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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
January 31 2015 16:45 GMT
#1561
Newbee is basically the MUFC of DAC. The 1-14? loss is going to make people think their TI 4 win was a total fluke.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
January 31 2015 16:46 GMT
#1562
Navi right now is still around the same place as VPP, etc. They need a very good result to change that.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
January 31 2015 16:46 GMT
#1563
On February 01 2015 01:45 Azarkon wrote:
Newbee is basically the MUFC of DAC. The 1-14? loss is going to make people think their TI 4 win was a total fluke.

stupidest thing i've heard thus year
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44313 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 16:48:23
January 31 2015 16:47 GMT
#1564
On February 01 2015 01:45 Azarkon wrote:
Newbee is basically the MUFC of DAC. The 1-14? loss is going to make people think their TI 4 win was a total fluke.

no way TI4 was a fluke even i wanted EG/C9/alliance(lol) to win more than them but they played better than everyone every b03 they got .. so they definitely deserve it

although i think VG could have won TI4 probably
this is a quote
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
January 31 2015 16:47 GMT
#1565
On February 01 2015 01:46 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 01:45 Azarkon wrote:
Newbee is basically the MUFC of DAC. The 1-14? loss is going to make people think their TI 4 win was a total fluke.

stupidest thing i've heard thus year

A-GOD
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Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
January 31 2015 16:47 GMT
#1566
On February 01 2015 01:44 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 01:42 Vansetsu wrote:
On February 01 2015 01:35 SKC wrote:
On February 01 2015 01:33 opterown wrote:
it wasn't that long ago that talks were made of not inviting iG, alliance, or na`vi either lol

Navi absolutelly not, they were by far the best western team in TI2. It's obviously not lifetime invites, just the current champion. Even Alliance and iG werent in that bad of a state after their wins.

Not inviting any of these teams now also clearly makes sense, specially Alliance.


Yea, I'm really just saying Newbee specifically as reigning champs, if they would still get the invite or not, if they kept this form.

If they for whatever reason decide to not practice, play, or take the game seriously, all while not disbanding and putting up terrible results, I would be honestly upset if a much more deserving team would get looked over based on the fact that they cared before they won TI4

Champions deserve an invite, they won it.


I disagree. While there is the idea of a *reigning champion", it's not like MMA or somthing where the "title" is directly contested over. Everyone has to earn their spot each year. If you stop caring or w/e after the year you won, I would hope you didn't get an invite for novelty's sake. Just my 2 cents.
Only by overcoming many obstacles does a river become - デイヴィ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ド
beifru
Profile Joined November 2013
2164 Posts
January 31 2015 16:47 GMT
#1567
On February 01 2015 01:45 Azarkon wrote:
Newbee is basically the MUFC of DAC. The 1-14? loss is going to make people think their TI 4 win was a total fluke.


Their DAC performance does not discredit their TI4 win... It does not work retrospective like that.
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
January 31 2015 16:47 GMT
#1568
On February 01 2015 01:45 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 01:42 Salazarz wrote:
On February 01 2015 01:34 Kipsate wrote:
And unless Na`Vi place high here at this tournament I wouldn't invite them.


There are very few Western teams that would be more 'deserving' of an invite even assuming Na'Vi drops out of DAC in a 8-12 position, though. You've got EG, TS and..... C9? VPP? Empire? Even those 'top' teams are huge question marks, nevermind something like TT, 4ASC or whatever. Assuming Na'Vi keeps their current form, without getting much better but also not regressing too much, I can't really see them not getting a direct invite tbh.

they won 4 matches on DAC which are all b01 and lost the first 3 hard .. they don't look solid as shit like Secret and EG performed

they are not getting an invite unless they do better the next few tournaments and at least place well this DAC .. Empire is definitely better


What have Empire achieved to be considered 'definitely better'? They haven't played against anyone but second echelon teams in ages, and it's not like they are stomping the said second echelon teams cleanly either...
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
January 31 2015 16:48 GMT
#1569
On February 01 2015 01:46 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 01:45 Azarkon wrote:
Newbee is basically the MUFC of DAC. The 1-14? loss is going to make people think their TI 4 win was a total fluke.

stupidest thing i've heard thus year


It's already widespread on Reddit. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with it, but that's how this level of failure works. Even Alliance didn't crumble this hard.
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
January 31 2015 16:49 GMT
#1570
On February 01 2015 01:45 hfglgg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 01:42 Salazarz wrote:
On February 01 2015 01:34 Kipsate wrote:
And unless Na`Vi place high here at this tournament I wouldn't invite them.


There are very few Western teams that would be more 'deserving' of an invite even assuming Na'Vi drops out of DAC in a 8-12 position, though. You've got EG, TS and..... C9? VPP? Empire? Even those 'top' teams are huge question marks, nevermind something like TT, 4ASC or whatever. Assuming Na'Vi keeps their current form, without getting much better but also not regressing too much, I can't really see them not getting a direct invite tbh.


navi has the same question mark above their heads. this is the first time they really do play convincing. for all other tournaments in the past since their recent reshuffle they either not qualified or dropped out early. as of right now i would easily place empire, vpp and pr all above navi.


PR should win at least one series on LAN before getting invited anywhere, seriously. VPP and Empire are pretty close with Na'Vi but it's kind of a tossup and DAC is a pretty big thing for Na'Vi to show themselves. And it's not like there are only 3 Western invites to TI.
Thetwinmasters
Profile Joined January 2015
3578 Posts
January 31 2015 16:49 GMT
#1571
Jesus warlock just got a million gold
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
January 31 2015 16:50 GMT
#1572
On February 01 2015 01:48 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 01:46 opterown wrote:
On February 01 2015 01:45 Azarkon wrote:
Newbee is basically the MUFC of DAC. The 1-14? loss is going to make people think their TI 4 win was a total fluke.

stupidest thing i've heard thus year


It's already widespread on Reddit. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with it, but that's how this level of failure works. Even Alliance didn't crumble this hard.

don't think so mate there has to be something seriously wrong with you if you think the top placing chinese team at two internationals fluked their way to $5 mil
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44313 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 16:51:14
January 31 2015 16:50 GMT
#1573
On February 01 2015 01:47 Salazarz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 01:45 goody153 wrote:
On February 01 2015 01:42 Salazarz wrote:
On February 01 2015 01:34 Kipsate wrote:
And unless Na`Vi place high here at this tournament I wouldn't invite them.


There are very few Western teams that would be more 'deserving' of an invite even assuming Na'Vi drops out of DAC in a 8-12 position, though. You've got EG, TS and..... C9? VPP? Empire? Even those 'top' teams are huge question marks, nevermind something like TT, 4ASC or whatever. Assuming Na'Vi keeps their current form, without getting much better but also not regressing too much, I can't really see them not getting a direct invite tbh.

they won 4 matches on DAC which are all b01 and lost the first 3 hard .. they don't look solid as shit like Secret and EG performed

they are not getting an invite unless they do better the next few tournaments and at least place well this DAC .. Empire is definitely better


What have Empire achieved to be considered 'definitely better'? They haven't played against anyone but second echelon teams in ages, and it's not like they are stomping the said second echelon teams cleanly either...

did you watch empire's games before DAC qualifiers ? have you seen empire's games after DAC qualifiers ?

empire is better if you did .. or are you just so biased for na'vi that you are planning to overlook how solid empire is in the west just because na'vi won 4 b01 matches during this group stages ?

also na'vi can't win consistently against T2 teams .. empire did
this is a quote
hfglgg
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany5372 Posts
January 31 2015 16:51 GMT
#1574
On February 01 2015 01:49 Salazarz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 01:45 hfglgg wrote:
On February 01 2015 01:42 Salazarz wrote:
On February 01 2015 01:34 Kipsate wrote:
And unless Na`Vi place high here at this tournament I wouldn't invite them.


There are very few Western teams that would be more 'deserving' of an invite even assuming Na'Vi drops out of DAC in a 8-12 position, though. You've got EG, TS and..... C9? VPP? Empire? Even those 'top' teams are huge question marks, nevermind something like TT, 4ASC or whatever. Assuming Na'Vi keeps their current form, without getting much better but also not regressing too much, I can't really see them not getting a direct invite tbh.


navi has the same question mark above their heads. this is the first time they really do play convincing. for all other tournaments in the past since their recent reshuffle they either not qualified or dropped out early. as of right now i would easily place empire, vpp and pr all above navi.


PR should win at least one series on LAN before getting invited anywhere, seriously. VPP and Empire are pretty close with Na'Vi but it's kind of a tossup and DAC is a pretty big thing for Na'Vi to show themselves. And it's not like there are only 3 Western invites to TI.


and that empire and vpp are "close with navi" you are concluding from one tournament.
its a huge upset that navi made it to dac and an even greater one that they are not dropping out bottom 4 in dac. a teams strength is not defined by one out of the ordinary performance.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13092 Posts
January 31 2015 16:51 GMT
#1575
How do you get your rock stolen while you stun the rubick in the first place with it.

Rubick steals it 5 seconds after he casted it in the secret shop area. Just terrible play by march.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
January 31 2015 16:51 GMT
#1576
i would tentatively place VPP and Empire both above Na`Vi atm
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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Thetwinmasters
Profile Joined January 2015
3578 Posts
January 31 2015 16:52 GMT
#1577
I think navi just lost
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
January 31 2015 16:53 GMT
#1578
On February 01 2015 01:52 Thetwinmasters wrote:
I think navi just lost


They're still comfortably ahead
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
January 31 2015 16:53 GMT
#1579
They can push now, its far from lost
beifru
Profile Joined November 2013
2164 Posts
January 31 2015 16:53 GMT
#1580
Still not convinced that MVP can win this game.
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