On December 02 2012 18:25 L3g3nd_ wrote: i love wc3 so much, undead champion at last !
That WC3 final was pretty awesome. I haven't watched or played the game in a long time (I actually forgot what some of the Undead units do) but it was really fun to watch those super long micro battles, clutch surrounds and some awesome Blademaster action from Fly.
On December 02 2012 17:11 figq wrote: [quote]You seem angry. Keep in mind WCG made Tobi cast a lot of WarCraft III matches and even SC2, while many Dota matches were cast by people who've never played Dota, in Chinese client, where their only clue is if they occasionally hear the English names of the heroes as they appear in the picking phase. Given the situation, they are doing great.
Is it wrong of me to be upset that a good dota 2 match gets shown by two clowns who can't appreciate the game and instead make fun of it and compare it to LoL? I get it some people think it's funny. It was funny on the first day, now it is just sad and disrespectful.
We should make you cast a game you've never played in Chinese client and see how you do.
i wouldn't apply for a job I can't do. Or if I had to do it I would actually watch a tutorial video or read a basic guide not to make a complete ass out of myself. Yes I get that they had limited time to prepare but that doesn't excuse what they are currently doing now.
Doa is an SC2 caster and Ramon is a CS caster.
WCG is spreading out the casters.
Plus Doa had to cast WC3, FIFA, and a bunch of other random WCG games too.
It's not their fault that WCG didn't get more Dota casters.
Some time before this week, WCG scheduled the events. Some time before this week, a bunch of english casters got on a plane and went to china. Some time before this week someone should have realized, wait a minute theres only one dota caster coming to cast an event that has 2 dota games. At some point before breakfast on the first morning someone at wcg should have realized they didnt have enough dota casters. At some point before the first games these two casted, someone should have handed them a list of what the names of the heroes are in dota. But none of that happened.
I can't believe what you're saying. First you suggest they stay silent for the greater good (lol) on an english stream they are told and paid to cast. Now it seems like you're saying it's somehow the casters' job to last minute spot check who WCG hires, how they organize their event, and their scheduling.
Lets say someone hires a plumber to fix a TV, do you think that plumber should go ahead and take apart the TV and be all like, well I got hired for this job, might as well go ahead and do it. Or maybe, it would be in the plumber's best intrest to ask his electrician buddy to give him some tips. I'm saying that if you realize you have to do a job that you dont know how to do, either dont do it or ask for some help. These two didn't ask for help cos they dont know anything about the game.
Giving some "tips" the day before isn't going to help them understand the game if they don't know it. You're insulting the game if you really believe they can get their casting to an acceptable level with some "tips" especially in a game like dota where knowing hero skills as well as items is the bare minimum.
They are there to cast starcraft/CS, not spend an entire day learning what items/heroes do and dota strategy on picks/bans. Using your analogy, how is a plumber supposed to learn how to diagnose and fix a TV in a day from an electrician that is so busy that he has to let a plumber do part of his job?
Print front page of dota2 wiki-> look at hero portrait in ban phase -> I now know this hero's name
click on dota2 wiki with said hero portrait-> i now know this hero's abilities
now just do color commentary. Bare minimum achieved.
In terms of my analogy, the plumber would still be screwed, but maybe he wouldn't electrocute himself.
I dont think its as easy as you make out most likely the PC they were viewing the game from was set to mandarin as a language. China has restrictions on what webpages are available and again most likely a chinese keyboard.
Although I don think they could have asked some people for help at least after the first day rather than just rip the piss out of everything they found remotely funny in the game. I didnt mind on the first day but it got disrespectful later on.
One thing that did impress me was valves design we had 2 commentators who had barely looked at the game who were able to identify key abilities in team fights and comment on them. From watching a pretty poor monitor when they wrent even in game themselves. They missed some (like not seeing that lifestealer was inside Nyx) but thats understandable.
I wonder of how much the terrible production had to do with OGN being a major broadcaster for LoL in Korea. So the obviously lacked any knowledge regarding the Dota scene.
On December 02 2012 17:13 Implenia wrote: [quote] Is it wrong of me to be upset that a good dota 2 match gets shown by two clowns who can't appreciate the game and instead make fun of it and compare it to LoL? I get it some people think it's funny. It was funny on the first day, now it is just sad and disrespectful.
We should make you cast a game you've never played in Chinese client and see how you do.
i wouldn't apply for a job I can't do. Or if I had to do it I would actually watch a tutorial video or read a basic guide not to make a complete ass out of myself. Yes I get that they had limited time to prepare but that doesn't excuse what they are currently doing now.
Doa is an SC2 caster and Ramon is a CS caster.
WCG is spreading out the casters.
Plus Doa had to cast WC3, FIFA, and a bunch of other random WCG games too.
It's not their fault that WCG didn't get more Dota casters.
Some time before this week, WCG scheduled the events. Some time before this week, a bunch of english casters got on a plane and went to china. Some time before this week someone should have realized, wait a minute theres only one dota caster coming to cast an event that has 2 dota games. At some point before breakfast on the first morning someone at wcg should have realized they didnt have enough dota casters. At some point before the first games these two casted, someone should have handed them a list of what the names of the heroes are in dota. But none of that happened.
I can't believe what you're saying. First you suggest they stay silent for the greater good (lol) on an english stream they are told and paid to cast. Now it seems like you're saying it's somehow the casters' job to last minute spot check who WCG hires, how they organize their event, and their scheduling.
Lets say someone hires a plumber to fix a TV, do you think that plumber should go ahead and take apart the TV and be all like, well I got hired for this job, might as well go ahead and do it. Or maybe, it would be in the plumber's best intrest to ask his electrician buddy to give him some tips. I'm saying that if you realize you have to do a job that you dont know how to do, either dont do it or ask for some help. These two didn't ask for help cos they dont know anything about the game.
Giving some "tips" the day before isn't going to help them understand the game if they don't know it. You're insulting the game if you really believe they can get their casting to an acceptable level with some "tips" especially in a game like dota where knowing hero skills as well as items is the bare minimum.
They are there to cast starcraft/CS, not spend an entire day learning what items/heroes do and dota strategy on picks/bans. Using your analogy, how is a plumber supposed to learn how to diagnose and fix a TV in a day from an electrician that is so busy that he has to let a plumber do part of his job?
Print front page of dota2 wiki-> look at hero portrait in ban phase -> I now know this hero's name
click on dota2 wiki with said hero portrait-> i now know this hero's abilities
now just do color commentary. Bare minimum achieved.
In terms of my analogy, the plumber would still be screwed, but maybe he wouldn't electrocute himself.
I dont think its as easy as you make out most likely the PC they were viewing the game from was set to mandarin as a language. China has restrictions on what webpages are available and again most likely a chinese keyboard.
Although I don think they could have asked some people for help at least after the first day rather than just rip the piss out of everything they found remotely funny in the game. I didnt mind on the first day but it got disrespectful later on.
One thing that did impress me was valves design we had 2 commentators who had barely looked at the game who were able to identify key abilities in team fights and comment on them. From watching a pretty poor monitor when they wrent even in game themselves. They missed some (like not seeing that lifestealer was inside Nyx) but thats understandable.
A chinese keyboard is an American English keyboard with brush strokes as a function option on certain letters.
I was refering to using a personal computer/netcafe and a printer before they started casting, at least that would get you the hero names, plus lets keep in mind they were at an international esports festival, pretty sure someone there had access to a computer and spoke english and chinese. Teamliquid is not banned, neither is dota2 wiki. My point was that even if it was difficult for them to understand by themselves they should have known that and at least asked someone to point them to a resource. It is nice to know that valve's hero design team is good enough that the heroes show their key traits even if you dont know what they do.
On December 02 2012 17:13 Implenia wrote: [quote] Is it wrong of me to be upset that a good dota 2 match gets shown by two clowns who can't appreciate the game and instead make fun of it and compare it to LoL? I get it some people think it's funny. It was funny on the first day, now it is just sad and disrespectful.
We should make you cast a game you've never played in Chinese client and see how you do.
i wouldn't apply for a job I can't do. Or if I had to do it I would actually watch a tutorial video or read a basic guide not to make a complete ass out of myself. Yes I get that they had limited time to prepare but that doesn't excuse what they are currently doing now.
Doa is an SC2 caster and Ramon is a CS caster.
WCG is spreading out the casters.
Plus Doa had to cast WC3, FIFA, and a bunch of other random WCG games too.
It's not their fault that WCG didn't get more Dota casters.
Some time before this week, WCG scheduled the events. Some time before this week, a bunch of english casters got on a plane and went to china. Some time before this week someone should have realized, wait a minute theres only one dota caster coming to cast an event that has 2 dota games. At some point before breakfast on the first morning someone at wcg should have realized they didnt have enough dota casters. At some point before the first games these two casted, someone should have handed them a list of what the names of the heroes are in dota. But none of that happened.
I can't believe what you're saying. First you suggest they stay silent for the greater good (lol) on an english stream they are told and paid to cast. Now it seems like you're saying it's somehow the casters' job to last minute spot check who WCG hires, how they organize their event, and their scheduling.
Lets say someone hires a plumber to fix a TV, do you think that plumber should go ahead and take apart the TV and be all like, well I got hired for this job, might as well go ahead and do it. Or maybe, it would be in the plumber's best intrest to ask his electrician buddy to give him some tips. I'm saying that if you realize you have to do a job that you dont know how to do, either dont do it or ask for some help. These two didn't ask for help cos they dont know anything about the game.
Giving some "tips" the day before isn't going to help them understand the game if they don't know it. You're insulting the game if you really believe they can get their casting to an acceptable level with some "tips" especially in a game like dota where knowing hero skills as well as items is the bare minimum.
They are there to cast starcraft/CS, not spend an entire day learning what items/heroes do and dota strategy on picks/bans. Using your analogy, how is a plumber supposed to learn how to diagnose and fix a TV in a day from an electrician that is so busy that he has to let a plumber do part of his job?
Print front page of dota2 wiki-> look at hero portrait in ban phase -> I now know this hero's name
click on dota2 wiki with said hero portrait-> i now know this hero's abilities
now just do color commentary. Bare minimum achieved.
In terms of my analogy, the plumber would still be screwed, but maybe he wouldn't electrocute himself.
I dont think its as easy as you make out most likely the PC they were viewing the game from was set to mandarin as a language. China has restrictions on what webpages are available and again most likely a chinese keyboard.
Although I don think they could have asked some people for help at least after the first day rather than just rip the piss out of everything they found remotely funny in the game. I didnt mind on the first day but it got disrespectful later on.
One thing that did impress me was valves design we had 2 commentators who had barely looked at the game who were able to identify key abilities in team fights and comment on them. From watching a pretty poor monitor when they wrent even in game themselves. They missed some (like not seeing that lifestealer was inside Nyx) but thats understandable.
there is no such thing called chinese keyboard...
maybe you are talking about japanese keyboard which include some of the japanese characters
On December 02 2012 17:17 figq wrote: [quote]We should make you cast a game you've never played in Chinese client and see how you do.
i wouldn't apply for a job I can't do. Or if I had to do it I would actually watch a tutorial video or read a basic guide not to make a complete ass out of myself. Yes I get that they had limited time to prepare but that doesn't excuse what they are currently doing now.
Doa is an SC2 caster and Ramon is a CS caster.
WCG is spreading out the casters.
Plus Doa had to cast WC3, FIFA, and a bunch of other random WCG games too.
It's not their fault that WCG didn't get more Dota casters.
Some time before this week, WCG scheduled the events. Some time before this week, a bunch of english casters got on a plane and went to china. Some time before this week someone should have realized, wait a minute theres only one dota caster coming to cast an event that has 2 dota games. At some point before breakfast on the first morning someone at wcg should have realized they didnt have enough dota casters. At some point before the first games these two casted, someone should have handed them a list of what the names of the heroes are in dota. But none of that happened.
I can't believe what you're saying. First you suggest they stay silent for the greater good (lol) on an english stream they are told and paid to cast. Now it seems like you're saying it's somehow the casters' job to last minute spot check who WCG hires, how they organize their event, and their scheduling.
Lets say someone hires a plumber to fix a TV, do you think that plumber should go ahead and take apart the TV and be all like, well I got hired for this job, might as well go ahead and do it. Or maybe, it would be in the plumber's best intrest to ask his electrician buddy to give him some tips. I'm saying that if you realize you have to do a job that you dont know how to do, either dont do it or ask for some help. These two didn't ask for help cos they dont know anything about the game.
Giving some "tips" the day before isn't going to help them understand the game if they don't know it. You're insulting the game if you really believe they can get their casting to an acceptable level with some "tips" especially in a game like dota where knowing hero skills as well as items is the bare minimum.
They are there to cast starcraft/CS, not spend an entire day learning what items/heroes do and dota strategy on picks/bans. Using your analogy, how is a plumber supposed to learn how to diagnose and fix a TV in a day from an electrician that is so busy that he has to let a plumber do part of his job?
Print front page of dota2 wiki-> look at hero portrait in ban phase -> I now know this hero's name
click on dota2 wiki with said hero portrait-> i now know this hero's abilities
now just do color commentary. Bare minimum achieved.
In terms of my analogy, the plumber would still be screwed, but maybe he wouldn't electrocute himself.
I dont think its as easy as you make out most likely the PC they were viewing the game from was set to mandarin as a language. China has restrictions on what webpages are available and again most likely a chinese keyboard.
Although I don think they could have asked some people for help at least after the first day rather than just rip the piss out of everything they found remotely funny in the game. I didnt mind on the first day but it got disrespectful later on.
One thing that did impress me was valves design we had 2 commentators who had barely looked at the game who were able to identify key abilities in team fights and comment on them. From watching a pretty poor monitor when they wrent even in game themselves. They missed some (like not seeing that lifestealer was inside Nyx) but thats understandable.
there is no such thing called chinese keyboard...
maybe you are talking about japanese keyboard which include some of the japanese characters
Misconception probably caused by Tomorrow Never Dies where Michelle Yeoh leads James Bond to her lair and all the keyboards are in Chinese.
On December 03 2012 08:02 Kupon3ss wrote: no,all the minicharacters are based on simplified, wheras kanji is based off traditional Chinese,
kanji is phoenetic and is for not just chinese
Kanji often has phonetic components but is not truly phonetic. Kana is phonetic. Kanji = hanzi = hanja = han tu = 漢字 so yeah you're right, it's not just for Chinese though it is usually only used for words of Chinese origin and two of those four systems have pretty much fallen out of use anyway.
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