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Whether Newbee is going to shape up after CNY, it still doesn't explain why they're doing this terribly at DAC. Alliance after TI 3 made it into consecutive tournament finals. iG after TI 3 won the biggest Chinese tournament. Even Newbee won WCA 2 months after TI 4. They were a favorite for this tournament because despite slacking off, they still ended up winning a larger % of the tournaments in China than every other team.
Yet this tournament, they're looking to be a literally bottom of the barrel team, losing to MVP, the other bottom 2 team, and every other team that's decided that whacking the TI 4 champs is fun and great for morale.
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Australia54785 Posts
On February 01 2015 02:18 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 02:17 opterown wrote:On February 01 2015 02:15 cecek wrote:On February 01 2015 02:12 Harrason wrote:On February 01 2015 02:09 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
yea that kind of thinking around money was why DK, EG, and VG were the heroes and newbee was the villain of TI4; the former 3 just seem to be more hungry to prove their worth at dota, doesn't feel like money factors in that much for them I personally think that it's also the same reason why every single champion (except Navi, I don't really know their post-TI1 history) slumped at least a little bit. And I think this factor gets bigger and bigger with the rising prize pool. Seems to me like a trend. Post TI1 Na'Vi won literally everything. They slumped hardcore, they sometimes even played with standins, but still totally walked over everybody. i know this is said over and over again but the competition back then wasn't quite as cuttthroat as it is now Noone is talking about competition. Navi certainly didn't show the lack of motivation from winning a lot of money, even after 3 finals in TIs.
they might have, it's just that it didn't show in tournaments since their competition was just worse and they just purely outskilled them to begin with perhaps. i mean that seems to be what happened with newbee post-TI4 until now, they won 4 tourneys without practicing and it's only now that it's biting them hard
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On February 01 2015 02:19 cecek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 02:17 opterown wrote:On February 01 2015 02:15 cecek wrote:On February 01 2015 02:12 Harrason wrote:On February 01 2015 02:09 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
yea that kind of thinking around money was why DK, EG, and VG were the heroes and newbee was the villain of TI4; the former 3 just seem to be more hungry to prove their worth at dota, doesn't feel like money factors in that much for them I personally think that it's also the same reason why every single champion (except Navi, I don't really know their post-TI1 history) slumped at least a little bit. And I think this factor gets bigger and bigger with the rising prize pool. Seems to me like a trend. Post TI1 Na'Vi won literally everything. They slumped hardcore, they sometimes even played with standins, but still totally walked over everybody. i know this is said over and over again but the competition back then wasn't quite as cuttthroat as it is now Oh yeah, totally. Doesn't change the fact that Na'Vi were in a league of their own during and after TI1.
dunno if this is even the whole picture because if i'm correct, this was before a lot of the big chinese pros made the switch to dota 2...
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On February 01 2015 02:13 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 02:06 hfglgg wrote:On February 01 2015 02:00 Salazarz wrote:On February 01 2015 01:58 hfglgg wrote:On February 01 2015 01:56 Salazarz wrote:
Obviously if someone disagrees with you they are blind fanboys and / or blind haters. What else is new you just dont have any arguments beside fanboying a name. Yup, I never watch any dota games nor follow any tournaments and can't have an opinion as to how strong teams are. You got me! if you think that a teams which biggest achievment with its current roster is a shared 5th place at a starladder with no t1 teams in it is worthy of an ti5 invite, then you are clearly delusional. Yeah, because there are so many Western teams with consistently better results this season. Like VPP, they have so many big wins and do so well in series against top teams all the time, right?
empire and vpp do consistently better than navi in tournaments where all participate. both topped them in starladder and vpp in the summit and the xms captains draft (if you want to count that). in all other tournaments navi didnt even participated, but empire and vpp both had great showings in dreamleague and d2l.
if you want to be precise, navi did not even qualifier regularly for any lans since esl new york as they finished the starladder qualifier as 7th.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
That doesn't change the fact that Na`Vi crushed everyone after TI1, there were no international tournaments after TI1 either.
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On February 01 2015 02:20 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 02:18 SKC wrote:On February 01 2015 02:17 opterown wrote:On February 01 2015 02:15 cecek wrote:On February 01 2015 02:12 Harrason wrote:On February 01 2015 02:09 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
yea that kind of thinking around money was why DK, EG, and VG were the heroes and newbee was the villain of TI4; the former 3 just seem to be more hungry to prove their worth at dota, doesn't feel like money factors in that much for them I personally think that it's also the same reason why every single champion (except Navi, I don't really know their post-TI1 history) slumped at least a little bit. And I think this factor gets bigger and bigger with the rising prize pool. Seems to me like a trend. Post TI1 Na'Vi won literally everything. They slumped hardcore, they sometimes even played with standins, but still totally walked over everybody. i know this is said over and over again but the competition back then wasn't quite as cuttthroat as it is now Noone is talking about competition. Navi certainly didn't show the lack of motivation from winning a lot of money, even after 3 finals in TIs. they might have, it's just that it didn't show in tournaments since their competition was just worse and they just purely outskilled them to begin with perhaps. i mean that seems to be what happened with newbee post-TI4 until now, they won 4 tourneys without practicing and it's only now that it's biting them hard
The diference in skill level is like comparing Secreto to HR in this tournament. Newbee is in another tier below it. If they had a similar drop in performance they would not be winning everything.
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On February 01 2015 02:19 cecek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 02:17 opterown wrote:On February 01 2015 02:15 cecek wrote:On February 01 2015 02:12 Harrason wrote:On February 01 2015 02:09 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
yea that kind of thinking around money was why DK, EG, and VG were the heroes and newbee was the villain of TI4; the former 3 just seem to be more hungry to prove their worth at dota, doesn't feel like money factors in that much for them I personally think that it's also the same reason why every single champion (except Navi, I don't really know their post-TI1 history) slumped at least a little bit. And I think this factor gets bigger and bigger with the rising prize pool. Seems to me like a trend. Post TI1 Na'Vi won literally everything. They slumped hardcore, they sometimes even played with standins, but still totally walked over everybody. i know this is said over and over again but the competition back then wasn't quite as cuttthroat as it is now Oh yeah, totally. Doesn't change the fact that Na'Vi were in a league of their own during and after TI1.
pretty much. and after both TI1 and TI2 they still had to make roster changes
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Excited to watch all these games I missed while sleeping.
Finding Replay though...
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On February 01 2015 02:24 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 02:19 cecek wrote:On February 01 2015 02:17 opterown wrote:On February 01 2015 02:15 cecek wrote:On February 01 2015 02:12 Harrason wrote:On February 01 2015 02:09 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
yea that kind of thinking around money was why DK, EG, and VG were the heroes and newbee was the villain of TI4; the former 3 just seem to be more hungry to prove their worth at dota, doesn't feel like money factors in that much for them I personally think that it's also the same reason why every single champion (except Navi, I don't really know their post-TI1 history) slumped at least a little bit. And I think this factor gets bigger and bigger with the rising prize pool. Seems to me like a trend. Post TI1 Na'Vi won literally everything. They slumped hardcore, they sometimes even played with standins, but still totally walked over everybody. i know this is said over and over again but the competition back then wasn't quite as cuttthroat as it is now Oh yeah, totally. Doesn't change the fact that Na'Vi were in a league of their own during and after TI1. pretty much. and after both TI1 and TI2 they still had to make roster changes
And they won pretty much every single tournament after TI3 except 1 Starladder
and in TI4 when everyone was saying how much better was Alliance, Empire, Fnatic and even Mouse than NaVi, yet only 1 of them got into the main stage
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On February 01 2015 02:26 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 02:24 rabidch wrote:On February 01 2015 02:19 cecek wrote:On February 01 2015 02:17 opterown wrote:On February 01 2015 02:15 cecek wrote:On February 01 2015 02:12 Harrason wrote:On February 01 2015 02:09 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
yea that kind of thinking around money was why DK, EG, and VG were the heroes and newbee was the villain of TI4; the former 3 just seem to be more hungry to prove their worth at dota, doesn't feel like money factors in that much for them I personally think that it's also the same reason why every single champion (except Navi, I don't really know their post-TI1 history) slumped at least a little bit. And I think this factor gets bigger and bigger with the rising prize pool. Seems to me like a trend. Post TI1 Na'Vi won literally everything. They slumped hardcore, they sometimes even played with standins, but still totally walked over everybody. i know this is said over and over again but the competition back then wasn't quite as cuttthroat as it is now Oh yeah, totally. Doesn't change the fact that Na'Vi were in a league of their own during and after TI1. pretty much. and after both TI1 and TI2 they still had to make roster changes And they won pretty much every single tournament after TI3 except 1 Starladder and in TI4 when everyone was saying how much better was Alliance, Empire, Fnatic and even Mouse than NaVi, yet only 1 of them got into the main stage
When did you change your tag to Secret?
Since PPY/KKY left? 
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On February 01 2015 02:26 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 02:24 rabidch wrote:On February 01 2015 02:19 cecek wrote:On February 01 2015 02:17 opterown wrote:On February 01 2015 02:15 cecek wrote:On February 01 2015 02:12 Harrason wrote:On February 01 2015 02:09 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
yea that kind of thinking around money was why DK, EG, and VG were the heroes and newbee was the villain of TI4; the former 3 just seem to be more hungry to prove their worth at dota, doesn't feel like money factors in that much for them I personally think that it's also the same reason why every single champion (except Navi, I don't really know their post-TI1 history) slumped at least a little bit. And I think this factor gets bigger and bigger with the rising prize pool. Seems to me like a trend. Post TI1 Na'Vi won literally everything. They slumped hardcore, they sometimes even played with standins, but still totally walked over everybody. i know this is said over and over again but the competition back then wasn't quite as cuttthroat as it is now Oh yeah, totally. Doesn't change the fact that Na'Vi were in a league of their own during and after TI1. pretty much. and after both TI1 and TI2 they still had to make roster changes And they won pretty much every single tournament after TI3 except 1 Starladder and in TI4 when everyone was saying how much better was Alliance, Empire, Fnatic and even Mouse than NaVi, yet only 1 of them got into the main stage
They were better, it's jsut na'vi needs some special conditions to channel their talent, which sometimes disappearv in the mist of low tier tournaments.
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On February 01 2015 02:28 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 02:26 Faruko wrote:On February 01 2015 02:24 rabidch wrote:On February 01 2015 02:19 cecek wrote:On February 01 2015 02:17 opterown wrote:On February 01 2015 02:15 cecek wrote:On February 01 2015 02:12 Harrason wrote:On February 01 2015 02:09 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
yea that kind of thinking around money was why DK, EG, and VG were the heroes and newbee was the villain of TI4; the former 3 just seem to be more hungry to prove their worth at dota, doesn't feel like money factors in that much for them I personally think that it's also the same reason why every single champion (except Navi, I don't really know their post-TI1 history) slumped at least a little bit. And I think this factor gets bigger and bigger with the rising prize pool. Seems to me like a trend. Post TI1 Na'Vi won literally everything. They slumped hardcore, they sometimes even played with standins, but still totally walked over everybody. i know this is said over and over again but the competition back then wasn't quite as cuttthroat as it is now Oh yeah, totally. Doesn't change the fact that Na'Vi were in a league of their own during and after TI1. pretty much. and after both TI1 and TI2 they still had to make roster changes And they won pretty much every single tournament after TI3 except 1 Starladder and in TI4 when everyone was saying how much better was Alliance, Empire, Fnatic and even Mouse than NaVi, yet only 1 of them got into the main stage When did you change your tag to Secret? Since PPY/KKY left?
Its hard to have 2 flags, while i been using the secret for a while, i have been chaging them from time to time (if i dont forget about it thats it rofl)
but yes, i cant forget puppey 
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funn1k's talent is still mostly MIA; i don't consider being able to execute axe from the safelane with a clearly superior draft too convincing and aside from that he's had like 1 solid clinkz game
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On February 01 2015 02:32 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
funn1k's talent is still mostly MIA; i don't consider being able to execute axe from the safelane with a clearly superior draft too convincing and aside from that he's had like 1 solid clinkz game
so sad actually because there was a time when funn1k won almost every navi game single handedly, besides the clinkz one i cant remember another game like that in quite some time
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is he referring to sheever ravage ? lol
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
On February 01 2015 02:22 Kipsate wrote:
That doesn't change the fact that Na`Vi crushed everyone after TI1, there were no international tournaments after TI1 either.
There was ESWC with EHOME and Na'Vi smashed them with Dendi going like 30-1 on Pudge in 20 minutes.
edit: He was 20/1/8 in 23 minutes, I had to check just to be sure. VOD. Also, fuck dota used to be ugly as hell, huh? :D
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United States13143 Posts
alternatively he just likes sheever as a person and wants to hang out with her
but nah he's definitely taunting her about the ravage
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On February 01 2015 03:03 Elyvilon wrote:alternatively he just likes sheever as a person and wants to hang out with her but nah he's definitely taunting her about the ravage
puppey is... quite the ladies man ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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How many rares were lost this DAC? lol
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EPT
