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Pandemona
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Poll: DreamLeague Season 11 Major ChampionVirtus Pro (19) 43% Vici Gaming (13) 30% Fnatic (12) 27% 44 total votes Your vote: DreamLeague Season 11 Major Champion (Vote): Vici Gaming
(Vote): Fnatic
(Vote): Virtus Pro
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This is why I hate when TO schedule's 4 bo3s in a day. Max 12 games which realistically is a 15 hour day assuming no technical issues. It makes no logistical sense. Today was a 13 hour day which ended at 1am +.....
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Yeah I agree. Yesterday they had what, 2 series? Now they jump to 4 series? How about you actually give viewers a little more to watch one day and try not to murder your panelists, host and casters the very next...
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
:D agreed
Hoping for VP vs VG bo5 GF with some epic drafts and plays. Lets go VP
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FNATIC!!! Now just win 1 more and get into the finals
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wow clean game from Fnatic
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Damn would be so impressed if they manage to win VP 2 bo3.
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I don't think blink first TA is paying off enough for Fnatic.
I guess with serpent wards, TA doesn't need deso first to take towers easily.
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Oh no, VP to the finals. But I think VG wins no matter who advances
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this game is so over god damn it xd
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scythe is kinda retarded. how many years will it take for mr frog to change it?
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155 s. is that the longest death time possible ?
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On March 24 2019 23:23 Snakesneaks wrote:
155 s. is that the longest death time possible ?
nah ive been out for 170+, seen 180 before
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killed by scythe --> bb --> killed by scythe again --> how long the respawn timer is ?
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On March 24 2019 23:28 Snakesneaks wrote:
killed by scythe --> bb --> killed by scythe again --> how long the respawn timer is ?
This is one hell of the saddest story I have ever heard
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(145/4)+145 innit? 181 or so? right
(100 is lvl 25 death timer, 45 is necro boost, 145/4 is 25% of the first death)
edit: ah no it's flat 25 at lvl 25, because it's a flat death timer /4 if you buyback now.
The new max is:
100+25+45=170
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Hard to bet against a Jabz Dark Willow. Fnatic looks strong
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Interesting drafts.
Let's go !
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with these lategame oriented heroes, i wonder if fnatic ever considered midgame phase when they drafted.
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Honestly if Fnatic does lose here, at the very least they've probably secured TI9 invite
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Nope fnatic cant do it =/
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VP just took 5 straight series 2-1. 4 of them they lost the first match. If they can take the title, they'd pull off one of the nuttiest runs we've ever seen.
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I think the moral of the story for this game is pick Noone something he cannot lose with and then you can't lose
he needs something tanky to not fuck up the gameplan for VP
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that's some Zelda remix right there
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Reminder that when VP lost game 1 against chaos people were saying they didn't give a fuck about this tournament, they were playing bad, internal problems, etc etc
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hoping for at least a 4 game series
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On March 25 2019 01:41 Wineandbread wrote:
hoping for at least a 4 game series
don't worry vp will lose game 1
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On March 25 2019 00:33 Taf the Ghost wrote:
VP just took 5 straight series 2-1. 4 of them they lost the first match. If they can take the title, they'd pull off one of the nuttiest runs we've ever seen.
Just checked the group stage, they also won there 2 series while losing the first game.
And suddenly i am cheering for VP
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On March 25 2019 01:46 Tegenaria wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2019 00:33 Taf the Ghost wrote:
VP just took 5 straight series 2-1. 4 of them they lost the first match. If they can take the title, they'd pull off one of the nuttiest runs we've ever seen. Just checked the group stage, they also won their 2 series while losing the first game. And suddenly i am cheering for VP
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dam those coordinated tips
I've never seen a 5v1 on both sides
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It was 16 to 1 in kills and only behind by 2-3k. That's some good farming efficiency.
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VP really farming up on that position 4 Shadow Shaman. Gotta love that
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VP is getting badly outwarded.
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Well, VP lost game 1. All is well, haha.
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On March 25 2019 02:40 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Well, VP lost game 1. All is well, haha.
They will have to lose game 2 as well to be under enough pressure to win.
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Man this has been such a weird game. VP literally flopped over for the first 20 minutes of the game and took no fights, which made VG's deathball kinda inefficient
VP was actually pretty close to turning that series towards the midgame on the back of their PL
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On March 25 2019 02:42 Wineandbread wrote:
Man this has been such a weird game. VP literally flopped over for the first 20 minutes of the game and took no fights, which made VG's deathball kinda inefficient
VP was actually pretty close to turning that series towards the midgame on the back of their PL
VP's approach made sense, which was dodging what VG wanted the do. Problem is they got badly out warded, so VG could finally chain multiple kills after someone had bought back. Without that vision in the Dire jungle (both sides) for most of the game beyond 20 minutes, VG probably gets rolled at a few of those team fights.
Plus, whatever happened near the Dire T1/T2 area where Ravage was used and no one from VG died really broke VP's strategic position.
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VP probably has more unused normal pick/ban time accumulated than their actual reserve time in this draft
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Oh look, there is an Arc Warden pick from VG.
Aaaand AntiMage response from VP.
Dayum
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VP wins this. VG must to buy lockdown items to destroy AM.
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Pasha has spent this entire series so far getting killed.
EDIT: Apparently I misidentified the player.
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Lets see if Ramzes's shoulders are strong enough to carry this game...
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On March 25 2019 03:24 BlazingGlory wrote:
Lets see if Ramzes's shoulders are strong enough to carry this game...
I don't understand why Doom kept going bot to die. I get lane presence and all, but surely it'd be better to farm jungle and play passively.
I think that might've made this too hard of a game to carry for Ramzes
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VG is definitely a Rotk coached team, and it's definitely in his type of meta.
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VP are in this for sure. Getting Doom on either of the vici cores is huge
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I shouldn't have ever doubted VP. Doom might even recover w/ the devour gold talent.
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If VG hadn't killed Pasha so much in the early game, they'd be getting rolled over already.
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VG won't be able to get hex on Arc Warden before the next Roshan.
edit: and it won't matter
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VP's disengage into reengage is so strong. It's like they're dancing in some team fights
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AW, like Alchemist, is a gold pit if you've got a draft to deal with a hard carry. Seen this movie before.
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Rodjer shackles are MVP of that game
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as much as pasha fed early, he had some amazing dooms later in the game
ramzes still mvp though for sure
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That was quite a good game for VG basically having no answers for an AM.
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VP is always so god damn lucky xxxxxxxx
edit: they're very skilled, sure, but the amount of 50/50s that go their way reminds me of OG.
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Doom vs Weaver and DS wins the game solo if it gets prolonged enough.
Still feels that for now Vici has the answers for VP.
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Think I agree with the panel, VP just weren't expecting the TB and didn't have a good answer.
Think they have to play this fast or just lose.
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pretty goodgames these last days.
great tourney and good to hear matu casting a bit
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Missed the draft! Cool picks out of VG. VP still has a lot of the traditional power picks in current meta.
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What is VG doing that's getting VP completely outplayed in the lanes, especially bottom? Even G2 wasn't great for VP early, but G1 and G3 have just been disasters.
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That Pango mid is a liability with that BS counter pick , first team to try it out (that i saw) , VP shouldve kept that Pango offlane.
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On March 25 2019 04:50 VGhost wrote:
What is VG doing that's getting VP completely outplayed in the lanes, especially bottom? Even G2 wasn't great for VP early, but G1 and G3 have just been disasters.
They just went with 3 heroes bot and that was that.
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VG drafted mostly the same all 3 games, this time just with a better carry.
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Welp, that's what Noone gets for playing meta mids exclusively.
If Ori went Hex first they might've put VP in a stretch G2 too.
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VP just has to win 2 games in a row now and not lose any and they win. A familiar situation.
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On March 25 2019 05:21 Moobutt wrote:
VP just has to win 2 games in a row now and not lose any and they win. A familiar situation.
Done it 6 times already this tournament. I'm not joking.
This has been a weird tournament.
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VP with the DS second pick , yikes.
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I just hope they give noone a chance to carry them and not a utility
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On March 25 2019 05:24 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2019 05:21 Moobutt wrote:
VP just has to win 2 games in a row now and not lose any and they win. A familiar situation. Done it 6 times already this tournament. I'm not joking. This has been a weird tournament.
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few teams take off for the next major or skip a few non-major tournaments. I think there's a good chance the next major will just be a new-meta-isn't-figured-out-yet shit show.
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Welp that was NOT how you give him a chance to carry  , seems like ROTK took VP to school in drafting this series , they looked like "YOLO" storm spirit , DK + TB will be unkillable late game , lets see if VP can roll this lanes (not seems likely) into strong mid game.
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VG has a DRASTICALLY easier game as far as execution goes.
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VP are still in a position where one badly lost fight (lost rosh fight for example) is enough for Vici to snowball the rest of the game to a close.
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Damn, what a performance from VP. One-game-from-losing-mode activated.
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Finally, Noone showing up to play.
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On March 25 2019 05:32 bluzi wrote:Welp that was NOT how you give him a chance to carry , seems like ROTK took VP to school in drafting this series , they looked like "YOLO" storm spirit , DK + TB will be unkillable late game , lets see if VP can roll this lanes (not seems likely) into strong mid game.
That's a lot of crow you gotta swallow.
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The top dogs right now are quite evenly matched. Doto is good.
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Lets see how VG handle the heat of the last game of a major , i feel like they need to pressure Ori and give NoOne a favorable matchup and see how he does , great game by VP not letting VG farm at all.
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Some great games all around in the top 4-6 this tournament. Game5 grand finals to boot!
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3rd Major of the season and the second to go to Game 5. Not sure we got two Game 5s the entirety of last season.
Edit: Only 3 Game 5s last season. MDL, Super Major and TI8. So the 3 biggest tournaments. Interesting that.
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I hate to say it, but I think Slacks is right. We're just going to see the most meta picks in game 5.
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OD still available for last pick for VP.
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Did VG just make it to Game 5 of the Finals and make the mistake everyone made against them by going too late?
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On March 25 2019 06:48 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Did VG just make it to Game 5 of the Finals and make the mistake everyone made against them by going too late?
Doesn't matter if they can keep the pressure on and scale early.
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On March 25 2019 06:59 VGhost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2019 06:48 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Did VG just make it to Game 5 of the Finals and make the mistake everyone made against them by going too late? Doesn't matter if they can keep the pressure on and scale early.
I ended up missing most of VG's games this tournament, but their strategic move of taking the early Mid T1 and their laning approach around doing that is why they're here. They're going to get slaughtered by the next patch, so this is their chance to win a big LAN.
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On March 25 2019 07:02 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2019 06:59 VGhost wrote:On March 25 2019 06:48 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Did VG just make it to Game 5 of the Finals and make the mistake everyone made against them by going too late? Doesn't matter if they can keep the pressure on and scale early. I ended up missing most of VG's games this tournament, but their strategic move of taking the early Mid T1 and their laning approach around doing that is why they're here. They're going to get slaughtered by the next patch, so this is their chance to win a big LAN.
I'm surprised no team dissected this and punished them for it harder.
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Looking pretty grim for VP here.
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On March 25 2019 07:04 Moobutt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2019 07:02 Taf the Ghost wrote:On March 25 2019 06:59 VGhost wrote:On March 25 2019 06:48 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Did VG just make it to Game 5 of the Finals and make the mistake everyone made against them by going too late? Doesn't matter if they can keep the pressure on and scale early. I ended up missing most of VG's games this tournament, but their strategic move of taking the early Mid T1 and their laning approach around doing that is why they're here. They're going to get slaughtered by the next patch, so this is their chance to win a big LAN. I'm surprised no team dissected this and punished them for it harder.
Well, if you're the underdog, you can fly under the radar until the tournament is over. CDEC at TI5 and OG at TI8 come to mind.
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I think Lycan was a bad choice. VG is a hard patch team (as this is core Rotk strategy), but they're hitting their strategy hard. OG won a good number of Majors taking this approach, though in a different flavor.
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Congrats to VG. And a really good adaptation by stealing Secret's Venge strategy as it went on.
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On March 25 2019 07:12 Taf the Ghost wrote:
I think Lycan was a bad choice. VG is a hard patch team (as this is core Rotk strategy), but they're hitting their strategy hard. OG won a good number of Majors taking this approach, though in a different flavor.
Ori pretty much destroyed Noone mid on non-meta heroes.
Patch team, yeah.
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Am I the rare few that find OD Pixel annoying when he yells their team name at the end? Man I miss Tobi...
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I haven't seen a Doom accomplish anything worthwhile on the core position despite VP constantly picking him. Just a completely worthless pick.
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On March 25 2019 07:14 Danzo wrote:
Am I the rare few that find OD Pixel annoying when he yells their team name at the end? Man I miss Tobi...
+, OD is too obnoxious for me
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On March 25 2019 07:15 juuto wrote:
I haven't seen a Doom accomplish anything worthwhile on the core position despite VP constantly picking him. Just a completely worthless pick.
You just absolutely missed G2, lol.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
VG finally living up to their potential is such a great thing to see <3
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On March 25 2019 07:16 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2019 07:15 juuto wrote:
I haven't seen a Doom accomplish anything worthwhile on the core position despite VP constantly picking him. Just a completely worthless pick. You just absolutely missed G2, lol.
I never said that I watched every game but one or two wins doesn't make up for the fact some games, he's just completely useless which is a huge problem when it's a core. It's too easy for people to survive through a Doom these days and it's too difficult for teams to kill the Doom target. Way too hit or miss of a hero to be picking him the way VP have.
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On March 25 2019 07:14 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2019 07:12 Taf the Ghost wrote:
I think Lycan was a bad choice. VG is a hard patch team (as this is core Rotk strategy), but they're hitting their strategy hard. OG won a good number of Majors taking this approach, though in a different flavor. Ori pretty much destroyed Noone mid on non-meta heroes. Patch team, yeah.
Paparazzi and Ori are very good. Fade & Yang have spent most of the last 18 months falling apart in tournaments. They didn't today, which is part of the reason they just won.
I missed most of VG's games because they were favored to lose those matches (and I wasn't around for them). Having a chance to actually watch them for a bit, they really only have 1 strategy, but a lot of ways of pulling it off. OG won 4 Majors and a TI using that approach. It's "solving" a patch, realistically. But that strategy requires winning lanes enough to take the Mid T1 and having the better carry.
It's really a variation of what Rotk has been doing for years, to the point that we saw almost this exact same thing happen last year with VGJ.Thunder. VG just has better pos 1 & 2.
So, congrats to VG on winning the Major and making sure rotk is back to TI, even if as a coach.
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One of the worst games per day distribution in the history of dota
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Papua New Guinea504 Posts
Well done Vici, they derserved the win. Though vs Fnatic 3rd game was kind of "very good luck".
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On March 25 2019 08:28 VvvV1251 wrote:
One of the worst games per day distribution in the history of dota
as a full time 9 to 6 office worker I enjoyed the relax scheduling.
although Saturday 4 games vs. Sunday 2 games, on bracket distribution it makes sense, but in practical feels weird.
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On March 25 2019 07:02 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2019 06:59 VGhost wrote:On March 25 2019 06:48 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Did VG just make it to Game 5 of the Finals and make the mistake everyone made against them by going too late? Doesn't matter if they can keep the pressure on and scale early. I ended up missing most of VG's games this tournament, but their strategic move of taking the early Mid T1 and their laning approach around doing that is why they're here. They're going to get slaughtered by the next patch, so this is their chance to win a big LAN.
On March 25 2019 07:09 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2019 07:04 Moobutt wrote:On March 25 2019 07:02 Taf the Ghost wrote:On March 25 2019 06:59 VGhost wrote:On March 25 2019 06:48 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Did VG just make it to Game 5 of the Finals and make the mistake everyone made against them by going too late? Doesn't matter if they can keep the pressure on and scale early. I ended up missing most of VG's games this tournament, but their strategic move of taking the early Mid T1 and their laning approach around doing that is why they're here. They're going to get slaughtered by the next patch, so this is their chance to win a big LAN. I'm surprised no team dissected this and punished them for it harder. Well, if you're the underdog, you can fly under the radar until the tournament is over. CDEC at TI5 and OG at TI8 come to mind.
On March 25 2019 07:12 Taf the Ghost wrote:
I think Lycan was a bad choice. VG is a hard patch team (as this is core Rotk strategy), but they're hitting their strategy hard. OG won a good number of Majors taking this approach, though in a different flavor.
On March 25 2019 07:13 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Congrats to VG. And a really good adaptation by stealing Secret's Venge strategy as it went on.
woah what an amount of salt...
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Congrats to VG, well deserved as the best team in the tournament
felt extra sweet after they lost so many Grand finals
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On March 25 2019 14:04 Vertical wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2019 08:28 VvvV1251 wrote:
One of the worst games per day distribution in the history of dota as a full time 9 to 6 office worker I enjoyed the relax scheduling. although Saturday 4 games vs. Sunday 2 games, on bracket distribution it makes sense, but in practical feels weird.
As an Asian watcher I can see how it was good. They ran the games in the middle of the day (during work hours) EU time until the final 3 days. The second day live wasn't that fun for anybody that came in the morning for the first games as well.
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Papua New Guinea504 Posts
VP experienced the same thing as what LGD experienced for TI8. End of 4th game and the whole 5th is a disaster for lower bracket winner especially if they won 2-1 at lower bracket final. They kind of exhausted and loss concentration for the game.
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Papua New Guinea504 Posts
Why is VP given up so easily in game 5?
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On March 26 2019 19:33 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Why is VP given up so easily in game 5?
Because they were already dead.
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Papua New Guinea504 Posts
On March 27 2019 00:11 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2019 19:33 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Why is VP given up so easily in game 5? Because they were already dead.
Usually the 5th games, they will play until the throne is really down with 0HP. This time they are only down with midlane and top lane, they still have bottom lane to defend. Never know until last second.
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