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TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
December 06 2012 17:50 GMT
#5121
Hey guys, im a dota 2 noob (been playing for about 2 weeks). Most hero abilities and smill builds are intuitive but im horrible at knowing what items to get.

What items should i get as death prophet to remain competitive in the late game? It seems like she doesnt scale well with other heros once all the abilities are maxed.

As sniper should i be prioritizing agility, attack speed or damage. My current build arter the initial items is usually something like power treads ---> shadow blade ---> desolator ---> deadulus ---> mjiolinir ( or however its spelled).
Is manta style a good item for sniper?

Thanks and sorry if these are rlly nooby questions

Dodge arrows
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 17:56:49
December 06 2012 17:54 GMT
#5122
No problem, this is a good place to ask.

She's not a super hard carry, but she can still be a good source of damage with her ult. She focuses on lots of survivability with fast move speed to move around without dying while her ult kills stuff.

Boots can be phase boots or arcane boots. The other boots are also good options but phase/arcanes will be best in most games.

Get a wand and a bottle if you're solo mid. If you can farm it quickly, a quick bloodstone works (preferably around 20-25 minutes). Shivas and sheepstick are stereotypical items though a heart will also work well.

Those items for sniper are all good ones, though a manta is also very good. There is no 'you should completely focus on attack speed/damage', both are good, although having faster attack speed for more headshot procs is nice. You should also consider an MKB if you're against any evasion like windrunner/PA/butterflies etc.
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TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 18:15:19
December 06 2012 18:09 GMT
#5123
On December 07 2012 02:54 Firebolt145 wrote:
No problem, this is a good place to ask.

She's not a super hard carry, but she can still be a good source of damage with her ult. She focuses on lots of survivability with fast move speed to move around without dying while her ult kills stuff.

Boots can be phase boots or arcane boots. The other boots are also good options but phase/arcanes will be best in most games.

Get a wand and a bottle if you're solo mid. If you can farm it quickly, a quick bloodstone works (preferably around 20-25 minutes). Shivas and sheepstick are stereotypical items though a heart will also work well.

Those items for sniper are all good ones, though a manta is also very good. There is no 'you should completely focus on attack speed/damage', both are good, although having faster attack speed for more headshot procs is nice. You should also consider an MKB if you're against any evasion like windrunner/PA/butterflies etc.

Thanks for the reply. For death prophet I'm copying a build a friend showed me where i get arcane boots, eventually disassemble them to build the final item for bloodstone, then use the boots of speed to make phase boots (at which point I no longer need the mana regen of arcane boots). I'm more asking what lategame items i should after that though? If I'm a tanky hero should i be considering heart of torrasque? That seems like it would allow to better help pushes in conjunction with my ult. There was also an item that cost 4700 that let me cast a circle of frost around myself that seemed pretty good (forget the name)
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
December 06 2012 18:37 GMT
#5124
if you're new just build recommended items, they're decent enough

also i think the best cookie cutter build for dp is
boots + wand + bottle + bracer > jango + mek > pipe, shivas, or sheep
ZerG~LegenD
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Sweden1179 Posts
December 06 2012 18:39 GMT
#5125
On December 07 2012 03:09 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 02:54 Firebolt145 wrote:
No problem, this is a good place to ask.

She's not a super hard carry, but she can still be a good source of damage with her ult. She focuses on lots of survivability with fast move speed to move around without dying while her ult kills stuff.

Boots can be phase boots or arcane boots. The other boots are also good options but phase/arcanes will be best in most games.

Get a wand and a bottle if you're solo mid. If you can farm it quickly, a quick bloodstone works (preferably around 20-25 minutes). Shivas and sheepstick are stereotypical items though a heart will also work well.

Those items for sniper are all good ones, though a manta is also very good. There is no 'you should completely focus on attack speed/damage', both are good, although having faster attack speed for more headshot procs is nice. You should also consider an MKB if you're against any evasion like windrunner/PA/butterflies etc.

Thanks for the reply. For death prophet I'm copying a build a friend showed me where i get arcane boots, eventually disassemble them to build the final item for bloodstone, then use the boots of speed to make phase boots (at which point I no longer need the mana regen of arcane boots). I'm more asking what lategame items i should after that though? If I'm a tanky hero should i be considering heart of torrasque? That seems like it would allow to better help pushes in conjunction with my ult. There was also an item that cost 4700 that let me cast a circle of frost around myself that seemed pretty good (forget the name)

The item is Shiva's Guard and it's a good option if the enemy does a lot of physical damage since it provides a lot of armor and also slows them down. Shiva or Heart are generally the two best options after Bloodstone.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
December 06 2012 18:42 GMT
#5126
On December 07 2012 03:09 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 02:54 Firebolt145 wrote:
No problem, this is a good place to ask.

She's not a super hard carry, but she can still be a good source of damage with her ult. She focuses on lots of survivability with fast move speed to move around without dying while her ult kills stuff.

Boots can be phase boots or arcane boots. The other boots are also good options but phase/arcanes will be best in most games.

Get a wand and a bottle if you're solo mid. If you can farm it quickly, a quick bloodstone works (preferably around 20-25 minutes). Shivas and sheepstick are stereotypical items though a heart will also work well.

Those items for sniper are all good ones, though a manta is also very good. There is no 'you should completely focus on attack speed/damage', both are good, although having faster attack speed for more headshot procs is nice. You should also consider an MKB if you're against any evasion like windrunner/PA/butterflies etc.

Thanks for the reply. For death prophet I'm copying a build a friend showed me where i get arcane boots, eventually disassemble them to build the final item for bloodstone, then use the boots of speed to make phase boots (at which point I no longer need the mana regen of arcane boots). I'm more asking what lategame items i should after that though? If I'm a tanky hero should i be considering heart of torrasque? That seems like it would allow to better help pushes in conjunction with my ult. There was also an item that cost 4700 that let me cast a circle of frost around myself that seemed pretty good (forget the name)

Ah yes, that boots disassemble trick is a good one, I just thought I shouldn't bring it up just yet if you're new. But it seems you're ahead of most people there!

The item you're thinking about is Shiva's guard, and that is indeed an excellent choice. BKB, Heart, Sheepstick are 3 other items that you should get late game.

An example final 6 slot death prophet would have phase boots, bloodstone, sheepstick, shivas, heart, and a TP. Throw in a BKB somewhere there if necessary and sell the phase boots for boots of travels in the very late game.
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jergason
Profile Joined May 2010
United States37 Posts
December 06 2012 19:48 GMT
#5127
What items from the secret shop can you buy at the side shop? I thought I saw someone buy a ring of regen (can't remember what it is called, the one you need for perseverance) at a side shop today, but it looks like it is secret-shop only in game?
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
December 06 2012 19:50 GMT
#5128
Of the top of my head it's ring of health and energy booster
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
December 06 2012 19:52 GMT
#5129
And orb of venom, never forget orb of venom! :<
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 19:52:35
December 06 2012 19:52 GMT
#5130
yep, you can also get Orb of Venom.

fucking ninjas man... ninjas.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 06 2012 19:53 GMT
#5131
Yeah, not sure on the logic of OoV being available at secret and side but not base shop...

I can't think of any more than those 3.
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LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
December 06 2012 21:08 GMT
#5132
On December 07 2012 03:42 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 03:09 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On December 07 2012 02:54 Firebolt145 wrote:
No problem, this is a good place to ask.

She's not a super hard carry, but she can still be a good source of damage with her ult. She focuses on lots of survivability with fast move speed to move around without dying while her ult kills stuff.

Boots can be phase boots or arcane boots. The other boots are also good options but phase/arcanes will be best in most games.

Get a wand and a bottle if you're solo mid. If you can farm it quickly, a quick bloodstone works (preferably around 20-25 minutes). Shivas and sheepstick are stereotypical items though a heart will also work well.

Those items for sniper are all good ones, though a manta is also very good. There is no 'you should completely focus on attack speed/damage', both are good, although having faster attack speed for more headshot procs is nice. You should also consider an MKB if you're against any evasion like windrunner/PA/butterflies etc.

Thanks for the reply. For death prophet I'm copying a build a friend showed me where i get arcane boots, eventually disassemble them to build the final item for bloodstone, then use the boots of speed to make phase boots (at which point I no longer need the mana regen of arcane boots). I'm more asking what lategame items i should after that though? If I'm a tanky hero should i be considering heart of torrasque? That seems like it would allow to better help pushes in conjunction with my ult. There was also an item that cost 4700 that let me cast a circle of frost around myself that seemed pretty good (forget the name)

Ah yes, that boots disassemble trick is a good one, I just thought I shouldn't bring it up just yet if you're new. But it seems you're ahead of most people there!

The item you're thinking about is Shiva's guard, and that is indeed an excellent choice. BKB, Heart, Sheepstick are 3 other items that you should get late game.

An example final 6 slot death prophet would have phase boots, bloodstone, sheepstick, shivas, heart, and a TP. Throw in a BKB somewhere there if necessary and sell the phase boots for boots of travels in the very late game.


I don't agree with BKB on DP. You should build tanky enough that nukes don't matter much (if they have a lot you should get pipe), and any disables on your are kind of wasted as long as your ulti is out.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
December 06 2012 21:19 GMT
#5133
On December 07 2012 06:08 LAN-f34r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 03:42 Firebolt145 wrote:
On December 07 2012 03:09 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On December 07 2012 02:54 Firebolt145 wrote:
No problem, this is a good place to ask.

She's not a super hard carry, but she can still be a good source of damage with her ult. She focuses on lots of survivability with fast move speed to move around without dying while her ult kills stuff.

Boots can be phase boots or arcane boots. The other boots are also good options but phase/arcanes will be best in most games.

Get a wand and a bottle if you're solo mid. If you can farm it quickly, a quick bloodstone works (preferably around 20-25 minutes). Shivas and sheepstick are stereotypical items though a heart will also work well.

Those items for sniper are all good ones, though a manta is also very good. There is no 'you should completely focus on attack speed/damage', both are good, although having faster attack speed for more headshot procs is nice. You should also consider an MKB if you're against any evasion like windrunner/PA/butterflies etc.

Thanks for the reply. For death prophet I'm copying a build a friend showed me where i get arcane boots, eventually disassemble them to build the final item for bloodstone, then use the boots of speed to make phase boots (at which point I no longer need the mana regen of arcane boots). I'm more asking what lategame items i should after that though? If I'm a tanky hero should i be considering heart of torrasque? That seems like it would allow to better help pushes in conjunction with my ult. There was also an item that cost 4700 that let me cast a circle of frost around myself that seemed pretty good (forget the name)

Ah yes, that boots disassemble trick is a good one, I just thought I shouldn't bring it up just yet if you're new. But it seems you're ahead of most people there!

The item you're thinking about is Shiva's guard, and that is indeed an excellent choice. BKB, Heart, Sheepstick are 3 other items that you should get late game.

An example final 6 slot death prophet would have phase boots, bloodstone, sheepstick, shivas, heart, and a TP. Throw in a BKB somewhere there if necessary and sell the phase boots for boots of travels in the very late game.


I don't agree with BKB on DP. You should build tanky enough that nukes don't matter much (if they have a lot you should get pipe), and any disables on your are kind of wasted as long as your ulti is out.

You can't really 'build tanky enough that nukes don't matter much'. bkb is really good on dp
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12088 Posts
December 06 2012 21:53 GMT
#5134
If you build BKB you don't attract stuns. As long as you have ulti active and don't risk dying then attracting CC is a good thing for krob.
njt7
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden769 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 22:13:30
December 06 2012 22:13 GMT
#5135
On December 07 2012 03:09 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 02:54 Firebolt145 wrote:
No problem, this is a good place to ask.

She's not a super hard carry, but she can still be a good source of damage with her ult. She focuses on lots of survivability with fast move speed to move around without dying while her ult kills stuff.

Boots can be phase boots or arcane boots. The other boots are also good options but phase/arcanes will be best in most games.

Get a wand and a bottle if you're solo mid. If you can farm it quickly, a quick bloodstone works (preferably around 20-25 minutes). Shivas and sheepstick are stereotypical items though a heart will also work well.

Those items for sniper are all good ones, though a manta is also very good. There is no 'you should completely focus on attack speed/damage', both are good, although having faster attack speed for more headshot procs is nice. You should also consider an MKB if you're against any evasion like windrunner/PA/butterflies etc.

Thanks for the reply. For death prophet I'm copying a build a friend showed me where i get arcane boots, eventually disassemble them to build the final item for bloodstone, then use the boots of speed to make phase boots (at which point I no longer need the mana regen of arcane boots). I'm more asking what lategame items i should after that though? If I'm a tanky hero should i be considering heart of torrasque? That seems like it would allow to better help pushes in conjunction with my ult. There was also an item that cost 4700 that let me cast a circle of frost around myself that seemed pretty good (forget the name)


I just played a death prophet game earlier. I did pretty good and my items is more luxurious then you would usually get. The bread and butter item for death prophet would be bloodstone I say. The viper gave me a lot for free, his dotabuff page looks alright not sure what happend maybe he was drunk. You could take a look at the game here:https://dotabuff.com/matches/73963195 to see a few DP tricks. That ulti is fucking massive.

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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 23:18:00
December 06 2012 23:17 GMT
#5136
I would say BKB on Krob is situational. Most of the time I would advocate heart over it, but there are times I think BKB would be good.
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canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 23:50:09
December 06 2012 23:49 GMT
#5137
BKB on dp is an extreme defensive item. Most of the time you don't really need it. Since DP has silence spell that can be casted from 900 range and have huge 350 radius, most of the time you shouldn't worry about getting stunned. Her superior speed and items such as shiva, eul let her outrun most stunners in the game, and if you can't outrun them, silence them and tp out is still a good solution.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
December 07 2012 01:22 GMT
#5138
The good thing about DP is that even when she is disabled she does damage with ghosts, as such BKB is not an item often gotten on her.
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LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
December 07 2012 01:36 GMT
#5139
Unless you go a lot of BKBs and your BKB-less supports have really good positioning (read - not in pubs), then SOMEONE is going to have spells cast on them. You don't really care if you are stunned, and are tanky enough to take the nukes. As such, BKB is kinda a waste.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
December 07 2012 02:40 GMT
#5140
Needs more Eul's
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