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Lalalaland34504 Posts
On April 28 2013 04:24 aintz wrote: you need to learn to accept it when you are wrong. Mate, argument aside, pot calling kettle black here.
Sheepstick is definitely a valid choice. It would be a much better way of disabling a Magnus/Enigma, for example.
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whats that chinese saying "playing piano to a cow" ive given many reason why abyssal is much much much better than sheep in a late game 6 slot situation but if you think sheep is better please keep getting it.
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'many reason' 'abyssal is much more effective against/on heroes like am and pl because after 5slots their attackspeed is insanely fast and bash cast/procs completely turn fights' At this point i can only think that you don't know how to read or you're just not able to see people points. You're playing PL like another hero, disregarding his illusions, wasting 8k gold on a item almost useless on him.
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wow you argue like a child. If people refuse to accept your opinion why dont you continue to convince them? Or you can agree to disagree in a civil manner rather than just insisting youre right and hes wrong like a 12yr old
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On April 28 2013 06:03 Erasme wrote: 'many reason' 'abyssal is much more effective against/on heroes like am and pl because after 5slots their attackspeed is insanely fast and bash cast/procs completely turn fights' At this point i can only think that you don't know how to read or you're just not able to see people points. You're playing PL like another hero, disregarding his illusions, wasting 8k gold on a item almost useless on him.
sheepstick does things for his illusions, oops i forgot about that damn those stats. but seriously i thought this thread is a thread made for better players to help weaker players. so why are you trying to teach me how to play? plus how many pro players do you see gets a sheep instead of abyssal as a 6th slot item on pl?
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Some of us want to hear the reasons behind these claims so we can better our understanding of the game.
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I'm not trying to teach you how to play, simply educating you on a hero that you don't seem to fully understand. Arguing with you is useless, I'm done
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im glad you finally realize you're nowhere close to my skill range. atleast have some backup to what you say next time, like "this progamer build sheep on pl", but im betting you couldnt find one even though pl is one of the most played heroes atm. and a bunch of them get abyssal as a 6th slot.
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
sheep range much better than abyssal range
also evasion removal
that being said i'd rather have an abyssal majority of time
aintz stop being a dick
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On April 28 2013 07:15 aintz wrote: im glad you finally realize you're nowhere close to my skill range. atleast have some backup to what you say next time, like "this progamer build sheep on pl", but im betting you couldnt find one even though pl is one of the most played heroes atm. and a bunch of them get abyssal as a 6th slot.
I just gave an example on the previous page of a pro match that happened yesterday where PL got sheep.
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3030 Posts
On April 28 2013 07:15 aintz wrote: im glad you finally realize you're nowhere close to my skill range. atleast have some backup to what you say next time, like "this progamer build sheep on pl", but im betting you couldnt find one even though pl is one of the most played heroes atm. and a bunch of them get abyssal as a 6th slot.
This logic of because pro did x or didn't do y so z item must be bad. Have you even watched games lately where western teams pick PL? Most don't even know how to play it properly and use illusions effectively.
On April 28 2013 05:49 aintz wrote: whats that chinese saying "playing piano to a cow" ive given many reason why abyssal is much much much better than sheep in a late game 6 slot situation but if you think sheep is better please keep getting it. Also don't go there with that skill crap. There are better players on these forums compared to you.
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removal of evasion is irrelevant since you should get mkb instead of sheep if you're facing a hero with evasion. sheep is by far one of the best items in the game (i refer to it as game changing item) but it is not an ideal 6th slot item for pl under most circumstances.
as for being a dick, erasme tells me "learn to read" which is basically what people do when they get defensive and got nothing more constructive to argue, i dont treat ppl like that nicely.
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On April 28 2013 07:57 blahz0r wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 07:15 aintz wrote: im glad you finally realize you're nowhere close to my skill range. atleast have some backup to what you say next time, like "this progamer build sheep on pl", but im betting you couldnt find one even though pl is one of the most played heroes atm. and a bunch of them get abyssal as a 6th slot. This logic of because pro did x or didn't do y so z item must be bad. Have you even watched games lately where western teams pick PL? Most don't even know how to play it properly and use illusions effectively. Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:49 aintz wrote: whats that chinese saying "playing piano to a cow" ive given many reason why abyssal is much much much better than sheep in a late game 6 slot situation but if you think sheep is better please keep getting it. Also don't go there with that skill crap. There are better players on these forums compared to you.
im sorry, that first point was meant to be sarcastic, i shouldnt have said it because i myself dont value what most progamers do on x heroes. i only said it because you see a lot of newer people doing that and i was just trying to relate.
ive played with erasme and firebolt in inhouses and they know im a much more solid player than them. im sure there are better ppl on the forum compared to me, tl is huge, my point was that in a thread like this i assume we are trying to answer other players question with the most applicable answer, not some gimmicky one that doesnt belong. i could build whatever i want on carries and probably still win games but i dont suggest others to do it.
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Lalalaland34504 Posts
On April 28 2013 08:13 aintz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 07:57 blahz0r wrote:On April 28 2013 07:15 aintz wrote: im glad you finally realize you're nowhere close to my skill range. atleast have some backup to what you say next time, like "this progamer build sheep on pl", but im betting you couldnt find one even though pl is one of the most played heroes atm. and a bunch of them get abyssal as a 6th slot. This logic of because pro did x or didn't do y so z item must be bad. Have you even watched games lately where western teams pick PL? Most don't even know how to play it properly and use illusions effectively. On April 28 2013 05:49 aintz wrote: whats that chinese saying "playing piano to a cow" ive given many reason why abyssal is much much much better than sheep in a late game 6 slot situation but if you think sheep is better please keep getting it. Also don't go there with that skill crap. There are better players on these forums compared to you. ive played with erasme and firebolt in inhouses and they know im a much more solid player than them. I dunno mate we're more reliable in the way people don't expect us to ragequit games
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On April 28 2013 08:16 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 08:13 aintz wrote:On April 28 2013 07:57 blahz0r wrote:On April 28 2013 07:15 aintz wrote: im glad you finally realize you're nowhere close to my skill range. atleast have some backup to what you say next time, like "this progamer build sheep on pl", but im betting you couldnt find one even though pl is one of the most played heroes atm. and a bunch of them get abyssal as a 6th slot. This logic of because pro did x or didn't do y so z item must be bad. Have you even watched games lately where western teams pick PL? Most don't even know how to play it properly and use illusions effectively. On April 28 2013 05:49 aintz wrote: whats that chinese saying "playing piano to a cow" ive given many reason why abyssal is much much much better than sheep in a late game 6 slot situation but if you think sheep is better please keep getting it. Also don't go there with that skill crap. There are better players on these forums compared to you. ive played with erasme and firebolt in inhouses and they know im a much more solid player than them. I dunno mate we're more reliable in the way people don't expect us to ragequit games 
when i play with players who do stupid things, dont take advice and talk shit why would i waste my time playing with them (if it was a league or mm i would report them and get them warned). there are plenty of other players that do the samething.
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United States47024 Posts
This is getting way off topic. Let's just leave this discussion where it is. If you have further issues take it to PMs.
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how am i supposed to farm as a melee hero vs darkseer?
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On April 28 2013 10:18 mizU wrote: how am i supposed to farm as a melee hero vs darkseer?
Nothing you can do without taking a ton of damage. That just how laning vs a darkseer as a melee carry is. All you can do is reduce the amount of damage taken from the ion shell as much as possible. Even range carries can have trouble with the ion shell damage.
So best way is to get your supports to help zone/kill that darkseer. 2nd best way is to reduce damage taken by reducing time spent in ion shell. 3rd way which is situation but i've seen it anyway, get enough regen. example AM being a Battlefury builder went for the ROH first. With some use of tangos the ROH should be enough
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Tranquils + ROH. Ion Shell doesn't break Tranquils.
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Quelling blade to help kill creeps fast, a fast midas can also get you rid of the ion shell ( even if i hate that item and tell people to never get it)
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