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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
February 26 2013 19:39 GMT
#701
NTH without EE is better than before?
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-26 19:40:39
February 26 2013 19:39 GMT
#702
On February 27 2013 04:37 teapoted wrote:
Did I mention how this Nth looks completely different than before?

They lost the trilane vs trilane, trixi was 2 levels behind where he should have been when the first teamfight happened, didn't have lasso for lifestealer and so they lost it... bulldog is 2 levels + 1k gold ahead (which let them take 2 towers uncontested) because trixi has massively thrown... this is the same old nth, just bad by fnatic. You don't feed a lone druid solo kills, ever
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
duoform
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain5180 Posts
February 26 2013 19:39 GMT
#703
On February 27 2013 04:36 Kipsate wrote:
big feeds trixi

HEY MAN. SERVER IS LAGGING. LAG IS THE REASON TRIXI IS SUCKING!
"I really like Marauders and Marines." - Flash
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
February 26 2013 19:40 GMT
#704
probably cause EE was extremely overrated
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
February 26 2013 19:43 GMT
#705
On February 27 2013 04:39 Jehct wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 04:37 teapoted wrote:
Did I mention how this Nth looks completely different than before?

They lost the trilane vs trilane, trixi was 2 levels behind where he should have been when the first teamfight happened, didn't have lasso for lifestealer and so they lost it... bulldog is 2 levels + 1k gold ahead (which let them take 2 towers uncontested) because trixi has massively thrown... this is the same old nth, just bad by fnatic. You don't feed a lone druid solo kills, ever
I don't know what you're talking about. But I'm talking about playstyle, and if you think it's the same as before, you never watched Nth play under EE.
Once you Goblak...
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 26 2013 19:43 GMT
#706
bulldog will have a 16min radiance phase tranq

that shit not gon be fun for fnatic.
WriterXiao8~~
duoform
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain5180 Posts
February 26 2013 19:46 GMT
#707
FIRST HIT ENTANGLE!
ADMIRAL!
"I really like Marauders and Marines." - Flash
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
February 26 2013 19:47 GMT
#708
On February 27 2013 04:43 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 04:39 Jehct wrote:
On February 27 2013 04:37 teapoted wrote:
Did I mention how this Nth looks completely different than before?

They lost the trilane vs trilane, trixi was 2 levels behind where he should have been when the first teamfight happened, didn't have lasso for lifestealer and so they lost it... bulldog is 2 levels + 1k gold ahead (which let them take 2 towers uncontested) because trixi has massively thrown... this is the same old nth, just bad by fnatic. You don't feed a lone druid solo kills, ever
I don't know what you're talking about. But I'm talking about playstyle, and if you think it's the same as before, you never watched Nth play under EE.

It's the same playstyle they tried for a while with EE but every time they did they lost the aggressive trilane, and bulldog didn't get enough farm to compensate. They've just gone back to the way they played a month ago, except fnatic fed bulldog so it worked.
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
Vankuga
Profile Joined April 2012
Panama2005 Posts
February 26 2013 19:47 GMT
#709
Who is captaining now for nth? s4 too?

Thing now its that nth its playing more aggressive imo. Also honestly, wtf Trixi giving so many kills to LD.
Vankuga
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 26 2013 19:48 GMT
#710
in retrospect Yaphets build is a nogo for this game against Lina.
WriterXiao8~~
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
February 26 2013 19:48 GMT
#711
trixi tilting hardcore after that first blood
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38199 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-26 19:50:15
February 26 2013 19:49 GMT
#712
On February 27 2013 04:39 Azarkon wrote:
NTH without EE is better than before?


Change of team member, especially a captain, leads to a change of approach. Probably get a bit of a honeymoon period where teams are less certain of how they'll execute things now too.

Fnatic disappointing, but thus is life with Bo1's
duoform
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain5180 Posts
February 26 2013 19:50 GMT
#713
On February 27 2013 04:47 Vankuga wrote:
Who is captaining now for nth? s4 too?

Thing now its that nth its playing more aggressive imo. Also honestly, wtf Trixi giving so many kills to LD.

I think it's pretty safe to say that lag takes a huge part of it...
"I really like Marauders and Marines." - Flash
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
February 26 2013 19:50 GMT
#714
Trixi hasn't been doing too well in the offlane position =/.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-26 19:51:26
February 26 2013 19:50 GMT
#715
On February 27 2013 04:47 Jehct wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 04:43 teapoted wrote:
On February 27 2013 04:39 Jehct wrote:
On February 27 2013 04:37 teapoted wrote:
Did I mention how this Nth looks completely different than before?

They lost the trilane vs trilane, trixi was 2 levels behind where he should have been when the first teamfight happened, didn't have lasso for lifestealer and so they lost it... bulldog is 2 levels + 1k gold ahead (which let them take 2 towers uncontested) because trixi has massively thrown... this is the same old nth, just bad by fnatic. You don't feed a lone druid solo kills, ever
I don't know what you're talking about. But I'm talking about playstyle, and if you think it's the same as before, you never watched Nth play under EE.

It's the same playstyle they tried for a while with EE but every time they did they lost the aggressive trilane, and bulldog didn't get enough farm to compensate. They've just gone back to the way they played a month ago, except fnatic fed bulldog so it worked.
This is significantly more aggressive than they've ever played. It's significantly more based around pushing rather than farming than it was before, which means their supports aren't all level 1 and useless.

They might have tried something in the past, but trying and executing correctly isn't the same thing. And this game is the same as the other 5 games they played, and it's not the same as they used to play, get over it.

Fnatic made some mistakes, sure. You could argue in a bo3 it would go differently, but I'm simply not going to buy that they play the same way.
Once you Goblak...
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
February 26 2013 19:52 GMT
#716
when bulldog plays bear, entangle is active skill.
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-26 19:54:15
February 26 2013 19:52 GMT
#717
edit:

zzzz
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-26 20:00:38
February 26 2013 19:55 GMT
#718
On February 27 2013 04:50 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 04:47 Jehct wrote:
On February 27 2013 04:43 teapoted wrote:
On February 27 2013 04:39 Jehct wrote:
On February 27 2013 04:37 teapoted wrote:
Did I mention how this Nth looks completely different than before?

They lost the trilane vs trilane, trixi was 2 levels behind where he should have been when the first teamfight happened, didn't have lasso for lifestealer and so they lost it... bulldog is 2 levels + 1k gold ahead (which let them take 2 towers uncontested) because trixi has massively thrown... this is the same old nth, just bad by fnatic. You don't feed a lone druid solo kills, ever
I don't know what you're talking about. But I'm talking about playstyle, and if you think it's the same as before, you never watched Nth play under EE.

It's the same playstyle they tried for a while with EE but every time they did they lost the aggressive trilane, and bulldog didn't get enough farm to compensate. They've just gone back to the way they played a month ago, except fnatic fed bulldog so it worked.
This is significantly more aggressive than they've ever played. It's significantly more based around pushing rather than farming than it was before, which means their supports aren't all level 1 and useless.

They might have tried something in the past, but trying and executing correctly isn't the same thing. And this game is the same as the other 5 games they played, and it's not the same as they used to play, get over it.

It's literally exactly the same as what they did for a while a month ago, back then they would over-commit on aggression and lose the trilane. I agree that their trilane v trilane execution/picks felt better but that game came down to trixi being massively behind and bulldog massively ahead. I can't even judge if they're actually executing better than a month ago (because they still went 3-5 in the trilane v trilane situation and got significantly less CS) because fnatic just completely fucked up. They've never been a team that doesn't know how to capitalise on a big advantage with lone druid lol

I guess what I'm saying is that "completely new nth" is tough to say when it's an older style they abandoned because it wasn't working; bringing it back with a new member makes sense, but if their trilane v trilane still sucks they'll have to abandon it again, and we haven't seen how else they play.
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
renfree
Profile Joined November 2012
4485 Posts
February 26 2013 20:00 GMT
#719
Professional Bat player.
What can change the nature of a man?
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
February 26 2013 20:01 GMT
#720
the difference is that, coming from a 3 position and far more aggressive, EGM + Akke allows nth to play a far more active dual roam support than they were able to to previously. With EE's relative low efficiency and obsession with afk-stacking, the team wasn't be able to deal with pressure well. However, this style is likely less stable and their midgame is can be weaker should the early game aggression not pan out due to the slightly less farm from stacking.
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