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Ufnal
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland1435 Posts
July 14 2014 20:43 GMT
#1981
On July 15 2014 05:38 superstartran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 05:33 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:31 ApproximateKnowledge wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:28 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:28 superstartran wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:24 Darpa wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:23 Zizy wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:21 Darpa wrote:
ughh hate this style of play.

Go in, ultimate spam. Retreat wait for next rosh, ult spam, repeat. So boring in between.


Yea it's Newbees draft we have to flame. It's not like Na'Vis lineup couldn't do anything even if Newbee had their ulties down.


I didnt flame anything, I said I hate this style of play. dont be a fanboy.



The amount of underlying racism on these forums is sickening, that's why some people are getting fed up with it. All the SEA/Chinese teams have been playing extremely aggressive styles of play, and yet people call it boring. iG gets Ember Spirit and rolls a team? Boring. DK runs a strong push strat that takes extreme execution? Boring. VG runs a brilliant Pugna centric push strat? Boring. LGD runs a midgame centric line-up centered around Invoker's great teamfighting? Boring.


Anything the Asian teams do is considered boring here, and it's fucking ridiculous.



I will open you a secret bro: people hate Alliance too. Certain people, not all.


What you say doesn't even qualify as a counter example. His point still stands.

His point operates off of hilarious assumption that those people that think that VG's Pugna line-ups (that are actually hilarious, how teams crumble against them, but that's pugna for ya) are bad are the same that think that whatever else is bad. People are all different and you can't ever please everyone, so deal with it, and desire of certain people (like me) to get some not-real gold here.



Said same people will say that Western teams are so good for doing the same exact thing. That's what I mean by underlying racism. It doesn't matter what the Chinese teams do, they can run literally every single style this tournament (which they've had, they have shown far more versatility then the Western teams have who've really stuck to their guns on Razor/Void/Tide/WK), and a plethora of heroes, but they will always be called boring on these forums for whatever reason by the same group of people. That's not saying 'that style of play is boring,' that's borderline racism at this point. You can't even justify it as fanboyism because the Asian teams all have vastly different playstyles (VG playing a much more timing oriented style of play with a strong late game anchor, DK with their multi-core extended laning phases, iG with their face rush midgame oriented styles with Luo, etc.)


If you show me people who flamed DK as boring when they did Tusk or Undying then I will see some merit in your argument. If they didn't, then I still think it's not racism thing, just different preferences.
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lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
July 14 2014 20:43 GMT
#1982
can't navi punish this TA hard by doing tiny mid pulls and denying entire waves?
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
anImaru
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States106 Posts
July 14 2014 20:44 GMT
#1983
Well at least Na'Vi has the better draft this time around.
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
July 14 2014 20:44 GMT
#1984
On July 15 2014 05:42 Diavlo wrote:
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On July 15 2014 05:40 nikuniku wrote:
Why is Newbee on dire again?

Na'Vi must have picked radiant.

Seems weird to me that NB would not take SS in the first phase when they are on Dire.

ench can really harass mid and help TA though.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
July 14 2014 20:44 GMT
#1985
Hao Weaver scares me. Hes so aggressive with it.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
ThePowerHour
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States834 Posts
July 14 2014 20:44 GMT
#1986
Honest question: Why does Newbee get to be Dire 2 games in a row? What are the rules for that?
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 14 2014 20:45 GMT
#1987
Razor going to win it for NaVi
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TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
July 14 2014 20:45 GMT
#1988
On July 15 2014 05:44 ThePowerHour wrote:
Honest question: Why does Newbee get to be Dire 2 games in a row? What are the rules for that?

navi probably chose radiant. makes sense since they went for tiny wisp
FTD
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
July 14 2014 20:45 GMT
#1989
Dunno about Tony wisp when Tide wrecks his damage. Anchor smash and Tony -180 dmg
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Procake
Profile Joined December 2013
3803 Posts
July 14 2014 20:45 GMT
#1990
Why don't they just give XBOCT heroes he can jump in and kill stuff with.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
July 14 2014 20:45 GMT
#1991
On July 15 2014 05:43 Ufnal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 05:38 superstartran wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:33 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:31 ApproximateKnowledge wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:28 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:28 superstartran wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:24 Darpa wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:23 Zizy wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:21 Darpa wrote:
ughh hate this style of play.

Go in, ultimate spam. Retreat wait for next rosh, ult spam, repeat. So boring in between.


Yea it's Newbees draft we have to flame. It's not like Na'Vis lineup couldn't do anything even if Newbee had their ulties down.


I didnt flame anything, I said I hate this style of play. dont be a fanboy.



The amount of underlying racism on these forums is sickening, that's why some people are getting fed up with it. All the SEA/Chinese teams have been playing extremely aggressive styles of play, and yet people call it boring. iG gets Ember Spirit and rolls a team? Boring. DK runs a strong push strat that takes extreme execution? Boring. VG runs a brilliant Pugna centric push strat? Boring. LGD runs a midgame centric line-up centered around Invoker's great teamfighting? Boring.


Anything the Asian teams do is considered boring here, and it's fucking ridiculous.



I will open you a secret bro: people hate Alliance too. Certain people, not all.


What you say doesn't even qualify as a counter example. His point still stands.

His point operates off of hilarious assumption that those people that think that VG's Pugna line-ups (that are actually hilarious, how teams crumble against them, but that's pugna for ya) are bad are the same that think that whatever else is bad. People are all different and you can't ever please everyone, so deal with it, and desire of certain people (like me) to get some not-real gold here.



Said same people will say that Western teams are so good for doing the same exact thing. That's what I mean by underlying racism. It doesn't matter what the Chinese teams do, they can run literally every single style this tournament (which they've had, they have shown far more versatility then the Western teams have who've really stuck to their guns on Razor/Void/Tide/WK), and a plethora of heroes, but they will always be called boring on these forums for whatever reason by the same group of people. That's not saying 'that style of play is boring,' that's borderline racism at this point. You can't even justify it as fanboyism because the Asian teams all have vastly different playstyles (VG playing a much more timing oriented style of play with a strong late game anchor, DK with their multi-core extended laning phases, iG with their face rush midgame oriented styles with Luo, etc.)


If you show me people who flamed DK as boring when they did Tusk or Undying then I will see some merit in your argument. If they didn't, then I still think it's not racism thing, just different preferences.

don't remember people calling it boring

there's always someone that calls it out as cheesy or a niche strategy or some shit like that, claiming they could never win without it

but there will always be idiots like that on either side. Best not to give them any attention, they'll just whine that it's "their personal opinion" or whatever

Na'Vi gotta win with this wisp/tiny

gogo pls
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Zizy
Profile Joined August 2012
Croatia684 Posts
July 14 2014 20:45 GMT
#1992
On July 15 2014 05:44 ThePowerHour wrote:
Honest question: Why does Newbee get to be Dire 2 games in a row? What are the rules for that?


I think Na'Vi prefers sentinel.
Math.random();
Profile Joined July 2011
433 Posts
July 14 2014 20:46 GMT
#1993
Navi still taking radiant over dire?
inimenesc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Estonia374 Posts
July 14 2014 20:46 GMT
#1994
Hey, newbee 2 times in a row at dire side? Or am I just confused.
"When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you´re fucking done for." -n0tail 2014
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-14 20:50:23
July 14 2014 20:46 GMT
#1995
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 15 2014 05:40 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 05:38 superstartran wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:33 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:31 ApproximateKnowledge wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:28 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:28 superstartran wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:24 Darpa wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:23 Zizy wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:21 Darpa wrote:
ughh hate this style of play.

Go in, ultimate spam. Retreat wait for next rosh, ult spam, repeat. So boring in between.


Yea it's Newbees draft we have to flame. It's not like Na'Vis lineup couldn't do anything even if Newbee had their ulties down.


I didnt flame anything, I said I hate this style of play. dont be a fanboy.



The amount of underlying racism on these forums is sickening, that's why some people are getting fed up with it. All the SEA/Chinese teams have been playing extremely aggressive styles of play, and yet people call it boring. iG gets Ember Spirit and rolls a team? Boring. DK runs a strong push strat that takes extreme execution? Boring. VG runs a brilliant Pugna centric push strat? Boring. LGD runs a midgame centric line-up centered around Invoker's great teamfighting? Boring.


Anything the Asian teams do is considered boring here, and it's fucking ridiculous.



I will open you a secret bro: people hate Alliance too. Certain people, not all.


What you say doesn't even qualify as a counter example. His point still stands.

His point operates off of hilarious assumption that those people that think that VG's Pugna line-ups (that are actually hilarious, how teams crumble against them, but that's pugna for ya) are bad are the same that think that whatever else is bad. People are all different and you can't ever please everyone, so deal with it, and desire of certain people (like me) to get some not-real gold here.



Said same people will say that Western teams are so good for doing the same exact thing. That's what I mean by underlying racism. It doesn't matter what the Chinese teams do, they can run literally every single style this tournament (which they've had, they have shown far more versatility then the Western teams have who've really stuck to their guns on Razor/Void/Tide/WK), and a plethora of heroes, but they will always be called boring on these forums for whatever reason by the same group of people. That's not saying 'that style of play is boring,' that's borderline racism at this point. You can't even justify it as fanboyism because the Asian teams all have vastly different playstyles (VG playing a much more timing oriented style of play with a strong late game anchor, DK with their multi-core extended laning phases, iG with their face rush midgame oriented styles with Luo, etc.)

Citation needed. Not to mention that stuff you mention in most cases is either not ran by western teams (pugna), is just as flamed as by eastern ones (boring naga games), or actually receives praise by both primarily (xin going to town).



On July 14 2014 08:02 AciD_DotA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2014 07:59 FinestHour wrote:
On July 14 2014 07:58 LemOn wrote:
On July 14 2014 07:57 FinestHour wrote:
LOL AT DK HATERS SAYING THEY ONLY PLAY FARMING NAGA GAMES AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

who the fuck said that?
were you living under a stone?
they played shitloads of heroes and various drafts for like 6 months now


READ LR THREAD LAZY KID


No they don't just play farming naga games, DK and every other Chinese team do 2 types of games, Farming shitfests and all-in shitfests like this.

User was warned for this and other posts



On July 11 2014 12:50 shizaep wrote:
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On July 11 2014 12:45 opterown wrote:
On July 11 2014 12:36 Kuroeeah wrote:
faith just called the gg to end the game, nobody in their team said a word. IG salty?

eh what's wrong with just one person GGing out?

Against Nar'vi they actually just let their throne die, no one said a word. iG just blatantly refuses to "gg" and I just cannot respect this team for failing to give this basic courtesy (not that I'd ever respect any team with ChuaN on it)



On July 14 2014 07:49 KristofferAG wrote:
oh my god i hate chinese dota and their rat strats no action for like 40 minutes -.-.-.-.-.-.-



On July 14 2014 07:37 MistraL958 wrote:
Ok Burning got Ember, no team fight before he has 3 BFs. Thats gonna be exciting too yeay






Do you need more? I have plenty more evidence of the borderline racism against the Asian teams. It's absolutely pathetic.
kaztah
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1221 Posts
July 14 2014 20:46 GMT
#1996
okey once again they pick a fucking razor and once again they're not stopping tides ancient stacking.
I speak fluent sarcasm.
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
July 14 2014 20:46 GMT
#1997
On July 15 2014 05:44 ThePowerHour wrote:
Honest question: Why does Newbee get to be Dire 2 games in a row? What are the rules for that?


captains choose picks or sides, navi ended up radiant so it's their own business
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
July 14 2014 20:46 GMT
#1998
On July 15 2014 05:42 Diavlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 05:40 nikuniku wrote:
Why is Newbee on dire again?

Na'Vi must have picked radiant.

Seems weird to me that NB would not take SS in the first phase when they are on Dire.
Na'Vi have since always favoured first pick over dire.
Once you Goblak...
Abominous
Profile Joined March 2013
Croatia1625 Posts
July 14 2014 20:46 GMT
#1999
Where did usual carries like Lifestealer and Luna go? Some months ago they were a must have.
Autotroph
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom940 Posts
July 14 2014 20:46 GMT
#2000
Anyone else feel the casters are behind on the stream at all?
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