. Like, the second container will be 50years older that way so it sorta has evolved. Which makes them able to use it now. it would still contradict with the fact that it cannot be used on living things
That, and the fact that evolving the container makes no sense whatsoever to make it usable for the mages that have it. There is not even the slightest bit of explanation of it aside from the fact that "evolving the container makes it usable". Which is rather strange, as the second magical container is a recent discovery and already the fact is out that she can use her time arc to, not only evolve that container, but also that such evolvement makes it possible for mages to use that container and increases one's power.
Funny part of all this is, the writer forced this lame power-up even though he had enough chances to actually do a "legit" power up of Fairy Tail members.
Instead of actually making Fairy Tail train for 3 months in the real world he brings them over into the spirit world, for no real good reason either. If 1 day equals 1 month in real world, then 7 year equals about 84 days in the spirit world, not really such a long time period or special event to actually invite humans to their world and throw a party.
So here the writer passed on the 3 months of legimate training for his main characters so he could throw them another time skip, this time of 3 months, with no apparent reason other then to introduce a lame magic power up for Fairy Tail members at the last moment for the tournemant.
How big of a trolling is that? xD
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On December 12 2011 04:01 Gnight wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 03:27 brachester wrote:On December 12 2011 03:00 MuTa07 wrote:On December 12 2011 01:32 brachester wrote:On December 12 2011 01:25 Dark_Chill wrote:On December 12 2011 00:25 brachester wrote:
oh wait, i just realized, i thought the Time Arc Magic doesn't affect living things, then how can this new "improved" magic can help them power up???? She said it was some strange magic source inside of them, so I think it still works. I don't really get it either, an neither do the characters in Fairy Tail lol. you know how Natsu is the only one didn't get it as usually the most stupid character never understand anything, even the easiest concept? Yeah, this new "magic container" confuse the hell out of me the first time as well, now i feel stupid -_- But basically, everyone has this "magic container" thing. There's a maximum amout of magic one can hold in that container. Once it is used up, they have to rest to refill it. Apparently according to the "recent discovery" humans actually have two container, and she somehow used arc time to let them use the 2nd one, makes them hold twice as much magic as before. Sounds like a load of bs right there, first, arc time cannot be used on living things, 2nd how the fuck does arc time let them use the 2nd container? I guess she will use time arc on the second container. Like, the second container will be 50years older that way so it sorta has evolved. Which makes them able to use it now. it would still contradict with the fact that it cannot be used on living things That, and the fact that evolving the container makes no sense whatsoever to make it usable for the mages that have it. There is not even the slightest bit of explanation of it aside from the fact that "evolving the container makes it usable". Which is rather strange, as the second magical container is a recent discovery and already the fact is out that she can use her time arc to, not only evolve that container, but also that such evolvement makes it possible for mages to use that container and increases one's power. Funny part of all this is, the writer forced this lame power-up even though he had enough chances to actually do a "legit" power up of Fairy Tail members. Instead of actually making Fairy Tail train for 3 months in the real world he brings them over into the spirit world, for no real good reason either. If 1 day equals 1 month in real world, then 7 year equals about 84 days in the spirit world, not really such a long time period or special event to actually invite humans to their world and throw a party. So here the writer passed on the 3 months of legimate training for his main characters so he could throw them another time skip, this time of 3 months, with no apparent reason other then to introduce a lame magic power up for Fairy Tail members at the last moment for the tournemant. How big of a trolling is that? xD
Spirits are needy creatures.
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Ever since the time skip, Fairy Tail seems to be on a downward spiral....Not only the storyline, but the manga drawings itself looks more childish.
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On December 13 2011 03:29 wunsun wrote:
Ever since the time skip, Fairy Tail seems to be on a downward spiral....Not only the storyline, but the manga drawings itself looks more childish.
i think the drawing is still the same, just the story isn't as good as it used to be.
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Lol @ Happy in the end! Best thing about the whole chapter ^_^
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On December 23 2011 00:52 0123456789 wrote:
Lol @ Happy in the end! Best thing about the whole chapter ^_^
That was pretty awesome, couldn't help but laugh.
Hopefully, the author will know how to do this well. I'm looking forward to seeing the unveil at the tournament so we can see the new magic being used for the first time in the battle.
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rolf, love the character of Happy, best character in the whole manga
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happy you cheeky cheeky bastard
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Happy deserves to get his 2nd container opened as well! XD Also, cute Erza is cute.
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