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nRoot
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany928 Posts
February 07 2016 10:28 GMT
#23461
Ok I see, the other players having a lower unranked MMR seems plausible, I just had my 4.7k NP cliff jungling radiant ancients lvl 1 (we were Dire) which made me look at his profile which I never really did before in unranked
Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
February 07 2016 11:58 GMT
#23462
On February 07 2016 19:21 Orome wrote:
I think the more likely scenario is that the 4k players have lower unranked.

True, all adds up, forgot to mention it could other way around too.
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-07 16:25:23
February 07 2016 16:14 GMT
#23463
On February 07 2016 18:59 nRoot wrote:
Why am I matched with 3.5k - 4.5k (solo) players in normal matchmaking when I only sit at 2.5k (solo) ranked and in my ranked matches there is never even a single 3k mmr solo player?


On February 07 2016 19:13 Velzi wrote:
It is loosened but it could also be the fact that ur unranked hidden mmr is higher than ur ranked mmr. Maybe u havent played a lot of ranked and have shit ton of unranked games so ur ranked mmr is lagging behind ur actual skill level.


On February 07 2016 19:21 Orome wrote:
I think the more likely scenario is that the 4k players have lower unranked.


The total lack of 3k+ players in his ranked matches, with his median unranked opponent at 3.5k+, shows that his unranked skill rating is considerably higher than his MMR. He can confirm that by checking which of his games/replays are flagged as 'High skill' or 'Very High skill'; a ranked game full of 2.5k players being flagged as VHS is unheard of.

If your ranked games are all Normal, but you get into Very High skill games in unranked, you have a skill gap.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
February 07 2016 18:47 GMT
#23464
On February 07 2016 19:28 nRoot wrote:
Ok I see, the other players having a lower unranked MMR seems plausible, I just had my 4.7k NP cliff jungling radiant ancients lvl 1 (we were Dire) which made me look at his profile which I never really did before in unranked


Sometimes people really don't give a damn in unranked tbh. So ranked mmr doesn't mean jack.
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DV G
Profile Joined September 2012
Argentina2339 Posts
February 07 2016 21:15 GMT
#23465
I agree.

I'm 5k ranked and when i play unranked I mostly:
1-Try new heroes or combos
2-Experience builds
3-Play odd lanes
4-Have fun and not try much
5-get matched with 3ks A LOT.


Thats probably because I havent played unranked much compared to ranked and as people have said you tend to "LAG" in one of the two MMRs you have, because you usually main one queue.

Anyway you should think too much of a 4k NP cliffjunging, since he CAN WELL GET TO 4k by just cliffjunging.
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-08 02:30:05
February 07 2016 23:40 GMT
#23466
On February 08 2016 01:14 Buckyman wrote:
The total lack of 3k+ players in his ranked matches, with his median unranked opponent at 3.5k+, shows that his unranked skill rating is considerably higher than his MMR. He can confirm that by checking which of his games/replays are flagged as 'High skill' or 'Very High skill'; a ranked game full of 2.5k players being flagged as VHS is unheard of.

If your ranked games are all Normal, but you get into Very High skill games in unranked, you have a skill gap.

This assumes that eveyrone's unranked MMR is accurate except yours, and also assumes their profile ranked MMRs are accurate as well.

The better assumption is that everyone's unranked MMR is junk, including your own.
Jct0064
Profile Joined February 2015
40 Posts
February 08 2016 06:30 GMT
#23467
Did anyone know why ember's pick rate has increased by 15% since the 5th? I am trying to learn the hero, it is really annoying
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7086 Posts
February 08 2016 06:39 GMT
#23468
On February 08 2016 15:30 Jct0064 wrote:
Did anyone know why ember's pick rate has increased by 15% since the 5th? I am trying to learn the hero, it is really annoying


probably because of http://blog.dota2.com/2016/02/new-quest-path-of-the-blossom/
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
February 08 2016 06:50 GMT
#23469
On February 08 2016 08:40 Belisarius wrote:This assumes that eveyrone's unranked MMR is accurate except yours, and also assumes their profile ranked MMRs are accurate as well.

The better assumption is that everyone's unranked MMR is junk, including your own.


He can do better than that due to his circumstances, since the highest MMR he ever sees in Ranked is lower than the lowest MMR he sees in unranked. If it were an issue of junk MMR, but without any actual skill skew between his two sets of opponents, he'd see errors in both directions in unranked games; he'd frequently be matched with or against players with much lower MMR than his own.
Howie_Dewitt
Profile Joined March 2014
United States1416 Posts
February 08 2016 19:22 GMT
#23470
I'm trying to increase my party mmr, and I've been doing ranked party a lot to raise it.
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/125848928
All of the party ranked games were with kufly, so look for those for examples.
Was there anything that I did that was just terrible and easy to solve?
Sisyphus had a good gig going, the disappointment was predictable. | Visions of the Country (1978) is for when you're lost.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
February 08 2016 19:50 GMT
#23471
can you register with yasp.co so i can look a little deeper into the replays without having to watch the entire thing?
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Howie_Dewitt
Profile Joined March 2014
United States1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-08 21:08:11
February 08 2016 21:07 GMT
#23472
https://yasp.co/players/125848928
They have like none of those games tho
Sisyphus had a good gig going, the disappointment was predictable. | Visions of the Country (1978) is for when you're lost.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
February 09 2016 02:59 GMT
#23473
if you request them, they should parse
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
pyrocumulus
Profile Joined February 2015
United States65 Posts
February 09 2016 17:43 GMT
#23474
Question: Why doesn't Silence silence passives?
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
February 09 2016 17:44 GMT
#23475
On February 10 2016 02:43 pyrocumulus wrote:
Question: Why doesn't Silence silence passives?

Because you need to apply break for that, not silence.
http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Break
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Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2836 Posts
February 09 2016 18:30 GMT
#23476
In terms of design space you'd be really limited by how strong silence could be if it also silenced passives. Heroes like Wraith King, Abbadon and Viper would be really sad if some of these 5-6 second silences basically muted them as heroes for the duration.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
February 09 2016 18:47 GMT
#23477
I mean, the short "why" is that "thats how it was in WC3". The more advanced version is that variable-utility disables that function better or worse depending on the hero it's used on (silence basically deletes qop but does nothing to a bloodseeker) allow for more interesting design space as you can have a 6 second instant-cast silence as a strong counter to certain heroes without it being overwhelmingly too good overall.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 09 2016 19:23 GMT
#23478
It's not just WC3, but also just how people generally expect the "silence" state to work from other games.

Silence disabling passives would be unintuitive because what other game in which the silence debuff exists does it disable passives? The intuitive gaming understanding of "silence" is "prevents spellcasting", and there's no reason to change this unless there's a significant improvement to gameplay on a fundamental level.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
February 09 2016 19:48 GMT
#23479
even from an 'rpg' standpoint, silences literally mean that, when cast upon you, your character is unable to say anything in order to cast their spells..so they can't use them.

any 'natural' qualities of the character would still be available as a result since they are innate instead of uttered/conjured through specific words/phrases spoken out loud.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
pyrocumulus
Profile Joined February 2015
United States65 Posts
February 10 2016 14:31 GMT
#23480
Thank you for all the answers! And BluemoonSC, your metaphor really helps.
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