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Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
August 05 2015 00:24 GMT
#3861
On August 05 2015 09:22 lolnoty wrote:
China vs Azarkon is the story of this TI

LOLZ
Getting too old for this..
Reson
Profile Joined July 2014
530 Posts
August 05 2015 00:24 GMT
#3862
On August 05 2015 09:15 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 09:14 uriel- wrote:
On August 05 2015 09:09 Azarkon wrote:
Well, Secret allowed them to get three teams in the first six. Hope our American boys don't do the same. Fuck Secret though, why did play so bad today?



They are not very good compared to Ehome as the games obviously showed

Come on you are a big boy you can analyze this much at least

Let's forget 3 months of dota following a bo3.


Secret may still not have fully improved their ability to overcome losses. It's a team chemistry thing. They have respect for each other but when adversity strikes the cracks in their team chemistry affects their performance. They are like a bunch of skilled friends that are chill with each other but not the best of friends. This is similar to DK with key differences such as Secret are probably closer as friends but DK lived together for a year so the bond is different.

The other route is to go the EG route which is straight professional and have a strong structural hierachy. I think EG is the strongest team when it comes to bouncing back from defeat.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
August 05 2015 00:24 GMT
#3863
On August 05 2015 09:23 blobrus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 09:21 Kommander wrote:
I know why Secret lost, it was because of that goof Arteezy wearing shades indoor like he was some kind of cool kid, karma is a bitch.

But seriously, Secret looked like an NA level team next to EHOME. s4's drafts were complete shit too.


I think you need to rethink that last analogy. It's very clear from this tournament that Europe lags far behind NA.

Americans are so cute.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Kasto
Profile Joined May 2010
473 Posts
August 05 2015 00:24 GMT
#3864
On August 05 2015 09:23 Zea! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 09:19 Seraphic wrote:
The only real thing I'm worried for Secret is, they will continue to draft the same way. I mean hell, they drafted the same way for how long now?


Well, if they keep s4 drafting, i don't think they'll change a lot. It's his weakness in drafts, he's kinda stubborn in picking things out of the comfort zone. Puppey is more likely to get non-conventional picks but the team kinda sucked when he was the drafter, so i think that they're kinda fucked, they were unlucky that TI5 came now, they played too many tournaments and opponents had enough time to understand them.

Don't think that holds too true, Puppey was just as stubborn in DAC
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
August 05 2015 00:24 GMT
#3865
On August 05 2015 09:23 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 09:22 Nocticate wrote:
On August 05 2015 09:21 Azarkon wrote:
On August 05 2015 09:20 Nocticate wrote:
On August 05 2015 09:18 Azarkon wrote:
Secret does have their own PPD; but they didn't use them the first game and then lost their mind the second game.

what happened to this, bud?
On August 05 2015 09:04 Azarkon wrote:
This secures what again? Shit does it secure two Chinese teams in the first three?

Fuck I'm out for the night.



I'm going to do it but thought I'd stick around for a few minutes to not look as though I disappear when Western teams lose.

you need to learn how to take an L

He needs to ask Tige... pardon me, Tyga.

yeah definitely take the tyga route of persevering through a long string of losses
the alternative is the meek route where you keep trying to fight when everyone knows you're already out of the fight
Chairman Mao tells us imperialist Dota is a paper tiger
Eetee
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore373 Posts
August 05 2015 00:25 GMT
#3866
well well well, what a disappointment to the western fan bois, so much for the anticipated team secret vs eg grand finals, they might not even get the chance to meet
EeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeTTeeeeeeeeeeee!
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
August 05 2015 00:25 GMT
#3867
On August 05 2015 09:24 lolnoty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 09:23 Stalemilk wrote:
On August 05 2015 09:14 overt wrote:
On August 05 2015 09:13 SkelA wrote:
Secret draft in both games was really shit. Outdrafted and outplayed.


They've let Puppey and zai draft, now S4 messed it up. Will they have Kuro or RTZ draft next tournament?


If they don't win this TI, they are disbanding.

I'm pretty sure if they win this TI they are also disbanding


We should make bets on which teams wont disband. My guess is EHOME and CDEC.
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Vankuga
Profile Joined April 2012
Panama2005 Posts
August 05 2015 00:25 GMT
#3868
It shows so much what rOtk said that they studied Secret.

On August 05 2015 09:19 Seraphic wrote:
The only real thing I'm worried for Secret is, they will continue to draft the same way. I mean hell, they drafted the same way for how long now?


If this isn't a wake up call for Secret to bring their A game and change their drafts, then they will go out soon. I dont see them losing to iG (tho its a possibility with the type of game they did today) but if they keep like this, then gg for them.

They have to learn to adapt, not repeat another DAC.
Vankuga
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
August 05 2015 00:25 GMT
#3869
On August 05 2015 09:23 blobrus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 09:21 Kommander wrote:
I know why Secret lost, it was because of that goof Arteezy wearing shades indoor like he was some kind of cool kid, karma is a bitch.

But seriously, Secret looked like an NA level team next to EHOME. s4's drafts were complete shit too.


I think you need to rethink that last analogy. It's very clear from this tournament that Europe lags far behind NA.

when people make fun of nadoto, eg never counts as na
posting on liquid sites in current year
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
August 05 2015 00:25 GMT
#3870
On August 05 2015 09:23 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 09:22 Azarkon wrote:
On August 05 2015 09:21 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 05 2015 09:21 Azarkon wrote:
On August 05 2015 09:20 Nocticate wrote:
On August 05 2015 09:18 Azarkon wrote:
Secret does have their own PPD; but they didn't use them the first game and then lost their mind the second game.

what happened to this, bud?
On August 05 2015 09:04 Azarkon wrote:
This secures what again? Shit does it secure two Chinese teams in the first three?

Fuck I'm out for the night.



I'm going to do it but thought I'd stick around for a few minutes to not look as though I disappear when Western teams lose.

But that's what you do every time anyways, what there is to talk about.


No I don't. I didn't when any Western team lost this tournament.


relax, it doesn't secure china 2/3


Hope so. In any case, I have to eat, and I'm not too into the next games. See you guys later.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
August 05 2015 00:26 GMT
#3871
On August 05 2015 09:22 Super_Style wrote:
3 games secret lost in the group stage were with s4 mid getting shitstomped by opponents mid laner who went on to have over 15 kills in all 3 games. Bad call putting him mid in an important match, best he can do is play qop safe lane and hit a couple of ulties.

Also true, S4 got massively outclassed by Cty, not only that, his sf play in general looked really bad.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
August 05 2015 00:26 GMT
#3872
On August 05 2015 09:25 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 09:24 lolnoty wrote:
On August 05 2015 09:23 Stalemilk wrote:
On August 05 2015 09:14 overt wrote:
On August 05 2015 09:13 SkelA wrote:
Secret draft in both games was really shit. Outdrafted and outplayed.


They've let Puppey and zai draft, now S4 messed it up. Will they have Kuro or RTZ draft next tournament?


If they don't win this TI, they are disbanding.

I'm pretty sure if they win this TI they are also disbanding


We should make bets on which teams wont disband. My guess is EHOME and CDEC.


I don't even fuck with Chinese teams because 90% of their players "retire" for 2 months
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
Stalemilk
Profile Joined August 2012
204 Posts
August 05 2015 00:26 GMT
#3873
On August 05 2015 09:25 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 09:24 lolnoty wrote:
On August 05 2015 09:23 Stalemilk wrote:
On August 05 2015 09:14 overt wrote:
On August 05 2015 09:13 SkelA wrote:
Secret draft in both games was really shit. Outdrafted and outplayed.


They've let Puppey and zai draft, now S4 messed it up. Will they have Kuro or RTZ draft next tournament?


If they don't win this TI, they are disbanding.

I'm pretty sure if they win this TI they are also disbanding


We should make bets on which teams wont disband. My guess is EHOME and CDEC.


I think the bigger orgs might poach some of the stars from Ehome and CDEC...
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
August 05 2015 00:26 GMT
#3874
On August 05 2015 09:23 Stalemilk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 09:14 overt wrote:
On August 05 2015 09:13 SkelA wrote:
Secret draft in both games was really shit. Outdrafted and outplayed.


They've let Puppey and zai draft, now S4 messed it up. Will they have Kuro or RTZ draft next tournament?


If they don't win this TI, they are disbanding.

Nah. RTZ and Zai will take off and they will pick up some of the many free agents.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 05 2015 00:26 GMT
#3875
On August 05 2015 09:24 Danzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 09:22 lolnoty wrote:
China vs Azarkon is the story of this TI

LOLZ

It's really the story of every TI apparently.
kiss kiss fall in love
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 00:27:30
August 05 2015 00:27 GMT
#3876
On August 05 2015 09:22 lolnoty wrote:
China vs Azarkon is the story of this TI

This is the story of every TI.

eta: beaten by a few secs. D:
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42412 Posts
August 05 2015 00:27 GMT
#3877
Okay, after a tough loss as an Secret fan, i guess i have to come up with an excuse.

Secret lost because they didn't want to face EG so early. They are also counting on only facing LGD before Grand Finals. Easier ride to the final and to the bigger bucks!
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 00:27:56
August 05 2015 00:27 GMT
#3878
Hopefully the bigger orgs learn their lesson and actually take a gamble on new talent. VG and IG specifically.
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Reson
Profile Joined July 2014
530 Posts
August 05 2015 00:27 GMT
#3879
On August 05 2015 09:24 Danzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 09:22 lolnoty wrote:
China vs Azarkon is the story of this TI

LOLZ


That Azarkon guy just makes shit up. There's nothing wrong with having a personal bias but I hope for his sake that he is just trolling for fun.

"How do you know IG didn't practice?"
"I read twitch chat..."
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
August 05 2015 00:27 GMT
#3880
*insert wide-sweeping generalization about secret's potential and overall performance based on the result of a single bo3*

wow i'm so smart and clever
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