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wentzA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States79 Posts
May 16 2013 23:08 GMT
#8901
If you're playing Spectre and want to go radiance would you rush straight into it? Or build tranquils first? And what would a good target time be - and a good time where if you haven't got your relic yet, you should abandon the plan and start building something else?
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
May 16 2013 23:19 GMT
#8902
i like to atleast get normal boots even if i have perfect cs in lane. at level 6 its not hard to score kills with spec especially if your team is already winning.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 17 2013 00:30 GMT
#8903
On May 17 2013 08:08 wentzA wrote:
And what would a good target time be - and a good time where if you haven't got your relic yet, you should abandon the plan and start building something else?

This is something that depends alot on the teamcomps in question and the pace of the game. You can't really go "if I don't have Radiance at X time I'm going to build something else".

Generally you should sort of have a rough idea of how the next 10-15 minutes is going to pan out and base your decision on whether it's acceptable to go Radiance based on this estimate.
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zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
May 17 2013 04:17 GMT
#8904
On May 17 2013 01:01 Logo wrote:
I always found radiance spectre to be underwhelming in pubs, but maybe that's just me. With the general lack of disables and poor initiation the radiance just seems to leave me a bit worthless, especially if your team tends to stumble into fights at stupid times and you need to blow your ult's active to get to them. Then of course is the difficulty in getting radiance if your support/team is doing a crappy job of giving you some room to farm. Diff/Drums always seemed nice to me because you can be more active in the mid game and can snipe heroes in the weird small skirmishes pubbers find themselves in. Then again I'm a terrible spectre to begin with, but I'm just curious if that matches anyone else's experiences.


you're right, the yasha/drums/diffusal spec is often much more effective in pubs than people give it credit for. it's also a lot of fun to play.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
May 17 2013 04:28 GMT
#8905
I'm actually not TOO big of a fan of diffusal on spectre - I really like getting manta on her (a lot), and I feel like you need a heart as your second core item 99% of the time, so I rarely pick up diffusal on her.
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Bswhunter
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia954 Posts
May 17 2013 04:54 GMT
#8906
Why is the OP of this thread banned ?
How do you deal with pugnas ward?
Stop browsing and do whatever it is you're supposed to do. TL will still be here when you get back
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
May 17 2013 04:59 GMT
#8907
On May 17 2013 13:54 Bswhunter wrote:
Why is the OP of this thread banned ?
How do you deal with pugnas ward?

Kill it or bait it and engage out of range. It's pretty hard to completely shut down though.
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
May 17 2013 06:40 GMT
#8908
On May 17 2013 13:54 Bswhunter wrote:
Why is the OP of this thread banned ?
How do you deal with pugnas ward?

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Daaktard
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden380 Posts
May 17 2013 07:15 GMT
#8909
What's people's opinion on getting a couple of levels of stats on weaver early on? I usually go 1-4-1-1 and then stats for 3 lvls to boost my midgame presence. I often do this build if I'm solo vs 2 and have decent levels but somewhat mediocre farm.

The items i get are early tranqs and aquila into steam boots, urn and often a drum(maybe a RoH too) if that's of any relevance. I should get medallion more often though.
DrLovecraft
Profile Joined November 2012
United States108 Posts
May 17 2013 07:46 GMT
#8910
>Why was Tiny such a threat earlier in the game, and far less dangerous later?

Oh how far we've come

from a pure early game blink dagger ganker, to one of the hardest hitting late game carries
DrLovecraft
Profile Joined November 2012
United States108 Posts
May 17 2013 07:58 GMT
#8911
On May 17 2013 16:15 Daaktard wrote:
What's people's opinion on getting a couple of levels of stats on weaver early on? I usually go 1-4-1-1 and then stats for 3 lvls to boost my midgame presence. I often do this build if I'm solo vs 2 and have decent levels but somewhat mediocre farm.

The items i get are early tranqs and aquila into steam boots, urn and often a drum(maybe a RoH too) if that's of any relevance. I should get medallion more often though.


its not worth it to get stats on weaver, the extra damage that you will get from either of the skills alone is so much better than +2 stats

maxed bugs is 450 physical damage on full duration, the armor reduction makes it even hurt more and makes your auto attacks hurt more, besides the fact that bugs will probably be ignored for atleast half of the duration in a fight, thats around 200 damage dealt, plus armor reduction and vision and the time spent attacking bugs

maxed germinate is double damage every 2.5 seconds, germinate makes you hit so much harder and is crucial for that 1 last hit and makes you not over extend (situations where you have to back off after an attack, germinate hits after your attack hits so it gives you ample amount of time to back off and get the kill)

all stats are gonna give you is 114 hp and 6 agi/int which arent that bad but considering what youre trading away, I dont think its worth it

evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8912 Posts
May 17 2013 09:36 GMT
#8912
On May 17 2013 16:15 Daaktard wrote:
What's people's opinion on getting a couple of levels of stats on weaver early on? I usually go 1-4-1-1 and then stats for 3 lvls to boost my midgame presence. I often do this build if I'm solo vs 2 and have decent levels but somewhat mediocre farm.

The items i get are early tranqs and aquila into steam boots, urn and often a drum(maybe a RoH too) if that's of any relevance. I should get medallion more often though.


dont get stats. get swarm. seriously one of the most underrated skills in dota. it hurts so damn much early/mid game but people dont get it for some unknown reason.

GET SWARM
Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-17 10:45:57
May 17 2013 10:34 GMT
#8913
On May 17 2013 13:17 zeehar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 01:01 Logo wrote:
I always found radiance spectre to be underwhelming in pubs, but maybe that's just me. With the general lack of disables and poor initiation the radiance just seems to leave me a bit worthless, especially if your team tends to stumble into fights at stupid times and you need to blow your ult's active to get to them. Then of course is the difficulty in getting radiance if your support/team is doing a crappy job of giving you some room to farm. Diff/Drums always seemed nice to me because you can be more active in the mid game and can snipe heroes in the weird small skirmishes pubbers find themselves in. Then again I'm a terrible spectre to begin with, but I'm just curious if that matches anyone else's experiences.


you're right, the yasha/drums/diffusal spec is often much more effective in pubs than people give it credit for. it's also a lot of fun to play.


i would like to add something too.

When i play spectre generally i try to hit my enemy earlier. Spectre is one of the strongest 6 item carries but she can snowball like mad. Her Desolate is extremely strong at the beginning and (+65 PURE damage..) all her need is some kind of early game items. Her ulti works like KotL recall or Wisp Ultimate. You can farm freely and get ready when your team needs you at teamfights.

Yasha-Drums-Diffusal is ok too. But generally i use Drums-OoV-RoA trio. I know i know roa delays my diffusal and yasha but it costs less then 1k and with the help of OoV kiting is not a problem. (RoA gives 15 damage and stats while a regular broadsword gives 18 damage for 1200 gold.) RoA and Drums are the most cost effective items in the game and these 2 fits my spectre build perfectly.

Also level 1 dispersion increases your effective hp by %10 but level 2 dispersion only reflects %14 of your incoming damage. %4 is really small.

And please please. Never ever build a vanguard on her.
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-17 10:53:28
May 17 2013 10:53 GMT
#8914
Anyone got a couple of basic tips on supporting in dual lane vs dual lane situations with Venge? Every time I play her I feel utterly crippled by her range compared to other supports, and my carry always suffers as a result of me failing to trade/zone effectively.
maru~
Profile Joined February 2013
2345 Posts
May 17 2013 10:58 GMT
#8915
Just go roam.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 17 2013 11:00 GMT
#8916
Venge is a weak lane support due to her low range, damage, and lack of a real harassment skill. Either go roam or pull creeps. You're really not all that useful on lane.
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
May 17 2013 11:03 GMT
#8917
don't be in vision range unless you're actually accomplishing something (zoning out your lane opponents, killing people, etc)
that's the biggest mistake i see with supports
TOCHMY
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden1692 Posts
May 17 2013 13:56 GMT
#8918
Since when does Pajkatt play 3rd position in LGD.int? Misery on 1st positon now, according to liquipedia
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Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-17 14:01:42
May 17 2013 14:01 GMT
#8919
wrong thread, sorry
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NeoGeoOdin
Profile Joined October 2011
Colombia140 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-17 14:03:46
May 17 2013 14:02 GMT
#8920
So i have about 100 games
i play randorn for about 80 of those games and play about 60 heros (finaly decide to have Puck, Sven, Dra.K, Kunka and Axe like the most i like to play)

i do know just the baisc of all heroes but a few of them (like 10 or so)

I do know well about items and starting to use a personal build

But i do not know about counters or correct team comp (to me its a good initation set, good CC and AoE... and ofcourse a Carrie...)

Do you think its a good idea to start Captain Mode?
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