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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-20 16:07:15
July 20 2015 16:03 GMT
#22501
What happens is the attack goes to the primary target, then the angle of the attack is determined when the projectile hits. The game draws a straight line from TA, through the centre of the target, and out the back. Any units who's damage box intersects the narrow rectangle on that line behind the primary target for whatever distance take spill damage. It's a dead straight line, no aoe to speak of just 68 units wide. Most of the aoe comes from the size of the back units being splashed to.

Which can result in near-sideways spills if the targets are close together and only extremely precise ones if the targets are at distance or have small damage boxes (lane creeps).
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-20 16:06:43
July 20 2015 16:04 GMT
#22502
It is a long narrow rectangle, but the angle still matters to check whether the rectangle intersects a unit's circular collision box.

On July 21 2015 01:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
What happens is the attack goes to the primary target, then the angle of the attack is determined when the projectile hits. The game draws a straight line from TA, through the centre of the target, and out the back. Any units who's damage box intersects that line behind the primary target for whatever distance take spill damage. It's a dead straight line, no aoe to speak of. The only thing that grants it aoe is the size of the back units being splashed to.

It is an AoE. The rectangle has a width of 68 units (IIRC that's a bug that's never going to be fixed, because the width in DotA 1 is actually like 52 units--which is probably why when she first came out, TA players felt Psi Blades was getting wider spills than in DotA 1).
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 20 2015 16:05 GMT
#22503
wat i've been lied to
whatever same idea then
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 20 2015 18:37 GMT
#22504
On July 21 2015 00:48 Quochobao wrote:
Why doesn't TA's psi blade hit the third Sven when attack at an angle in this video?

I thought that psi blade simply splash to all units in a narrow and long rectangle (whose width = spill width) behind the primary target? How does the angle between TA and the primary target matter?

that would be dumb cuz what, if u attacked the back of a target the psi blade would bounce back at you??
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Quochobao
Profile Joined October 2010
United States350 Posts
July 20 2015 23:38 GMT
#22505
On July 21 2015 01:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
What happens is the attack goes to the primary target, then the angle of the attack is determined when the projectile hits. The game draws a straight line from TA, through the centre of the target, and out the back. Any units who's damage box intersects the narrow rectangle on that line behind the primary target for whatever distance take spill damage. It's a dead straight line, no aoe to speak of just 68 units wide. Most of the aoe comes from the size of the back units being splashed to.

Which can result in near-sideways spills if the targets are close together and only extremely precise ones if the targets are at distance or have small damage boxes (lane creeps).


I see. So when TA attacked at an angle, it's not surprising at all that the 3rd Sven is not hit because he's not in a straight line behind TA -> 1st Sven.

What's slightly surprising is that the 2nd Sven is still hit, and that's because even though he's not in a straight line TA -> 1st Sven -> 2nd Sven, 2nd Sven's model still collide with the 68-unit rectangle. Is this correct?
Best or nothing.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
July 20 2015 23:42 GMT
#22506
[image loading]
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
July 21 2015 01:06 GMT
#22507
Now all we need is a graph.

In all seriousness, this is very cool and will definitely improve my TA play!
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Quochobao
Profile Joined October 2010
United States350 Posts
July 21 2015 19:54 GMT
#22508
On July 21 2015 08:42 Dead9 wrote:
[image loading]


Worth a thousands words.
Best or nothing.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 21 2015 20:16 GMT
#22509
On July 21 2015 10:06 Fencar wrote:
Now all we need is a graph.

In all seriousness, this is very cool and will definitely improve my TA play!

hi apprentice graphlord reporting in
[image loading]
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Verniy
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada3360 Posts
July 21 2015 20:21 GMT
#22510
On July 22 2015 05:16 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 10:06 Fencar wrote:
Now all we need is a graph.

In all seriousness, this is very cool and will definitely improve my TA play!

hi apprentice graphlord reporting in
[image loading]

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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
July 21 2015 20:32 GMT
#22511
What a page this was
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
July 21 2015 21:55 GMT
#22512
On July 22 2015 05:16 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 10:06 Fencar wrote:
Now all we need is a graph.

In all seriousness, this is very cool and will definitely improve my TA play!

hi apprentice graphlord reporting in
[image loading]

Point 0 on this graph is the thing that TA targets with her autoattack, correct? And 710 is 710 range from that target?
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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
July 21 2015 22:45 GMT
#22513
It seems like you can't place high-ground out-of-map wards on Reborn (tinker buff basically).
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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
July 21 2015 22:51 GMT
#22514
On July 22 2015 07:45 Birdie wrote:
It seems like you can't place high-ground out-of-map wards on Reborn (tinker buff basically).

Well considering they put visible cliff tops all around the map (last I checked) I guess the alternative was Tinker being deleted from the game.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
July 21 2015 23:01 GMT
#22515
are you exaggerating on purpose or

cuz in the preborn dota map you can side ward most of the side lanes except for the radiant half of bot for some reason i think

or maybe all of bot lane idk
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Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
July 22 2015 00:59 GMT
#22516
So I want to suggest that ChaQ's mid guide be added to the OP here because it's such a solid and comprehensive guide to the fundamentals of mid lane, and since this is the only thread that really gets posted in aside from the hero threads, I think that a thread dedicated to midlaning would be buried eventually, so could this guide be added to the OP?

Chaq's new Ultimate Guide to Advanced Middle Laning Solo 04/04/2015
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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
July 22 2015 02:27 GMT
#22517
On July 22 2015 07:51 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2015 07:45 Birdie wrote:
It seems like you can't place high-ground out-of-map wards on Reborn (tinker buff basically).

Well considering they put visible cliff tops all around the map (last I checked) I guess the alternative was Tinker being deleted from the game.

There are cliff tops around the edge but you can't actually place wards there.
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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
July 22 2015 17:26 GMT
#22518
On July 22 2015 11:27 Birdie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2015 07:51 FHDH wrote:
On July 22 2015 07:45 Birdie wrote:
It seems like you can't place high-ground out-of-map wards on Reborn (tinker buff basically).

Well considering they put visible cliff tops all around the map (last I checked) I guess the alternative was Tinker being deleted from the game.

There are cliff tops around the edge but you can't actually place wards there.

Yeah that was my point.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 22 2015 20:02 GMT
#22519
On July 22 2015 06:55 Fencar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2015 05:16 ahswtini wrote:
On July 21 2015 10:06 Fencar wrote:
Now all we need is a graph.

In all seriousness, this is very cool and will definitely improve my TA play!

hi apprentice graphlord reporting in
[image loading]

Point 0 on this graph is the thing that TA targets with her autoattack, correct? And 710 is 710 range from that target?

ye man sry didnt want to make it too complicated for ppl
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
July 22 2015 22:59 GMT
#22520
Nah it's ok, I just wanted to know.

The graph is amazing.
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