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On July 21 2014 21:33 NInoff wrote:
This is going to be boring final.
probably 3:1 for one of the teams, and a total of 60 minutes of game play.
If ( and they will ) the teams pick aggressive, it all comes up to one fight around 10-12 minutes during the first high ground defence. If the aggressor don't lose too much heroes, they win, if not the game continues for 20 more minutes until the more balanced teams gets enough farm and levels so the aggressor can't do anything. And so on...
Will we watch games like lets say last year's Liquid Vs LGD, or Na'Vi vs Tongfu? Probably no. Will we watch games that will be like game 5 of last years final? Hell no.
Lets hope that they will draft for at least 1 game more balanced team, so we can watch a nice long even game.
TBH i won't even watch it, but will give it a chance - probably game one, and / or maybe listening to the stream for one more game - if they make spectacle, will watch to the end, if not i am very sorry that when so much money comes in to the sport, the quality drops, i don't want dota to look like football in a few years - everyone know that many matches are set up but no one can or want's to prove it.
They have to play for the fans always, not just say they do. After all its US - the community that will make every single player of the winning team a millionare.
Please, are you even trying here?
The quality dropping? I'm very sorry for you, that your team could not make it, but it was because a better team with better "quality" beat them. I also like how you postulate even before the match that the final is going to be boring, how biased can you be? It feels like you haven't watched last years final. Did you miss the first and the second game? Were they the top notch quality you are refering to?
If you think, just for one second, that because you bought a compendium or a ticket, that you dictate how the teams play the game, you should seriously stop up for just one second and think. Your whole post reeks of some feeling of entitlement.
Once again, I am very sorry that your favorite teams could not make it, be it a western or a chinese team, albeit I'm pretty sure which ones you like, but at least show some respect to the teams that made it further.
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Read the VG vs newbee preview article. It might stop some of that "6pool" nonsense flying around in this thread.
I am looking forward to see how the drafts go. VG and NB do share some heroes, so i am curious what we will see in those games. And i dont think it will be that short of a final. We might have 1-2 stomps(meaning ~20min games) at max
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On July 21 2014 21:44 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 21:33 NInoff wrote:
This is going to be boring final.
probably 3:1 for one of the teams, and a total of 60 minutes of game play.
If ( and they will ) the teams pick aggressive, it all comes up to one fight around 10-12 minutes during the first high ground defence. If the aggressor don't lose too much heroes, they win, if not the game continues for 20 more minutes until the more balanced teams gets enough farm and levels so the aggressor can't do anything. And so on...
Will we watch games like lets say last year's Liquid Vs LGD, or Na'Vi vs Tongfu? Probably no. Will we watch games that will be like game 5 of last years final? Hell no.
Lets hope that they will draft for at least 1 game more balanced team, so we can watch a nice long even game.
TBH i won't even watch it, but will give it a chance - probably game one, and / or maybe listening to the stream for one more game - if they make spectacle, will watch to the end, if not i am very sorry that when so much money comes in to the sport, the quality drops, i don't want dota to look like football in a few years - everyone know that many matches are set up but no one can or want's to prove it.
They have to play for the fans always, not just say they do. After all its US - the community that will make every single player of the winning team a millionare. If it was LGD DK then i would agree to what you said. Are you kidding me, VG and NB are the most anti-eastern eastern teams in dota history. EG looks more like a chinese team, c9 just drafted retardedly.
C9's loss in game 3 to VG wasn't the draft. They had a solid draft and better lanes as well. Their decision making is what lost them that game. (seriously, why wouldn't VG check for a lvl 1 rosh when C9 drafted THEIR OWN LINEUP)
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Don't think I can catch the grand finals on a weekday...think I have to avoid all social media tomorrow until I can catch the games. GL to both teams.
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Hoping to see some Sylar's Syllabear!
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let's be fair
TI3 grand finals involved 4 stomps and 1 game which was decided by 2-3 plays + 1 lucky roshan bash
to say this is going to be boring is unfair, as last year's finals were boring until the 5th game.
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On July 21 2014 22:26 fartosis77 wrote:
I am watching the rebroadcast of game 3 and I see Super with insanely long fingernails, polished and all... anyone know if this is common in chinese dota or if it helps pressing buttons? I would have thought it would hinder you in hitting your keys..
Just curious so thought i'd ask here ;o
It's a status thing in China (nothing to do with Dota). I don't really remember anymore what it ment exactly but apparently you're better than those without or something. Might have to do with hard workers not being able to have those fingernails because they would break so it shows you don't work in a mine or something... but don't quote me on that.
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On July 21 2014 23:13 Nymzee wrote:
let's be fair
TI3 grand finals involved 4 stomps and 1 game which was decided by 2-3 plays + 1 lucky roshan bash
to say this is going to be boring is unfair, as last year's finals were boring until the 5th game.
Last years finals (and Meta) allowed both team to actually get to the mid game.
This years finals (and new Meta) will allow only one team to reach the mid game, unless the team that loose the early engagement play out of their minds to stage a comeback (like DK and EG did in the games they came back).
This is all about the early snowball, and as such the reference to 6-pool is spot on. Except that the only viable counter strategy here is to also 6 pool yourself. There is no way to build a defense building in time to save the game (or in dota terms, counter push and split push has been nerfed into oblivion).
Well, all those who hated split push (rat dota) should be overjoyed with the current Meta. This is all they hoped for.
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Norway25712 Posts
HYPE
Hope I can make it back home to my computer in time for the games. Shouldn't be a problem!
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Think we concluded that s4 is the best solo mid.
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On July 21 2014 23:23 Ohforfsake wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 23:13 Nymzee wrote:
let's be fair
TI3 grand finals involved 4 stomps and 1 game which was decided by 2-3 plays + 1 lucky roshan bash
to say this is going to be boring is unfair, as last year's finals were boring until the 5th game. Last years finals (and Meta) allowed both team to actually get to the mid game. This years finals (and new Meta) will allow only one team to reach the mid game, unless the team that loose the early engagement play out of their minds to stage a comeback (like DK and EG did in the games they came back). This is all about the early snowball, and as such the reference to 6-pool is spot on. Except that the only viable counter strategy here is to also 6 pool yourself. There is no way to build a defense building in time to save the game (or in dota terms, counter push and split push has been nerfed into oblivion). Well, all those who hated split push (rat dota) should be overjoyed with the current Meta. This is all they hoped for.
Or just don't draft two heroes with massive level 6 cool downs and you should be able to fight it off. The reason the meta is so dry this time is because all the teams really doubled down drafting from a limited pool of heroes. So much razor, faceless tide. People forgot about Bane, KotL, PL, PA, and all those other heroes they were playing a month ago.
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Cheese finals = best finals, go full sOs VG !!!
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On July 21 2014 23:31 Xodushai wrote:
Think we concluded that s4 is the best solo mid.
I dont see how this is relevant for the finals
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opterown
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forgot this i guess
Poll: Best Captain/Drafter?xiao8 (33) 43% ppd (13) 17% rOtk (10) 13% Puppey (9) 12% EternaLEnVy (7) 9% LaNm (4) 5% Yao (1) 1% Faith (0) 0% 77 total votes Your vote: Best Captain/Drafter? (Vote): xiao8
(Vote): rOtk
(Vote): ppd
(Vote): LaNm
(Vote): Yao
(Vote): EternaLEnVy
(Vote): Faith
(Vote): Puppey
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
also pretty sure preshow is 3 hours long, so midday PDT or 9pm CEST for you westerners
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On July 21 2014 21:33 NInoff wrote:
This is going to be boring final.
probably 3:1 for one of the teams, and a total of 60 minutes of game play.
If ( and they will ) the teams pick aggressive, it all comes up to one fight around 10-12 minutes during the first high ground defence. If the aggressor don't lose too much heroes, they win, if not the game continues for 20 more minutes until the more balanced teams gets enough farm and levels so the aggressor can't do anything. And so on...
Will we watch games like lets say last year's Liquid Vs LGD, or Na'Vi vs Tongfu? Probably no. Will we watch games that will be like game 5 of last years final? Hell no.
Lets hope that they will draft for at least 1 game more balanced team, so we can watch a nice long even game.
TBH i won't even watch it, but will give it a chance - probably game one, and / or maybe listening to the stream for one more game - if they make spectacle, will watch to the end, if not i am very sorry that when so much money comes in to the sport, the quality drops, i don't want dota to look like football in a few years - everyone know that many matches are set up but no one can or want's to prove it.
They have to play for the fans always, not just say they do. After all its US - the community that will make every single player of the winning team a millionare.
Hahahha, what a sad, pathetic life you must have.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 21 2014 23:41 werynais wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 21:33 NInoff wrote:
This is going to be boring final.
probably 3:1 for one of the teams, and a total of 60 minutes of game play.
If ( and they will ) the teams pick aggressive, it all comes up to one fight around 10-12 minutes during the first high ground defence. If the aggressor don't lose too much heroes, they win, if not the game continues for 20 more minutes until the more balanced teams gets enough farm and levels so the aggressor can't do anything. And so on...
Will we watch games like lets say last year's Liquid Vs LGD, or Na'Vi vs Tongfu? Probably no. Will we watch games that will be like game 5 of last years final? Hell no.
Lets hope that they will draft for at least 1 game more balanced team, so we can watch a nice long even game.
TBH i won't even watch it, but will give it a chance - probably game one, and / or maybe listening to the stream for one more game - if they make spectacle, will watch to the end, if not i am very sorry that when so much money comes in to the sport, the quality drops, i don't want dota to look like football in a few years - everyone know that many matches are set up but no one can or want's to prove it.
They have to play for the fans always, not just say they do. After all its US - the community that will make every single player of the winning team a millionare. Hahahha, what a sad, pathetic life you must have.
while I don't agree with his post I would like everyone to be civil! no personal insults or attacks please.
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One vote for all english casters to start calling him XiaoBa instead of XiaoAte.
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On July 21 2014 23:41 werynais wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 21:33 NInoff wrote:
This is going to be boring final.
probably 3:1 for one of the teams, and a total of 60 minutes of game play.
If ( and they will ) the teams pick aggressive, it all comes up to one fight around 10-12 minutes during the first high ground defence. If the aggressor don't lose too much heroes, they win, if not the game continues for 20 more minutes until the more balanced teams gets enough farm and levels so the aggressor can't do anything. And so on...
Will we watch games like lets say last year's Liquid Vs LGD, or Na'Vi vs Tongfu? Probably no. Will we watch games that will be like game 5 of last years final? Hell no.
Lets hope that they will draft for at least 1 game more balanced team, so we can watch a nice long even game.
TBH i won't even watch it, but will give it a chance - probably game one, and / or maybe listening to the stream for one more game - if they make spectacle, will watch to the end, if not i am very sorry that when so much money comes in to the sport, the quality drops, i don't want dota to look like football in a few years - everyone know that many matches are set up but no one can or want's to prove it.
They have to play for the fans always, not just say they do. After all its US - the community that will make every single player of the winning team a millionare. Hahahha, what a sad, pathetic life you must have.
Shit just got real
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On July 21 2014 23:23 Ohforfsake wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 23:13 Nymzee wrote:
let's be fair
TI3 grand finals involved 4 stomps and 1 game which was decided by 2-3 plays + 1 lucky roshan bash
to say this is going to be boring is unfair, as last year's finals were boring until the 5th game. Last years finals (and Meta) allowed both team to actually get to the mid game. This years finals (and new Meta) will allow only one team to reach the mid game, unless the team that loose the early engagement play out of their minds to stage a comeback (like DK and EG did in the games they came back). This is all about the early snowball, and as such the reference to 6-pool is spot on. Except that the only viable counter strategy here is to also 6 pool yourself. There is no way to build a defense building in time to save the game (or in dota terms, counter push and split push has been nerfed into oblivion). Well, all those who hated split push (rat dota) should be overjoyed with the current Meta. This is all they hoped for.
It is not. It is not an early game cheese. Its more like a timing attack that is hard to hold.
And in the 2nd game EG showed that it is not impossible to hold without playing a push strat yourself
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