EPTElectronic Dance Music Discussion Thread - Page 73
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
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decafchicken
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
On August 03 2013 13:33 decafchicken wrote: Try re-posting without coming off as such a condescending asshole about a completely subjective thing like taste in music. Obviously dance music is more popular and commercialized these days and there are DJs that capitalize on that but there is plenty of excellently produced 'mainstream' music by your standards. Listen to the last episode of ASOT and you'll actually here a lot of quality trance despite it being 'mainstream'. asot has always been good. which is why i mentioned good trance. i stated facts. electro has become popularized and it is the same shit over and over again. taste is subjective, so some people will like that shit. which is why some people love justin bieber. its my opinion, condescending or not the fact remains that actual creativity is in these subgenres, actual thought gets put into these songs instead of just using some synth template bullshit with a vocal and calling it a hit. actual creativity still exists in some new good electro songs....of course there is, but its not very common anymore, its just mass produced. i still respect artists that didnt sell out after making it big though, although i cant hate on them for loving the $$$$ aka guetta deadmau5 etc. ill listen to sasha anyday, give me some oldschool digweed and im happy. i respect talent. thats all. and chill with the insults, you'd expect with 15k posts you'd know better. edit: btw asot is definitely not "mainstream" especially here in the states (maybe in europe), and especially not with the whole electro and house movement going on. trance is not mainstream and never really was. | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
The only thing that is different is that there are more artists, and the artists that are popular with the majority of people don't produce music that you like (anymore), and now you consider it mass produced. And the only artists you listen to are the ones that are popular, and you don't like the popular music anymore. Music is music, and music is personal, so get off your high horse. Whether or not it is being "mass produced" or the artist "sold out" doesn't mean the genre is degrading in quality. It means whatever's popular right now, you don't like, and you need to accept that instead of accusing artists of selling out. I'm not saying a lot of music doesn't sound similar. I'm saying that your idea about artists selling out is in your head, and so is the idea that "nowadays almost all the songs sound the same". Just listen to other songs then instead of the mainstream. And on a less personal note, I really didn't enjoy any of your songs. Like, on that level where I don't mind it, but I don't like any of it. I'm not a fan of deep house though so who knows. And the point of a drop isn't to "surprise you". If a drop surprises me that's an issue, because that means they've failed the build-up. I haven't heard any "mainstream" songs in a while except for stuff from Armin's Intense so I have no idea what the songs sound like. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Someone mentioned Adventure Club :p my favourite is Youth + Show Spoiler + | ||
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
On August 03 2013 14:22 Blisse wrote: You're in those hipster-like "every genre of music has gone to shit because it's all been mass produced crowds". You're probably also in "my favourite artist is only putting out mass produced garbage now and I don't like it crowds". Also probably in the "old school is best school crowd". Guess what, it's in your head. The only thing that is different is that there are more artists, and the artists that are popular with the majority of people don't produce music that you like (anymore), and now you consider it mass produced. And the only artists you listen to are the ones that are popular, and you don't like the popular music anymore. Music is music, and music is personal, so get off your high horse. Whether or not it is being "mass produced" or the artist "sold out" doesn't mean the genre is degrading in quality. It means whatever's popular right now, you don't like, and you need to accept that instead of accusing artists of selling out. I'm not saying a lot of music doesn't sound similar. I'm saying that your idea about artists selling out is in your head, and so is the idea that "nowadays almost all the songs sound the same". Just listen to other songs then instead of the mainstream. And on a less personal note, I really didn't enjoy any of your songs. Like, on that level where I don't mind it, but I don't like any of it. I'm not a fan of deep house though so who knows. And the point of a drop isn't to "surprise you". If a drop surprises me that's an issue, because that means they've failed the build-up. I haven't heard any "mainstream" songs in a while except for stuff from Armin's Intense so I have no idea what the songs sound like. + Show Spoiler + http://youtu.be/gY16msUgCYM + Show Spoiler + http://youtu.be/efULVQxhijY + Show Spoiler + http://youtu.be/FM675VU1LBo Someone mentioned Adventure Club :p my favourite is Youth + Show Spoiler + http://youtu.be/IOnrMwTrO0s So let me get this straight, according to you I'm a hipster now? Lmao. You're one of those people huh? Way to make assumptions, those are always fun. You're probably one of the kids popping mollies wearing neon yolo shirts and glowsticks around their neck with glasses at night. See how fun assumptions are? I've already said I know music is personal taste, in fact i even mentioned in my post that the songs i was showing aren't for anyone and they take getting used to. However what I don't understand is why the fuck you're so butthurt. Don't give me a lecture on how music has become this and that and how i need to accept that because artists didnt really sell out. It's not like I'm new to this scene, I've been listening to electronic music since i was 12, im 25 now. I've seen it change, I've heard it change. I've played it, I've helped make it. I've lived this shit for 13 years lol. Yes, some artists HAVE sold out, and just because some of those artists might be your "top song out right now" guy doesnt make it untrue. Guetta making a shitty commercial radio track with flo rida rapping to it or lil wayne, for the money i.....idk call it whatever you want. The only thing that is different is that there are more artists, and the artists that are popular with the majority of people don't produce music that you like (anymore), and now you consider it mass produced. And the only artists you listen to are the ones that are popular, and you don't like the popular music anymore. What??? The only artists I listen to are popular ones, but i dont like popular music anymore??? I don't even know what this means. It's funny because i've always liked daft punk, they were always pretty mainstream, and i liked their recent hit get lucky. I'm not some sort of non conformist that is just dying to go against the grain lol. I've always and always will have an open mind when it comes to music, and every assumption you made about what i think of music in the past and present is wrong. Get off your high horse and accept reality. Sure the electro scene hasnt degraded in quality because youre right, there are a lot more artists now, everyone is capitalizing on it. But there is an oversaturation of crap. The same repetitive theme in alot of songs. A lot of songs sound the same and follow the same basic minimum requirements to be considered a club hit. And how can you say some mainstream music doesnt change or get worse with time? Was that the case with rap/hip hop? Main stream hiphop was in my opinion much better before than it is now. Obviously there are great artists today, many of them in the underground scene, yes some old artists are still good. That doesn't mean that mainstream hip hop hasnt lost quality, ie lil wayne, flo rida, pit bull etc. How is it an absurd claim or "its in my head" that the same might be happening with electro? Just because it happens to be your favorite little genre? Like i said, to each their own, thats why some people love justin bieber. You love electro, thats your thing go for it, i really dont care what you listen to because it doesn't affect what I listen to. Also, just to clarify I still enjoy the genre itself, just as i still enjoy trance because i always have. There are good songs that come out even today, dont assume that im just saying it's all bad, because its obvious i must have hit a nerve with you... Also on a less personal note, I didn't really like that "approaching nirvana" song that you posted. Like, on an I-can't-tolerate-it-at-all level. Sounds like a couple of songs i've heard before. The second one wasnt so bad, not my cup of tea but hey, im not as into electro as I used to be so who knows. Some oldschool artists are still bad ass today. Sasha for example....still good as ever. I'll always hold a place in my heart for trance, and i'm always open to hearing new sets. The other day i brought out armins ASOT end of year 2008 mix. holy shit, incredible just as always. | ||
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khanofmongols
542 Posts
On August 03 2013 13:39 HeavenS wrote: asot has always been good. which is why i mentioned good trance. i stated facts. electro has become popularized and it is the same shit over and over again. taste is subjective, so some people will like that shit. which is why some people love justin bieber. its my opinion, condescending or not the fact remains that actual creativity is in these subgenres, actual thought gets put into these songs instead of just using some synth template bullshit with a vocal and calling it a hit. actual creativity still exists in some new good electro songs....of course there is, but its not very common anymore, its just mass produced. i still respect artists that didnt sell out after making it big though, although i cant hate on them for loving the $$$$ aka guetta deadmau5 etc. ill listen to sasha anyday, give me some oldschool digweed and im happy. i respect talent. thats all. and chill with the insults, you'd expect with 15k posts you'd know better. edit: btw asot is definitely not "mainstream" especially here in the states (maybe in europe), and especially not with the whole electro and house movement going on. trance is not mainstream and never really was. Look up the richest djs/producers in the world. Nearly all of them are (or were) trance djs/producers. Trance is pretty much the mainstream EDM genre. It is just so enduring; trance is still around in the mainstream compared to say 2-step or the countless genres falling by the wayside. | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On August 03 2013 15:25 HeavenS wrote:-snip- You're really the only one who's butthurt here. Get over the "fact" that artists have sold out and "almost all the songs" are mainstream garbage, because it's your opinion, "most songs" are definitely not mainstream and no one cares about it, especially if you're making fun of everyone in this thread for liking "mainstream crap". Get over yourself. It's pathetic. | ||
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Voyage
Germany71 Posts
On August 03 2013 16:39 khanofmongols wrote: Look up the richest djs/producers in the world. Nearly all of them are (or were) trance djs/producers. Trance is pretty much the mainstream EDM genre. It is just so enduring; trance is still around in the mainstream compared to say 2-step or the countless genres falling by the wayside. Digweed, Sasha and friends in Top 10 guess you are right. But as Daft Punk and Tiesto are Top 2 I think rich trance DJs profited from the long time trance has been around. Daft Punk made 60M$ in half the time Sasha made 40M$. But I still did not expect such high numbers for DJs at all. | ||
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
On August 03 2013 17:07 Blisse wrote: You're really the only one who's butthurt here. Get over the "fact" that artists have sold out and "almost all the songs" are mainstream garbage, because it's your opinion, "most songs" are definitely not mainstream and no one cares about it, especially if you're making fun of everyone in this thread for liking "mainstream crap". Get over yourself. It's pathetic. dont try to help your case by grouping yourself with everyone else in this thread. this thread is huge and alot of people have posted amazing shit. just because i said there seems to be a lot of mainstream crap in the thread doesnt mean im insulting "everybody", lol i've been over it, you're the one that felt like attacking me because of some hurt feelings or something. your tone seems to imply you're not over it though, let it go. but anywayyss now that thats out of the way, my purpose for posting those songs is to make people aware of an awesome subgenre thats gaining alot of attention in the underground scene. if you guys love electronic then keep an open mind and check it out, maybe you will like it  On August 03 2013 16:39 khanofmongols wrote: Look up the richest djs/producers in the world. Nearly all of them are (or were) trance djs/producers. Trance is pretty much the mainstream EDM genre. It is just so enduring; trance is still around in the mainstream compared to say 2-step or the countless genres falling by the wayside. yea definitely, thats why i mentioned europe. it never gained as much attention in the US but it still made an impact. the electro movement and music festivals i feel is what made it so mainstream here in the US. but those dj's you mentioned get paid ridiculous amounts per show haha. my friend promotes for one of the clubs here (mansion) and he mentioned how they paid tiesto like 30k+ for playing on a huge sold out night. pretty awesome, i love trance i need to find some new sets though. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20078 Posts
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
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DDie
Brazil2369 Posts
On August 03 2013 23:00 HeavenS wrote: dont try to help your case by grouping yourself with everyone else in this thread. this thread is huge and alot of people have posted amazing shit. just because i said there seems to be a lot of mainstream crap in the thread doesnt mean im insulting "everybody", lol i've been over it, you're the one that felt like attacking me because of some hurt feelings or something. your tone seems to imply you're not over it though, let it go. but anywayyss now that thats out of the way, my purpose for posting those songs is to make people aware of an awesome subgenre thats gaining alot of attention in the underground scene. if you guys love electronic then keep an open mind and check it out, maybe you will like it yea definitely, thats why i mentioned europe. it never gained as much attention in the US but it still made an impact. the electro movement and music festivals i feel is what made it so mainstream here in the US. but those dj's you mentioned get paid ridiculous amounts per show haha. my friend promotes for one of the clubs here (mansion) and he mentioned how they paid tiesto like 30k+ for playing on a huge sold out night. pretty awesome, i love trance i need to find some new sets though. That must have been a long, long time ago, Tiesto these days makes at least 100k per gig. | ||
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JonathanMerklin
United States72 Posts
Also, don't say Tiesto, I'm not really a big fan of his stuff outside of a track or two. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On August 04 2013 00:47 JonathanMerklin wrote: I don't know if this is necessarily the right thread since from what I hear and can tell, EDM is a very broad and vague term, but can you guys who (presumably) listen to it way more than me recommend me some artists that are similar to Nicky Romero, Calvin Harris (especially his stuff from 18 months), Avicii, NERVO, David Guetta? I know, they're ridiculously mainstream especially in terms of US EDM, but I dig their sound. Also, don't say Tiesto, I'm not really a big fan of his stuff outside of a track or two. It really depends on what you specifically like about those artists/DJs. What are your favorite songs? What are your favorite PARTS of those songs? | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On August 03 2013 23:00 HeavenS wrote: this thread is huge and alot of people have posted amazing shit. just because i said there seems to be a lot of mainstream crap in the thread doesnt mean im insulting "everybody", lol i've been over it, you're the one that felt like attacking me because of some hurt feelings or something. your tone seems to imply you're not over it though, let it go. but anywayyss now that thats out of the way, my purpose for posting those songs is to make people aware of an awesome subgenre thats gaining alot of attention in the underground scene. if you guys love electronic then keep an open mind and check it out, maybe you will like it /QUOTE]Let's review. too much mainstream crap in this thread heres some deep house to improve the quality a bit Sure, I was insulting you because you come in here on a high horse like you're an EDM god, insulted people in the thread, and you posted pretty shitty music (at least imo?). You're the only one who got mad. I didn't even read your rant against my post. I just saw the insults thrown. All I've been telling you is, get off your high horse about artists selling out and mainstream being crap. edit: Ah, pretentious, that was the word. On August 04 2013 00:47 JonathanMerklin wrote: I don't know if this is necessarily the right thread since from what I hear and can tell, EDM is a very broad and vague term, but can you guys who (presumably) listen to it way more than me recommend me some artists that are similar to Nicky Romero, Calvin Harris (especially his stuff from 18 months), Avicii, NERVO, David Guetta? I know, they're ridiculously mainstream especially in terms of US EDM, but I dig their sound. Also, don't say Tiesto, I'm not really a big fan of his stuff outside of a track or two. Need sample tracks to really give recommendations unless you want a lot more varied stuff. | ||
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Nigam
France12 Posts
Actually, some unrealeased ones, most of them are ID's but I thought you'd be interested. That one was caught on the Hardwell's set Tomorrowland 2013( One of the best Set so far, crap to the microphone, but overall, very sucessful set even though it kinda looked similar to UMF one). Blasterjaxx - Fifteen + Show Spoiler + Qulinez - Archangel Other than the famous ''Troll'' tune they made a while ago, I thought Qulinez comeback with a sick drop song, very addictive + Show Spoiler + Hardwell & Blasterjaxx - ID Other than being an excellent DJ(personnally this is my number 1 DJ), Hardwell knows how to make the show, very positive atmosphere here at the EDC, makes me wanna jump lol. + Show Spoiler + Madeon - Technicolor I think Madeon is really talented , with this track he should get more credit and support as well ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vois0RMtPHE Showtek - Booyah The german duo is just sick, every single track they make are like drugs where you could listen all day long. I've seen them few months ago, I thought they were pretty decent. hope they get more famous on the scene. + Show Spoiler + Ellie Goulding - Fire (Tiesto Remix) More of a chill song, I've picked that one because I thought it was brilliant from start to end, love the lyrics, very catchy song + Show Spoiler + The ''drops'' songs kinda look similar nowadays, I couldn't agree more, so I guess they need to find a new instrument to get over it D: Let me know if you like the songs ! | ||
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
On August 04 2013 00:01 FallDownMarigold wrote: Hey HeavenS those songs kinda reminded me more of elevator music than festival music. Festivals and such are the sorts of places in which I like to be around electronic music, not elevators. Appreciate you posting them, but it turns out they're just not my taste. It's kind of obnoxious to act pretentious about music, whether or not it's popular. So maybe just post about what you like and share your songs without taking stabs at the main stream sheeple musics :p hahaha! elevator music! thats good! you know whats funny? i showed this music to some co workers one time and they said it sound like softcore porn music lmao i guess i can agree, some of it is very mellow, once you get used to it you start to appreciate the subleties instead of how loud or blaring it is. oh btw, listening to this on your own is very different from listening to it at a club with an amazing sound system, believe me if you dont liek it now, at a club it would sound completely different, the bass is so much better. | ||
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Ryndika
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@HeavenS + Show Spoiler + not all people are into "deeper" side of music - same with any form of art, they just want some fun sounds and they might not listen to music a lot so they might not appreciate little things found in "non-commercial" music like you said. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On August 04 2013 04:31 Ryndika wrote: Any classic trance music lovers? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HgZe3dUltk&feature=share&list=PL2B7422D7C04EBB64 @HeavenS + Show Spoiler + not all people are into "deeper" side of music - same with any form of art, they just want some fun sounds and they might not listen to music a lot so they might not appreciate little things found in "non-commercial" music like you said. Now THAT'S classic. I didn't hear about Luigi Lusini until 2 weeks ago on ASOT. Was pleasantly surprised going through some of his stuff. As for the discussion at hand: + Show Spoiler + It's still rather pretentious to believe that those that love/listen to the popular "commercialized" stuff don't listen to a lot of music, or even insinuate that they don't appreciate other music. People have different tastes, bottom line. The things you laud as being "deeper" than the mainstream appeal to your tastes, which are likely no more refined than somebody that listens to mainstream stuff just as much as you listen to "deep" sub-genres. Really, in the end, nobody should listen to music they don't like. Even if they're told they just have to "develop a taste for it," it makes little sense to spend time not enjoying themselves. The most you should do is give them an adequate sampling and hope that their mood and tastes are such that you introduced them to music they ALSO enjoy. Belittling members of your community for music within the overarching genre does nothing for this objective and only makes you look like an ass. | ||
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Jockmcplop
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