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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
June 06 2014 22:05 GMT
#1881
Wow, that fight was crazy one sided. Very rough situation for Fnatic now.
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Dankleteer
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1430 Posts
June 06 2014 22:05 GMT
#1882
now dk is starting to lay the smack down. They're outmaneuvering Fnatic in the midgame
fresh chops
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-06 22:05:23
June 06 2014 22:05 GMT
#1883
On June 07 2014 07:02 opterown wrote:
sooo... looking even i guess?


I think PA has missed her timing. So DK would already have the advantage if they weren't also way up in gold.
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BadAim
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway879 Posts
June 06 2014 22:05 GMT
#1884
Strange, I cant figure out where the game went downhill for Fnatic.
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KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
June 06 2014 22:05 GMT
#1885
DK does not care about your aegis.
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Talron
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany7651 Posts
June 06 2014 22:05 GMT
#1886
On June 07 2014 07:03 SilverStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2014 07:03 Talron wrote:
Is that an Aghs effect on Panda? :o

Yeah

Since when are Agh visual effects in the game? Or is that a cosmetic specific thing in this case. I didn't play for some time, only watch. Noticing this for the first time tho.
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anonymitylol
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada4477 Posts
June 06 2014 22:05 GMT
#1887
On June 07 2014 07:05 BadAim wrote:
Strange, I cant figure out where the game went downhill for Fnatic.


brew constantly taking supports out of the fight, doom on luna/pa every fight taking a core out
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Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
June 06 2014 22:06 GMT
#1888
On June 07 2014 06:50 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2014 06:49 Nocticate wrote:
On June 07 2014 06:42 teapoted wrote:
On June 07 2014 06:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
On June 07 2014 06:39 teapoted wrote:
On June 07 2014 06:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
On June 07 2014 06:37 opterown wrote:
hrmmm 3 melee cores on each

Fnatic only has 2 melee heros total dude
It still doesn't equate in my head that tide is a core.

I figured it was easier to say this than to argue the definition of core and get into farm allocation vs late-game utility etc
To be fair I was someone who said 2 years ago that I don't like people starting to use the term 'core' for those types of heroes, as it seems the term is far too general.

But it's generally accepted so I conceded. Although I still thing 'core' is somewhat meaningless.

it basically means they're getting a significant portion of farm throughout the game, at least imo.
it's useful to differentiate between a core and a hero like BM who might transition into more of a support role as the game goes on.
casually responding like 5 pages late
People still call BM a core. As I said it's a meaningless term because it has no clear definition. Core basically means "not a support", which doesn't say much.

people call BM a core when he gets blink, necro, aghs, refresher, etc. as a mid laner.
thing is, what do you call the mid and offlaner when you're running a single-core strat? say its like a batrider and a lich with a dusa or pl safelane, or something like that. batrider gets up blink, lich gets up some basic support items; after that, the dusa or PL is paramount and they should be farming not only lanes but the jungle. the other heroes get utility and maybe some auras when they're farming something that the carry can't get to.
so what do you call them?
hell, it's more apt to look at the meepo game today, what do you call a Kunkka that gets a hex? or when EGM goes manmode on silencer and plays it as a 2 position after laning stage?
i think that's where core is a useful term.
obviously, like the difference between poisonous and venomous, it becomes less useful when people use it with no regard for the distinction.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
June 06 2014 22:06 GMT
#1889
On June 07 2014 07:05 BadAim wrote:
Strange, I cant figure out where the game went downhill for Fnatic.


They don't have any damage to deal with the BKB. Luna doesn't do any damage yet and PA is underfarmed
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
June 06 2014 22:06 GMT
#1890
I disagree with the commentary that the bkb was all that difficult. Because Dire has a sentry in Mid, he saw the invis tide before he blinked.
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Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
June 06 2014 22:06 GMT
#1891
Yeah PA has dwindled to the point of near uselessness. Not tanky enough to facetank into this DK lineup yet.
Kirsed
Profile Joined May 2013
9380 Posts
June 06 2014 22:06 GMT
#1892
Trixi steals aegis.

+ Show Spoiler +
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
June 06 2014 22:06 GMT
#1893
Brew is a midgame core. As all of your fighting is organized around it.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 06 2014 22:06 GMT
#1894
On June 07 2014 07:05 Talron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2014 07:03 SilverStar wrote:
On June 07 2014 07:03 Talron wrote:
Is that an Aghs effect on Panda? :o

Yeah

Since when are Agh visual effects in the game? Or is that a cosmetic specific thing in this case. I didn't play for some time, only watch. Noticing this for the first time tho.

Its a cosmetic item on panda modeled after an aghs thats why
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anonymitylol
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada4477 Posts
June 06 2014 22:06 GMT
#1895
On June 07 2014 07:06 teapoted wrote:
I disagree with the commentary that the bkb was all that difficult. Because Dire has a sentry in Mid, he saw the invis tide before he blinked.


he also anchor smashed first instead of leading with ravage
gold on my wrist phone in my pocket
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
June 06 2014 22:07 GMT
#1896
hahaha that cheeky ranged creep
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Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
June 06 2014 22:07 GMT
#1897
On June 07 2014 07:05 BadAim wrote:
Strange, I cant figure out where the game went downhill for Fnatic.


It is always how Chinese teams play especially DK
They are really good in controlling the economy. Even when they seem behind, they are ahead in gold and exp.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 06 2014 22:07 GMT
#1898
On June 07 2014 07:06 teapoted wrote:
I disagree with the commentary that the bkb was all that difficult. Because Dire has a sentry in Mid, he saw the invis tide before he blinked.


Did he? I thought Ice went in the trees as tide walked past the invis.
Veles
Profile Joined May 2011
United States3280 Posts
June 06 2014 22:07 GMT
#1899
game winning ward from dk
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
June 06 2014 22:07 GMT
#1900
On June 07 2014 07:06 Nocticate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2014 06:50 teapoted wrote:
On June 07 2014 06:49 Nocticate wrote:
On June 07 2014 06:42 teapoted wrote:
On June 07 2014 06:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
On June 07 2014 06:39 teapoted wrote:
On June 07 2014 06:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
On June 07 2014 06:37 opterown wrote:
hrmmm 3 melee cores on each

Fnatic only has 2 melee heros total dude
It still doesn't equate in my head that tide is a core.

I figured it was easier to say this than to argue the definition of core and get into farm allocation vs late-game utility etc
To be fair I was someone who said 2 years ago that I don't like people starting to use the term 'core' for those types of heroes, as it seems the term is far too general.

But it's generally accepted so I conceded. Although I still thing 'core' is somewhat meaningless.

it basically means they're getting a significant portion of farm throughout the game, at least imo.
it's useful to differentiate between a core and a hero like BM who might transition into more of a support role as the game goes on.
casually responding like 5 pages late
People still call BM a core. As I said it's a meaningless term because it has no clear definition. Core basically means "not a support", which doesn't say much.

people call BM a core when he gets blink, necro, aghs, refresher, etc. as a mid laner.
thing is, what do you call the mid and offlaner when you're running a single-core strat? say its like a batrider and a lich with a dusa or pl safelane, or something like that. batrider gets up blink, lich gets up some basic support items; after that, the dusa or PL is paramount and they should be farming not only lanes but the jungle. the other heroes get utility and maybe some auras when they're farming something that the carry can't get to.
so what do you call them?
hell, it's more apt to look at the meepo game today, what do you call a Kunkka that gets a hex? or when EGM goes manmode on silencer and plays it as a 2 position after laning stage?
i think that's where core is a useful term.
obviously, like the difference between poisonous and venomous, it becomes less useful when people use it with no regard for the distinction.
I'm not saying there's something better to call them. I'm just saying it's an ambiguous term.
Once you Goblak...
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