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Hey guys, im a dota 2 noob (been playing for about 2 weeks). Most hero abilities and smill builds are intuitive but im horrible at knowing what items to get.
What items should i get as death prophet to remain competitive in the late game? It seems like she doesnt scale well with other heros once all the abilities are maxed.
As sniper should i be prioritizing agility, attack speed or damage. My current build arter the initial items is usually something like power treads ---> shadow blade ---> desolator ---> deadulus ---> mjiolinir ( or however its spelled). Is manta style a good item for sniper?
Thanks and sorry if these are rlly nooby questions
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Lalalaland34503 Posts
No problem, this is a good place to ask.
She's not a super hard carry, but she can still be a good source of damage with her ult. She focuses on lots of survivability with fast move speed to move around without dying while her ult kills stuff.
Boots can be phase boots or arcane boots. The other boots are also good options but phase/arcanes will be best in most games.
Get a wand and a bottle if you're solo mid. If you can farm it quickly, a quick bloodstone works (preferably around 20-25 minutes). Shivas and sheepstick are stereotypical items though a heart will also work well.
Those items for sniper are all good ones, though a manta is also very good. There is no 'you should completely focus on attack speed/damage', both are good, although having faster attack speed for more headshot procs is nice. You should also consider an MKB if you're against any evasion like windrunner/PA/butterflies etc.
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On December 07 2012 02:54 Firebolt145 wrote: No problem, this is a good place to ask.
She's not a super hard carry, but she can still be a good source of damage with her ult. She focuses on lots of survivability with fast move speed to move around without dying while her ult kills stuff.
Boots can be phase boots or arcane boots. The other boots are also good options but phase/arcanes will be best in most games.
Get a wand and a bottle if you're solo mid. If you can farm it quickly, a quick bloodstone works (preferably around 20-25 minutes). Shivas and sheepstick are stereotypical items though a heart will also work well.
Those items for sniper are all good ones, though a manta is also very good. There is no 'you should completely focus on attack speed/damage', both are good, although having faster attack speed for more headshot procs is nice. You should also consider an MKB if you're against any evasion like windrunner/PA/butterflies etc. Thanks for the reply. For death prophet I'm copying a build a friend showed me where i get arcane boots, eventually disassemble them to build the final item for bloodstone, then use the boots of speed to make phase boots (at which point I no longer need the mana regen of arcane boots). I'm more asking what lategame items i should after that though? If I'm a tanky hero should i be considering heart of torrasque? That seems like it would allow to better help pushes in conjunction with my ult. There was also an item that cost 4700 that let me cast a circle of frost around myself that seemed pretty good (forget the name)
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if you're new just build recommended items, they're decent enough
also i think the best cookie cutter build for dp is boots + wand + bottle + bracer > jango + mek > pipe, shivas, or sheep
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On December 07 2012 03:09 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 02:54 Firebolt145 wrote: No problem, this is a good place to ask.
She's not a super hard carry, but she can still be a good source of damage with her ult. She focuses on lots of survivability with fast move speed to move around without dying while her ult kills stuff.
Boots can be phase boots or arcane boots. The other boots are also good options but phase/arcanes will be best in most games.
Get a wand and a bottle if you're solo mid. If you can farm it quickly, a quick bloodstone works (preferably around 20-25 minutes). Shivas and sheepstick are stereotypical items though a heart will also work well.
Those items for sniper are all good ones, though a manta is also very good. There is no 'you should completely focus on attack speed/damage', both are good, although having faster attack speed for more headshot procs is nice. You should also consider an MKB if you're against any evasion like windrunner/PA/butterflies etc. Thanks for the reply. For death prophet I'm copying a build a friend showed me where i get arcane boots, eventually disassemble them to build the final item for bloodstone, then use the boots of speed to make phase boots (at which point I no longer need the mana regen of arcane boots). I'm more asking what lategame items i should after that though? If I'm a tanky hero should i be considering heart of torrasque? That seems like it would allow to better help pushes in conjunction with my ult. There was also an item that cost 4700 that let me cast a circle of frost around myself that seemed pretty good (forget the name) The item is Shiva's Guard and it's a good option if the enemy does a lot of physical damage since it provides a lot of armor and also slows them down. Shiva or Heart are generally the two best options after Bloodstone.
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Lalalaland34503 Posts
On December 07 2012 03:09 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 02:54 Firebolt145 wrote: No problem, this is a good place to ask.
She's not a super hard carry, but she can still be a good source of damage with her ult. She focuses on lots of survivability with fast move speed to move around without dying while her ult kills stuff.
Boots can be phase boots or arcane boots. The other boots are also good options but phase/arcanes will be best in most games.
Get a wand and a bottle if you're solo mid. If you can farm it quickly, a quick bloodstone works (preferably around 20-25 minutes). Shivas and sheepstick are stereotypical items though a heart will also work well.
Those items for sniper are all good ones, though a manta is also very good. There is no 'you should completely focus on attack speed/damage', both are good, although having faster attack speed for more headshot procs is nice. You should also consider an MKB if you're against any evasion like windrunner/PA/butterflies etc. Thanks for the reply. For death prophet I'm copying a build a friend showed me where i get arcane boots, eventually disassemble them to build the final item for bloodstone, then use the boots of speed to make phase boots (at which point I no longer need the mana regen of arcane boots). I'm more asking what lategame items i should after that though? If I'm a tanky hero should i be considering heart of torrasque? That seems like it would allow to better help pushes in conjunction with my ult. There was also an item that cost 4700 that let me cast a circle of frost around myself that seemed pretty good (forget the name) Ah yes, that boots disassemble trick is a good one, I just thought I shouldn't bring it up just yet if you're new. But it seems you're ahead of most people there!
The item you're thinking about is Shiva's guard, and that is indeed an excellent choice. BKB, Heart, Sheepstick are 3 other items that you should get late game.
An example final 6 slot death prophet would have phase boots, bloodstone, sheepstick, shivas, heart, and a TP. Throw in a BKB somewhere there if necessary and sell the phase boots for boots of travels in the very late game.
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What items from the secret shop can you buy at the side shop? I thought I saw someone buy a ring of regen (can't remember what it is called, the one you need for perseverance) at a side shop today, but it looks like it is secret-shop only in game?
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Of the top of my head it's ring of health and energy booster
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Lalalaland34503 Posts
And orb of venom, never forget orb of venom! :<
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yep, you can also get Orb of Venom.
fucking ninjas man... ninjas.
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Yeah, not sure on the logic of OoV being available at secret and side but not base shop...
I can't think of any more than those 3.
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On December 07 2012 03:42 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 03:09 TheSubtleArt wrote:On December 07 2012 02:54 Firebolt145 wrote: No problem, this is a good place to ask.
She's not a super hard carry, but she can still be a good source of damage with her ult. She focuses on lots of survivability with fast move speed to move around without dying while her ult kills stuff.
Boots can be phase boots or arcane boots. The other boots are also good options but phase/arcanes will be best in most games.
Get a wand and a bottle if you're solo mid. If you can farm it quickly, a quick bloodstone works (preferably around 20-25 minutes). Shivas and sheepstick are stereotypical items though a heart will also work well.
Those items for sniper are all good ones, though a manta is also very good. There is no 'you should completely focus on attack speed/damage', both are good, although having faster attack speed for more headshot procs is nice. You should also consider an MKB if you're against any evasion like windrunner/PA/butterflies etc. Thanks for the reply. For death prophet I'm copying a build a friend showed me where i get arcane boots, eventually disassemble them to build the final item for bloodstone, then use the boots of speed to make phase boots (at which point I no longer need the mana regen of arcane boots). I'm more asking what lategame items i should after that though? If I'm a tanky hero should i be considering heart of torrasque? That seems like it would allow to better help pushes in conjunction with my ult. There was also an item that cost 4700 that let me cast a circle of frost around myself that seemed pretty good (forget the name) Ah yes, that boots disassemble trick is a good one, I just thought I shouldn't bring it up just yet if you're new. But it seems you're ahead of most people there! The item you're thinking about is Shiva's guard, and that is indeed an excellent choice. BKB, Heart, Sheepstick are 3 other items that you should get late game. An example final 6 slot death prophet would have phase boots, bloodstone, sheepstick, shivas, heart, and a TP. Throw in a BKB somewhere there if necessary and sell the phase boots for boots of travels in the very late game.
I don't agree with BKB on DP. You should build tanky enough that nukes don't matter much (if they have a lot you should get pipe), and any disables on your are kind of wasted as long as your ulti is out.
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On December 07 2012 06:08 LAN-f34r wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 03:42 Firebolt145 wrote:On December 07 2012 03:09 TheSubtleArt wrote:On December 07 2012 02:54 Firebolt145 wrote: No problem, this is a good place to ask.
She's not a super hard carry, but she can still be a good source of damage with her ult. She focuses on lots of survivability with fast move speed to move around without dying while her ult kills stuff.
Boots can be phase boots or arcane boots. The other boots are also good options but phase/arcanes will be best in most games.
Get a wand and a bottle if you're solo mid. If you can farm it quickly, a quick bloodstone works (preferably around 20-25 minutes). Shivas and sheepstick are stereotypical items though a heart will also work well.
Those items for sniper are all good ones, though a manta is also very good. There is no 'you should completely focus on attack speed/damage', both are good, although having faster attack speed for more headshot procs is nice. You should also consider an MKB if you're against any evasion like windrunner/PA/butterflies etc. Thanks for the reply. For death prophet I'm copying a build a friend showed me where i get arcane boots, eventually disassemble them to build the final item for bloodstone, then use the boots of speed to make phase boots (at which point I no longer need the mana regen of arcane boots). I'm more asking what lategame items i should after that though? If I'm a tanky hero should i be considering heart of torrasque? That seems like it would allow to better help pushes in conjunction with my ult. There was also an item that cost 4700 that let me cast a circle of frost around myself that seemed pretty good (forget the name) Ah yes, that boots disassemble trick is a good one, I just thought I shouldn't bring it up just yet if you're new. But it seems you're ahead of most people there! The item you're thinking about is Shiva's guard, and that is indeed an excellent choice. BKB, Heart, Sheepstick are 3 other items that you should get late game. An example final 6 slot death prophet would have phase boots, bloodstone, sheepstick, shivas, heart, and a TP. Throw in a BKB somewhere there if necessary and sell the phase boots for boots of travels in the very late game. I don't agree with BKB on DP. You should build tanky enough that nukes don't matter much (if they have a lot you should get pipe), and any disables on your are kind of wasted as long as your ulti is out. You can't really 'build tanky enough that nukes don't matter much'. bkb is really good on dp
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If you build BKB you don't attract stuns. As long as you have ulti active and don't risk dying then attracting CC is a good thing for krob.
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On December 07 2012 03:09 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 02:54 Firebolt145 wrote: No problem, this is a good place to ask.
She's not a super hard carry, but she can still be a good source of damage with her ult. She focuses on lots of survivability with fast move speed to move around without dying while her ult kills stuff.
Boots can be phase boots or arcane boots. The other boots are also good options but phase/arcanes will be best in most games.
Get a wand and a bottle if you're solo mid. If you can farm it quickly, a quick bloodstone works (preferably around 20-25 minutes). Shivas and sheepstick are stereotypical items though a heart will also work well.
Those items for sniper are all good ones, though a manta is also very good. There is no 'you should completely focus on attack speed/damage', both are good, although having faster attack speed for more headshot procs is nice. You should also consider an MKB if you're against any evasion like windrunner/PA/butterflies etc. Thanks for the reply. For death prophet I'm copying a build a friend showed me where i get arcane boots, eventually disassemble them to build the final item for bloodstone, then use the boots of speed to make phase boots (at which point I no longer need the mana regen of arcane boots). I'm more asking what lategame items i should after that though? If I'm a tanky hero should i be considering heart of torrasque? That seems like it would allow to better help pushes in conjunction with my ult. There was also an item that cost 4700 that let me cast a circle of frost around myself that seemed pretty good (forget the name)
I just played a death prophet game earlier. I did pretty good and my items is more luxurious then you would usually get. The bread and butter item for death prophet would be bloodstone I say. The viper gave me a lot for free, his dotabuff page looks alright not sure what happend maybe he was drunk. You could take a look at the game here:https://dotabuff.com/matches/73963195 to see a few DP tricks. That ulti is fucking massive.
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Lalalaland34503 Posts
I would say BKB on Krob is situational. Most of the time I would advocate heart over it, but there are times I think BKB would be good.
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BKB on dp is an extreme defensive item. Most of the time you don't really need it. Since DP has silence spell that can be casted from 900 range and have huge 350 radius, most of the time you shouldn't worry about getting stunned. Her superior speed and items such as shiva, eul let her outrun most stunners in the game, and if you can't outrun them, silence them and tp out is still a good solution.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
The good thing about DP is that even when she is disabled she does damage with ghosts, as such BKB is not an item often gotten on her.
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Unless you go a lot of BKBs and your BKB-less supports have really good positioning (read - not in pubs), then SOMEONE is going to have spells cast on them. You don't really care if you are stunned, and are tanky enough to take the nukes. As such, BKB is kinda a waste.
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