EPTOn September 04 2013 13:28 GtC wrote:
Has anyone here seen the 2009 video on weaver?
It's amazing because he does the most aggressive things in lane and makes it work. I literally saw him go for a level 2 firstblood with shukuchi and swarm without even skilling geminate. The important things to remember in my opinion are that swarm is most powerful when towerdiving and in teamfights and that the ideal skill build by level 11 is 4-4-1-2. This is doubly important since the exp patch, since people tend to stay at level 11 longer, so not having the 4th point in swarm really hurts you midgame
I think you mentioned the towerdiving in your video (although I didn't watch a lot of it very carefully), because the bug takes forever for the poor hero to kill. Your biggest issue I think is that you went way ahead of the creep wave and got isolated a few times. If you had been just slightly more patient, I feel like you could have guaranteed a few more kills, or at least just not died.
Also, there is nothing wrong in my opinion with skilling things in various orders as long as you hit the ideal skillbuild eventually. However, skilling swarm over shukuchi generally means you are confident you can be really aggressive in lane. However, you were dealing with a veno support and an enchantress that was threatening to gank a few times, so i think you overdid the aggression, especially since you tried to towerdive without knowing where veno was. To that end, I think you might have focused a bit more on disrupting and killing veno rather than spectre, especially since the carry is much less likely to leave the lane and help then the support is to show up in the lane to help the carry. For that purpose, more levels faster in shukuchi helps more than faster levels in swarm. Once veno is poor and afraid of showing face in the lane, then its ok to start towerdiving the spectre. Also, you identified quite early the enchantress was not top notch, so you didn't have to worry about her very much, unless you started chasing veno around too much.
Also, note that spectre sucks until she accumulates quite a lot of gold, so you had quite a large window of time to beat down the supports before you were no longer capable of killing spectre 1v1. It's not like a void who can solo you at level 6. Spectre needs way too much farm for her to do that, and even then she needs some support because she has no hard lockdown.
Just my 15 cents. Apologies for the excessive text.
Has anyone here seen the 2009 video on weaver?
It's amazing because he does the most aggressive things in lane and makes it work. I literally saw him go for a level 2 firstblood with shukuchi and swarm without even skilling geminate. The important things to remember in my opinion are that swarm is most powerful when towerdiving and in teamfights and that the ideal skill build by level 11 is 4-4-1-2. This is doubly important since the exp patch, since people tend to stay at level 11 longer, so not having the 4th point in swarm really hurts you midgame
I think you mentioned the towerdiving in your video (although I didn't watch a lot of it very carefully), because the bug takes forever for the poor hero to kill. Your biggest issue I think is that you went way ahead of the creep wave and got isolated a few times. If you had been just slightly more patient, I feel like you could have guaranteed a few more kills, or at least just not died.
Also, there is nothing wrong in my opinion with skilling things in various orders as long as you hit the ideal skillbuild eventually. However, skilling swarm over shukuchi generally means you are confident you can be really aggressive in lane. However, you were dealing with a veno support and an enchantress that was threatening to gank a few times, so i think you overdid the aggression, especially since you tried to towerdive without knowing where veno was. To that end, I think you might have focused a bit more on disrupting and killing veno rather than spectre, especially since the carry is much less likely to leave the lane and help then the support is to show up in the lane to help the carry. For that purpose, more levels faster in shukuchi helps more than faster levels in swarm. Once veno is poor and afraid of showing face in the lane, then its ok to start towerdiving the spectre. Also, you identified quite early the enchantress was not top notch, so you didn't have to worry about her very much, unless you started chasing veno around too much.
Also, note that spectre sucks until she accumulates quite a lot of gold, so you had quite a large window of time to beat down the supports before you were no longer capable of killing spectre 1v1. It's not like a void who can solo you at level 6. Spectre needs way too much farm for her to do that, and even then she needs some support because she has no hard lockdown.
Just my 15 cents. Apologies for the excessive text.
My plays are highly inspired by YaphetS. I agreed with what you said. Finally some constructive criticism. That is not at all excessive, I really appreciate it. Thanks.
