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faldoto
78 Posts
This video briefly describes item choices , skill builds and using both time lapse and sukuchi effectively to counter kill. I also emphasized on how powerful weaver is at diving towers to kill enemy heroes. Watch the video /commentary/guide as I kill enemy heroes left and right with baller moves. Hopefully you could learn something out of this video by watching how I maneuver weaver. For more tutorials / commentaries / guides , please visit Channel Link : Youtube.com/NewWorldDotA | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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Cool Cat
United States1644 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9103 Posts
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Am0n3r
United States254 Posts
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Shikada
Serbia976 Posts
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
This is trash tier dota. Please don't make videos like this. | ||
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faldoto
78 Posts
On September 03 2013 10:15 Zoler wrote: Enchantress pulling a creep wave and fucking up spectre lvl 1? This is trash tier dota. Please don't make videos like this. Obviously the enchantress's idea was to harrass me down , but she did not take into account the creep wave that was coming and she accidentally pulled it. Everybody make mistakes , don't they? I'm not sure if that could justify what you just said , about this being shit tier dota. This is a very high level SEA game , where 5 man tryhard stacks go against 5 man tryhard stacks. | ||
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faldoto
78 Posts
On September 03 2013 07:30 Am0n3r wrote: too many likes and swearing =/ I apologize. I do have bad habits when I talk. | ||
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AlphaWhale
Australia328 Posts
On September 03 2013 10:49 faldoto wrote: This is a very high level SEA game , where 5 man tryhard stacks go against 5 man tryhard stacks. On September 03 2013 10:49 faldoto wrote: This is a very high level SEA game There's your problem. | ||
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faldoto
78 Posts
On September 03 2013 15:53 AlphaWhale wrote: There's your problem. What is? | ||
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CriticalHaze
Australia4 Posts
Good discussion on the skill build though, I usually blindly max sukuchi and geminate, though you've convinced me to give the swarm a try. | ||
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faldoto
78 Posts
On September 03 2013 21:02 CriticalHaze wrote: Love the hero, like the guide. I know time is a constraint, but I think you could have found a game where you don't feed because of lag or have long pauses. Good discussion on the skill build though, I usually blindly max sukuchi and geminate, though you've convinced me to give the swarm a try. Thanks for your feedback. In most games I actually spike a little here and there due to family streaming inappropriate videos containing a lot of action and exercise. So I do apologize for imperfect execution. | ||
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Darkren
Canada1841 Posts
Dont listen to them, everybody in dota likes to believe they are some sort of god at the game and never make mistakes Edit: the only thing i really dont like about your play is that you rarely have a tp with you | ||
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faldoto
78 Posts
On September 04 2013 01:48 Darkren wrote: Dont listen to them, everybody in dota likes to believe they are some sort of god at the game and never make mistakes Edit: the only thing i really dont like about your play is that you rarely have a tp with you If you noticed the pattern, I always have a tp ( unless I'm so poor which I don't have enough money to buy one which happened in the early game ) , otherwise I have Travels ( which I did in the mid game) Thanks for your feedback though. | ||
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5-s
United States1674 Posts
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faldoto
78 Posts
On September 04 2013 03:21 5-s wrote: I really don't like the swarm at level 3. Blowing your mana for that is basically the reason you died (also underestimating veno's ms and shukuchi'ing the wrong way.) Could I trouble you to watch that tiny part again? When I had the swarm at level 3 , I got a solo kill on spectre. So I don't see how its unjustifiable that I should not have gotten the swarm. All skill builds should always be situational. Without the swarm , there wouldn't be vision and also armor reduction for me to solo kill the spectre at lvl 3. Yes, my first blood was a mistake, it was an honest mistake on my part , overestimating the ability of the hero. Consider myself drunk. | ||
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5-s
United States1674 Posts
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faldoto
78 Posts
On September 04 2013 04:11 5-s wrote: You got the follow-up kill because the spectre stood around with less than half hp like an idiot. Also you only had the extra mana to cast everything because you'd given up first blood for no reason and came back to lane.. normally you only have enough mana for shukuchi early on. So you're saying after I'd given up first blood for no reason and I were to return to the lane , I should still skill lvl 2 sukuchi instead of lvl 1 swarm when I'm lvl 3? I don't think that would have given me the kill on him. Therefore , the point I'm trying to prove it , its always situational to save your skill point until you see the need to use it. Is that enough to justify getting swarm at lvl 3 at that point of time in that game? | ||
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GtC
United States546 Posts
It's amazing because he does the most aggressive things in lane and makes it work. I literally saw him go for a level 2 firstblood with shukuchi and swarm without even skilling geminate. The important things to remember in my opinion are that swarm is most powerful when towerdiving and in teamfights and that the ideal skill build by level 11 is 4-4-1-2. This is doubly important since the exp patch, since people tend to stay at level 11 longer, so not having the 4th point in swarm really hurts you midgame I think you mentioned the towerdiving in your video (although I didn't watch a lot of it very carefully), because the bug takes forever for the poor hero to kill. Your biggest issue I think is that you went way ahead of the creep wave and got isolated a few times. If you had been just slightly more patient, I feel like you could have guaranteed a few more kills, or at least just not died. Also, there is nothing wrong in my opinion with skilling things in various orders as long as you hit the ideal skillbuild eventually. However, skilling swarm over shukuchi generally means you are confident you can be really aggressive in lane. However, you were dealing with a veno support and an enchantress that was threatening to gank a few times, so i think you overdid the aggression, especially since you tried to towerdive without knowing where veno was. To that end, I think you might have focused a bit more on disrupting and killing veno rather than spectre, especially since the carry is much less likely to leave the lane and help then the support is to show up in the lane to help the carry. For that purpose, more levels faster in shukuchi helps more than faster levels in swarm. Once veno is poor and afraid of showing face in the lane, then its ok to start towerdiving the spectre. Also, you identified quite early the enchantress was not top notch, so you didn't have to worry about her very much, unless you started chasing veno around too much. Also, note that spectre sucks until she accumulates quite a lot of gold, so you had quite a large window of time to beat down the supports before you were no longer capable of killing spectre 1v1. It's not like a void who can solo you at level 6. Spectre needs way too much farm for her to do that, and even then she needs some support because she has no hard lockdown. Just my 15 cents. Apologies for the excessive text. | ||
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faldoto
78 Posts
On September 04 2013 13:28 GtC wrote: Has anyone here seen the 2009 video on weaver? It's amazing because he does the most aggressive things in lane and makes it work. I literally saw him go for a level 2 firstblood with shukuchi and swarm without even skilling geminate. The important things to remember in my opinion are that swarm is most powerful when towerdiving and in teamfights and that the ideal skill build by level 11 is 4-4-1-2. This is doubly important since the exp patch, since people tend to stay at level 11 longer, so not having the 4th point in swarm really hurts you midgame I think you mentioned the towerdiving in your video (although I didn't watch a lot of it very carefully), because the bug takes forever for the poor hero to kill. Your biggest issue I think is that you went way ahead of the creep wave and got isolated a few times. If you had been just slightly more patient, I feel like you could have guaranteed a few more kills, or at least just not died. Also, there is nothing wrong in my opinion with skilling things in various orders as long as you hit the ideal skillbuild eventually. However, skilling swarm over shukuchi generally means you are confident you can be really aggressive in lane. However, you were dealing with a veno support and an enchantress that was threatening to gank a few times, so i think you overdid the aggression, especially since you tried to towerdive without knowing where veno was. To that end, I think you might have focused a bit more on disrupting and killing veno rather than spectre, especially since the carry is much less likely to leave the lane and help then the support is to show up in the lane to help the carry. For that purpose, more levels faster in shukuchi helps more than faster levels in swarm. Once veno is poor and afraid of showing face in the lane, then its ok to start towerdiving the spectre. Also, you identified quite early the enchantress was not top notch, so you didn't have to worry about her very much, unless you started chasing veno around too much. Also, note that spectre sucks until she accumulates quite a lot of gold, so you had quite a large window of time to beat down the supports before you were no longer capable of killing spectre 1v1. It's not like a void who can solo you at level 6. Spectre needs way too much farm for her to do that, and even then she needs some support because she has no hard lockdown. Just my 15 cents. Apologies for the excessive text. My plays are highly inspired by YaphetS. I agreed with what you said. Finally some constructive criticism. That is not at all excessive, I really appreciate it. Thanks. | ||
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hooahah
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GtC
United States546 Posts
The reason why maxing geminate quickly isn't standard is because weaver is a highly aggressive carry, like lifestealer or luna. He can carry late, but he loves to force teamfights because he has so much midgame power. Many people don't realize just how much damage swarm does as long as you catch multiple people in it in a teamfight. When you give up swarm, you give up the majority of your midgame teamfight damage and also your ability to towerdive (which is a big deal on weaver - the bug soaking up towershots gives you several free seconds to pound the other guy). In the old days, when the metagame was slower and there was more time to farm, putting more points in geminate was fine, because you don''t need many points in swarm when there's nothing happening. Of course, swarm is such a fantastic tower diving tool that the first point is a must have. However, if all you're using it for is to towerdive, maxing it may not be entirely necessary. That being said, the additional minus armor and damage that swarm adds is still frequently worth is. In the end, though, you should probably just play whatever suits you best, because I'm really just a theorycrafter who spends a lot of time thinking out how things should work as opposed to putting those things into practice. (although my hero with the highest winrate is actually weaver - but that's because I play with friends in low skill level brackets where people suck at buying detection). So if you feel that shukuchi+geminate is the build for you, feel free to ignore me. Edit: Just found the VOD. It was in the old Learning Weaver? thread. http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDk5OTAxMDMy.html As a side note, the version he is playing on is outdated, so there are some minor differences (I believe in one game he builds a sheepstick...). Also, it is not subtitled, so you most likely won't have an idea what he's saying. You can still learn a lot from what he does though. Edit 2: Wow I'm dumb... It's a YaphetS video... | ||
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