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SleepyDreams
600 Posts
On January 31 2015 17:24 Crusnik wrote: So, seeing as Sunsfan keeps cursing teams, is he the Artosis of Dota? I think he's the Artosis of dota. That's an insult to Artosis. Artosis uses his intellect and knowledge to curse teams. Sunsfan lacks game knowledge and mechanical intellect... I would say Merlini is more like Artosis. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On January 31 2015 17:26 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: because they have a travel time and can miss / be dodged? o m g also i can attest to LoL being very mechanics dependent, no turn time, less windups and lower cooldowns means reaction speed is much more important I remember S4 dodging a point blank concoction from an invis alchemist, they have sick reaction times at the very top. Items are also instant and some abilities are, rubick stealing spells, morph ulti, etc and there are control groups which is a mechanic absent from LoL. Sure mechanics are less predominant but saying top players are equal mechanic wise is a mistake imo. | ||
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beifru
2164 Posts
On January 31 2015 17:30 ref4 wrote: if I recalled there are no illusion-based champions or even items that allow you to generate illusions in LoL (is there?) so you don't have to control multiple characters at once, and I don't think there are heroes where controlling multiple units are required unlike Visage, Chen, Enchantress, Meepo, Invoker etc. You do know that micro in Dota is a joke right? | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On January 31 2015 17:32 Kaj wrote: Secret's drafting to laning is so good vs MVP. They were clearly gonna rotate either puck/lycan to either safe lane or mid solo, depending on who mids. Technically tide wouldve been better mid vs lycan, and void wouldve had an easier time top vs puck. But secret can easily rotate. As a result, void gets destroyed by lycan mid, as lvl 3 wolves + void going mask first with lycan having perfect control of runes with wolves makes it essentially an unwinnable lane once lycan gets lvl 3. Then Tide at best breaks even with puck top. Irregardless of how they laned, there is no chance that wouldve lost that lane. The game winning moment for me was when S4's puck was trying to tp out, and void decided to MoM to try to stop the TP, S4 cancels his tp, phase shifts, silenced. orb and dagoned void to death recognizing the opportunity to kill void when he has mom on. That was like wow. I cant believe nobody talked about it. Really reading too much into a win vs MVP. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On January 31 2015 17:33 TomatoBisque wrote: What about TI2 LGD and TI4 VG and EG? VG & EG did get 2nd and 3rd... Sooo. But honestly, doing good here is a good sign, and statistically, definitely gives you better odds of winning, but it far from makes it certain. Think of SL... The teams that look dominant in qualifiers don't often win, TI4 like you mentioned, VG winning the Summit, etc, etc. | ||
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ref4
2933 Posts
On January 31 2015 17:34 beifru wrote: You do know that micro in Dota is a joke right? fine I admit I am wrong and I am getting off on off track, sorry, and you are absolutely correct. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On January 31 2015 17:34 beifru wrote: You do know that micro in Dota is a joke right? It's like saying shooting is a joke in counter strike compared to quake, no one will deny it's an important part of CS. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On January 31 2015 17:32 Kaj wrote: Irregardless of how they laned, there is no chance that wouldve lost that lane. please don't use "irregardless," it means the same thing as "regardless" and makes me sad inside | ||
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Racket
3023 Posts
On January 31 2015 17:25 ref4 wrote: why are they called skill shots if they have a visual indicator telling you the trajectory path? Wow, you argument is so good I can't even begin to form a thought against it... Man please you are speaking of SC2, a game where, as opposed to SC1, you can select buildings as a group, cast a skill with only one unit when you have a lot of the same type selected, where a unit with a high aoe damage is smart enough to avoid overkill when more than one is in range. SC2 is not anymore a game to show mechanical skills, it is the Nascar of esports, you only see explosions and people hype over the dumbest things. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On January 31 2015 17:36 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: please don't use "irregardless," it means the same thing as "regardless" and makes me sad inside Irregardless of your protestation, it's still a perfectly cromulent word. | ||
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ref4
2933 Posts
On January 31 2015 17:38 Racket wrote: Wow, you argument is so good I can't even begin to form a thought against it... Man please you are speaking of SC2, a game where, as opposed to SC1, you can select buildings as a group, cast a skill with only one unit when you have a lot of the same type selected, where a unit with a high aoe damage is smart enough to avoid overkill when more than one is in range. SC2 is not anymore a game to show mechanical skills, it is the Nascar of esports, you only see explosions and people hype over the dumbest things. wow I even just admited I was wrong about everything, don't have to be so butthurt. | ||
TheEmulator
28104 Posts
On January 31 2015 17:36 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: please don't use "irregardless," it means the same thing as "regardless" and makes me sad inside Thank you sir. Many years ago when I was in grade 9 my English teacher taught me that and it's bugged me since  | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On January 31 2015 17:23 saocyn wrote: yeah anyone who's 5k and under would disagree. this is something you won't comprehend if you have 0 experience in competitive dota. i attest to this statement 100%. this would also explain the flawless transition of zai/rtz into TS In before someone brings up ixmike. No, this doesn't explain the flawless transition of zai/rtz... Using two examples to justify your theory doesn't work. Mechanical skill, while not having as much importance as in BW for example, is still a huge component of the game. And playing a good Naga, Tinker, Meepo, Timber, all are very difficult. Decisions are no doubt very important, but it's not everything. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
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TheEmulator
28104 Posts
On January 31 2015 17:39 trinxified wrote: Yo where's merlini? I thought he's here He is. He was on the panel a few times already. edit: my post count 5555. neato | ||
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
On January 31 2015 17:33 TomatoBisque wrote: What about TI2 LGD and TI4 VG and EG? the reason i don't mention them is, well in comparison to their dominant counter parts despite their dominance, the other one stands out more. i'm not sure exactly how to describe it but, there is one team that always shows they're the overwhelming favorite to win not just on streaks but how they win. TS has essentially eliminated all their potential threats with relative ease, even in the tournaments leading up to this while the others you have listed has always cut the games close. for a lack of a proper analogy, it's like seeing flash play vs seeing yellow play. one team is always going to have that 2nd place curse while the other looks like he was born to take the trophy. the teams you listed had all had a PAST history of falling short of the gold. LGD was always 2nd place to IG, VG was always 2nd to newbee, EG had the potential to take the gold, reshuffle hit them hard. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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beifru
2164 Posts
On January 31 2015 17:36 nojok wrote: It's like saying shooting is a joke in counter strike compared to quake, no one will deny it's an important part of CS. You base your argument upon the fact that Dota needs some sort of micro (on limited heroes) and that in itself makes it more mechanically demanding than LOL. Yet, the fact stands that micro in Dota plays a small part in the overall scheme of things and can be picked up easily. Is it really that hard to group your illusions or send them to creep camps? | ||
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Hydrolisko
Vanuatu1659 Posts
It's simply a matter of conditioning and being in-shape as a team, plus a few intangible factors such as momentum, having nothing to lose etc.. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On January 31 2015 17:32 saocyn wrote: no it has not been the case in TI-history. any team usually on such a monsterous streak generally don't lose in the finals. look at TI-2 with IG, TI-3 with alliance. it is generally a strong indicator of those who have currently fully grasped the meta, at least far more than other teams along with having the best synergy. i highly doubt if ever there will be another newbee redemption story, and even then they were saving their best strats only to get into the grand finals bracket. Ti-2 had LGD going undefeated... and then bombing out to Navi/iG. | ||
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