EPTAlthough I agreed they are playing like trash now like some Tier2-3 team, I suspect they are slacking VERY VERY HARD now.( Too much MMOs and RPG I guess)
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
Although I agreed they are playing like trash now like some Tier2-3 team, I suspect they are slacking VERY VERY HARD now.( Too much MMOs and RPG I guess) | ||
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Vansetsu
United States1454 Posts
On February 01 2015 01:47 Vansetsu wrote: I disagree. While there is the idea of a *reigning champion", it's not like MMA or somthing where the "title" is directly contested over. Everyone has to earn their spot each year. If you stop caring or w/e after the year you won, I would hope you didn't get an invite for novelty's sake. Just my 2 cents. To add to that, I would even go as far to say as it's unhealthy for the scene to allow an invite because of it. Say ti5 or ti6 has a 25 million prize pool. Pretty soon the possibility of teams just taking the money and running becomes very real, and talent just starts disappearing. Newbee is an amazingly talented team, absolutley capable of playing much better than they are even with some moderate effort IMO. If they just loose the will to practice because of money or w/e the reason is, then I don't think that should be rewarded or encouraged. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On February 01 2015 01:56 Salazarz wrote: Obviously if someone disagrees with you they are blind fanboys and / or blind haters. What else is new who are you responding to? i control-f'd "blind" for the last 2 pages and got nothing. | ||
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hfglgg
Germany5372 Posts
On February 01 2015 01:56 Salazarz wrote: Obviously if someone disagrees with you they are blind fanboys and / or blind haters. What else is new you just dont have any arguments beside fanboying a name. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On February 01 2015 01:58 hfglgg wrote: you just dont have any arguments beside fanboying a name. Yup, I never watch any dota games nor follow any tournaments and can't have an opinion as to how strong teams are. You got me! | ||
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goody153
44313 Posts
On February 01 2015 01:57 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: who are you responding to? i control-f'd "blind" for the last 2 pages and got nothing. me he's responding to me he think that na'vi doing 4-3 this DAC group automatically makes them better for empire who is dominating the west with the absence of Secret/C9/EG for a longer time and more consistent manner | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On February 01 2015 01:53 FakeDeath wrote: Typical Azarkon. Although I agreed they are playing like trash now like some Tier2-3 team, I suspect they are slacking VERY VERY HARD now.( Too much MMOs and RPG I guess) Were they slacking harder than Big Gods, a bunch of retirees managing their online shops and playing pub stacks? That's what makes it difficult to understand. Players who've played Dota for ages don't just get this bad this fast. Newbee wasn't practicing but they were attending tournaments and doing pretty well in them. Listening to Arteezy's life blog, EG also didn't practice for a while after TI 4 - according to them of course - but 1-2 weeks of tryhard and all of the players were back in form. I have a feeling Newbee has deeper issues than just 'we were playing RPGs.' | ||
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goody153
44313 Posts
On February 01 2015 02:01 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: think na'vis on an upswing (i mean they did look way stronger than PR in the wildcards), but maybe we can discuss their relative position, idk, after DAC? or maybe after 1 more minor lan sure after DAC + 1 lan(minor or major) should probably make it clear where they belong .. but for the recent happenings if you start comparing to empire/VPP both teams are just better | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
feels like all the retirement posturing was just to escape contracts, which i can sympathize with (honestly these contracts dont seem to line up well at all with when players feel like they want to reshuffle / play on different teams, and they should. whats even the point of these aside from preventing too-frequent poaching?) | ||
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beifru
2164 Posts
On February 01 2015 02:01 Azarkon wrote: Were they slacking harder than Big Gods, a bunch of retirees managing their online shops and playing pub stacks? That's what makes it difficult to understand. Players who've played Dota for ages don't just get this bad this fast. Newbee wasn't practicing but they were attending tournaments and doing pretty well in them. Listening to Arteezy's life blog, EG also didn't practice for a while after TI 4 - according to them of course - but 1-2 weeks of tryhard and all of the players are back in form. I have a feeling Newbee has deeper issues than just 'we were playing RPGs.' No one is doubting that Newbee has issues man. But that doesn't discredit their TI4 victory. To say that Newbee won TI4 was a one-time fluke is one thing. To say Newbee is sucking now is another. Also, Newbee lost both Xiao8 and Mikasa who were the brains behind the team. Its not a fair comparison. | ||
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
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hfglgg
Germany5372 Posts
On February 01 2015 02:00 Salazarz wrote: Yup, I never watch any dota games nor follow any tournaments and can't have an opinion as to how strong teams are. You got me! if you think that a teams which biggest achievment with its current roster is a shared 5th place at a starladder with no t1 teams in it is worthy of an ti5 invite, then you are clearly delusional. | ||
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Harrason
70 Posts
"From a monetary standpoint, there's absolutely no reason to train hard for the entire year if you can get an entire year's worth of training in just 2 months. To get as much as a million USD as an individual every single year(and I bet this year it's going to be even higher), I wouldn't care less what my haters say. I will slack as much as I want, and I wouldn't give a shit about anything except TI. Obviously, I need to discuss that with my team, but if my team's okay with it(as is evident with their attitudes), then I am going to holiday till TI. If I fuck up as a result, shame on me then. I still wouldn't trade it for valuable time that I have to spend in order to work, because money is 'easy' now." | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
well i mean the public perception was more about the endearment of the players, but the vibe was there actually i doubt the above post actually accurately depicts their logic, think the newbee roster might just be burnt out on dota and feel like playing other shit, but dota is their "career" idk. im rambling | ||
opterown
Australia54785 Posts
On February 01 2015 02:09 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: yea that kind of thinking around money was why DK, EG, and VG were the heroes and newbee was the villain of TI4; the former 3 just seem to be more hungry to prove their worth at dota, doesn't feel like money factors in that much for them well i mean the public perception was more about the endearment of the players, but the vibe was there eh i don't think newbee were all about the money for TI4 at all | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On February 01 2015 02:08 Harrason wrote: Look, to those people who says Newbee doesn't deserve an invite, if I were to think from their point of view, this is what I would think: "From a monetary standpoint, there's absolutely no reason to train hard for the entire year if you can get an entire year's worth of training in just 2 months. To get as much as a million USD as an individual every single year(and I bet this year it's going to be even higher), I wouldn't care less what my haters say. I will slack as much as I want, and I wouldn't give a shit about anything except TI. Obviously, I need to discuss that with my team, but if my team's okay with it(as is evident with their attitudes), then I am going to holiday till TI. If I fuck up as a result, shame on me then. I still wouldn't trade it for valuable time that I have to spend in order to work, because money is 'easy' now." Good luck getting 5 millions every TI just by starting to practice a couple of months before it. | ||
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