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On November 02 2014 03:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 03:22 Linwelin wrote: Maybe some people will realise that just because Sing has some bad games (and please don't give him Jakiro ever again) it doesn't make him a terrible player.
Probably not though Players can't go very far if they can't be consistent.
Sure and I'm not saying that Sing is the best player ever but according to some people, just because he occasionally feeds, he should never play in a t1 team ever. Let's not forget that he played very well at TI4 for example and he was one of the main reasons C9 did so well. Even with Team Tinker, he has had very good games too
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On November 02 2014 03:16 Latham wrote: Necrolyte so good. Na'vi has nothing to do in this game.
That's also because they picked a hero that excels in doing nothing, our good friend Outsidian Desvourer.
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OK I don't know if anyone else has this problem but I normally have adblock off for TL and had to turn it on for this DM stream because these constant ads overlaying the sound of the stream are obnoxious beyond belief.
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My issue with sing is that he he only seems to play well from being ahead (as a core, not enough data to judge his support play). If he falls behind in lane/is in a disadvantaged lane (see: most of his recent offlane performances), he really really struggles to find farm at any point in the game, and basically becomes an aimless feed machine.
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Is that word in the centre of the stage "SHARE?"
People keep standing right over the last three letters and it keeps looking like "SHIT".
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People flaming Sing for me is the same who flames Fly with no reason. He sacrifices himself so much for qojqva and Pajkatt to get farm around the map. Except for his Jakiro. He suck as Jakiro.
And I don't know why people say he's not versatile. He can play in any position (as he already did in his career, sup on Kaipi, mid on most of his teams and carry on QPAD) and has a larger hero pool than people give him credit for.
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On November 02 2014 03:27 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 03:16 Latham wrote: Necrolyte so good. Na'vi has nothing to do in this game. That's also because they picked a hero that excels in doing nothing, our good friend Outsidian Desvourer.
I would say a 1 role void is also a Do Nothing hero.
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On November 02 2014 03:27 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 03:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:On November 02 2014 03:22 Linwelin wrote: Maybe some people will realise that just because Sing has some bad games (and please don't give him Jakiro ever again) it doesn't make him a terrible player.
Probably not though Players can't go very far if they can't be consistent. Sure and I'm not saying that Sing is the best player ever but according to some people, just because he occasionally feeds, he should never play in a t1 team ever. Let's not forget that he played very well at TI4 for example and he was one of the main reasons C9 did so well. Even with Team Tinker, he has had very good games too
At TI4, C9 made a conscious effort to pick/ban around heroes Sing was comfortable with. Often times they let Sing take the 1 position farm (meepo games for instance). The main complaint from people is that once Sing isn't winning his lane or getting support, he tends to drop off dramatically
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Is that curly haired guy with the glasses coaching for Team Tinker Chappie? He seems to have a lot of input in their drafts. I thought he was just their manager.
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On November 02 2014 03:25 Spicy_Curry wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 03:22 Linwelin wrote: Maybe some people will realise that just because Sing has some bad games (and please don't give him Jakiro ever again) it doesn't make him a terrible player.
Probably not though Sing is not terrible, but he's not nearly as versatile as you would want your solo mid to be. He also seems to struggle with farming past the laning stage. Does he even play solo mid anymore? Sing's heroes need space. Not a ton of space like qojqva needs, but some space. There's simply not enough space on that team for Pajkatt, Qojqva, and sing. And they can't go around killing as 3 people cause EGM and Bulba likes feeding as well (granted funn1k owned the supports pretty hard) but no one says anyting cause supports are supposed to feed or something. They should just go full EG and start putting sing on heroes like tide or bounty.
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On November 02 2014 03:29 FHDH wrote: OK I don't know if anyone else has this problem but I normally have adblock off for TL and had to turn it on for this DM stream because these constant ads overlaying the sound of the stream are obnoxious beyond belief.
Some of the ads are also seven minutes long. Something about Jamaica or some crap.
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Do we not get to see the draft?
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On November 02 2014 03:31 bagels21 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 03:27 Linwelin wrote:On November 02 2014 03:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:On November 02 2014 03:22 Linwelin wrote: Maybe some people will realise that just because Sing has some bad games (and please don't give him Jakiro ever again) it doesn't make him a terrible player.
Probably not though Players can't go very far if they can't be consistent. Sure and I'm not saying that Sing is the best player ever but according to some people, just because he occasionally feeds, he should never play in a t1 team ever. Let's not forget that he played very well at TI4 for example and he was one of the main reasons C9 did so well. Even with Team Tinker, he has had very good games too At TI4, C9 made a conscious effort to pick/ban around heroes Sing was comfortable with. Often times they let Sing take the 1 position farm (meepo games for instance). The main complaint from people is that once Sing isn't winning his lane or getting support, he tends to drop off dramatically
But I don't really see qojqva or Pajkatt being different in that. Both of them have bad games if they don't farm well.
And it's actually something Sing knows he's quite bad at (comingback in a game). I remember at TI4 HUB pieliedie and him discussing their strenghts and weakness and both mentioned that.
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Dendi od always depresses me. Can't really think of a worse hero for him.
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On November 02 2014 03:34 hifriend wrote: Dendi od always depresses me. Can't really think of a worse hero for him. magnus?
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On November 02 2014 03:35 Count9 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 03:34 hifriend wrote: Dendi od always depresses me. Can't really think of a worse hero for him. magnus? Yeah he doesn't have 70% winrate with 5.2 KDA on Magnus in 68 pro games or anything.
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give sing a non-core kunkka pls. miss my tempo kunkka
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On November 02 2014 03:33 cuckoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 03:31 bagels21 wrote:On November 02 2014 03:27 Linwelin wrote:On November 02 2014 03:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:On November 02 2014 03:22 Linwelin wrote: Maybe some people will realise that just because Sing has some bad games (and please don't give him Jakiro ever again) it doesn't make him a terrible player.
Probably not though Players can't go very far if they can't be consistent. Sure and I'm not saying that Sing is the best player ever but according to some people, just because he occasionally feeds, he should never play in a t1 team ever. Let's not forget that he played very well at TI4 for example and he was one of the main reasons C9 did so well. Even with Team Tinker, he has had very good games too At TI4, C9 made a conscious effort to pick/ban around heroes Sing was comfortable with. Often times they let Sing take the 1 position farm (meepo games for instance). The main complaint from people is that once Sing isn't winning his lane or getting support, he tends to drop off dramatically But I don't really see qojqva or Pajkatt being different in that. Both of them have bad games if they don't farm well. And it's actually something Sing knows he's quite bad at (comingback in a game). I remember at TI4 HUB pieliedie and him discussing their strenghts and weakness and both mentioned that.
granted PJ doesn't really impress me, but he's never really had the same kind of fanbase(and haters) as Sing has. PJ sorta just plays solidly and does whatever you need him to do.
Qojqva rarely falls behind in farm though, even when he's in an unfavorable lane. I think his laning stage is probably one of his strengths. He almost never falls behind early game.
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bloodlust lone druid have you seen this fucking bear
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OD is a shit hero. He needs BKB for survivability but can't rush it or you have no damage output for fights and fast farming. He was only viable before the creep deny nerfs when he could win the lane enough to buy him time to get fat.
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