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emperorchampion
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brinepumps
Indonesia753 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On August 11 2017 14:06 DucK- wrote: So are you guys ready to sacrifice liquid to the TI winner curse and watch them become rubbish next season? The things this team has gone through, the expectations failed , the massive failures and literally majors and many months going by before it seemed for them to finally to make sense to even be together means I'm not worried at all. Besides . . . We are Liquid members, actual fans, we almost dont give a fuck who's on our team, or if we're even doing well but we'll always support the team, as we know painfully well not just to feel to be the eternal outsider, but how it feels not to have any team at all despite the might of the organisation | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
Feels good man! WOOO HOOOO! Top 4 secured! Best western team secured.My prediction from earlier came true - 2:1 Liquid, game won out of some plays in this case i think MC carried us through that game 3. Liquid usually match good against chinese teams, and im pretty sure they have a strat or two for this situation. The hardest of those seem to be Newbee, but we kind of owned them the last 3 times we played vs them. Vs LFY i also see a good time, as we can pick the prophet for ourselves, and we have a draft advantage because they have to ban KoTL. Pretty much only IG got our number from time to time in the last couple of months, but it is not even sure if we will be playing them. | ||
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Damned627
Indonesia264 Posts
On August 11 2017 15:23 NInoff wrote: Accidently crashed between games 2 and 3, but it was almost 5 AM, and im workig every day of this week... Feels good man! WOOO HOOOO! Top 4 secured! Best western team secured.My prediction from earlier came true - 2:1 Liquid, game won out of some plays in this case i think MC carried us through that game 3. Liquid usually match good against chinese teams, and im pretty sure they have a strat or two for this situation. The hardest of those seem to be Newbee, but we kind of owned them the last 3 times we played vs them. Vs LFY i also see a good time, as we can pick the prophet for ourselves, and we have a draft advantage because they have to ban KoTL. Pretty much only IG got our number from time to time in the last couple of months, but it is not even sure if we will be playing them. If you think LFY will be easier than iG, look at their games, better teamfight coordination than any team at the mainstage, also ES is pretty much a respect ban for Ah Fu, so no draft advantage I would say. Super can also play any mid given to him, whether its flashy or not, unlike Miracle who seems to struggle with non-flashy heroes. All in all, I think LFY and Liquid are on par with each other, but I give LFY the versatility edge. | ||
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Invictus
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VvvV1251
Algeria142 Posts
Looks like the TI pattern will be broken this year. | ||
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
didn't have the time to watch it, but I threw on one of my liquid shirts to go to bed in  | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
On August 11 2017 15:37 Damned627 wrote: If you think LFY will be easier than iG, look at their games, better teamfight coordination than any team at the mainstage, also ES is pretty much a respect ban for Ah Fu, so no draft advantage I would say. Super can also play any mid given to him, whether its flashy or not, unlike Miracle who seems to struggle with non-flashy heroes. All in all, I think LFY and Liquid are on par with each other, but I give LFY the versatility edge. Same things goes around -LFY pretty much have a 5 man strat. So that can be pretty hard dismantled with certain lineups, don't underestimate Kuro and the boys, CDEC got similar thing going for them 2 years ago, and by the end of the tourney peopel figured them out. I mean as Bulba identified yesterday liquid have 4 or 5 main strats that they are using, and probably at least one more pocket one. While with LFY they pretty much do the same thing every game - go aggressive play fast run around as unit and pickup the farming cores. This works so nice because when runing round as 5 on minute 12 the enemy team is splitted around the map to farm, and even if they try to save and defend the player that is jumped, they do that with 1-2 more heroes tops, and that is pretty much 3/4vs5 when you get jumped leads to feeding two or three more kills. Then its time well spent for LFY. Im sure its much more complex than that, but hey when i figured it out by just watching, im pretty sure pros will do it better. My money are on Newbee to win in the winners finals. | ||
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
On August 11 2017 15:01 brinepumps wrote: I must admit, I always thought mind control was the weakest player on Liquid, but those VP games, man, he's really good! He's honestly been one of/the best on the team ever since Kiev. IG is a good team but I think Liquid was more thrown off by the fact iG decided to ban out Gh. The lower bracket has been good for them, it forced them to accept that gh is gonna have to play heroes besides kotl/wisp/earthshaker. I still think his pool is Liquid's biggest weakness, but Liquid have had three series to learn to deal with it. I truly think they have what it takes. They've shown they can deal with Newbee in previous events, and they've got at least one more series to observe LFY and figure out if ah fu is human | ||
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lxginverse
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YourGoodFriend
United States2197 Posts
On August 11 2017 15:37 Damned627 wrote: If you think LFY will be easier than iG, look at their games, better teamfight coordination than any team at the mainstage, also ES is pretty much a respect ban for Ah Fu, so no draft advantage I would say. Super can also play any mid given to him, whether its flashy or not, unlike Miracle who seems to struggle with non-flashy heroes. All in all, I think LFY and Liquid are on par with each other, but I give LFY the versatility edge. LFY said in one of their interviews that the only team they are afraid of is liquid because when they played them in scrims liquid always beat them and caused them to tilt. Liquid has the mental advantage against LFY | ||
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kun3
101 Posts
On August 11 2017 15:37 Damned627 wrote: If you think LFY will be easier than iG, look at their games, better teamfight coordination than any team at the mainstage, also ES is pretty much a respect ban for Ah Fu, so no draft advantage I would say. Super can also play any mid given to him, whether its flashy or not, unlike Miracle who seems to struggle with non-flashy heroes. All in all, I think LFY and Liquid are on par with each other, but I give LFY the versatility edge. Miracle 18 different heroes. Super 10 different heroes. Also Miracle with most wins with different heroes in TI. Also LFY has the smallest hero pool of remaining teams in TI. So basically everything is opposite to what you are saying. | ||
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Damned627
Indonesia264 Posts
On August 11 2017 18:46 NInoff wrote: Same things goes around -LFY pretty much have a 5 man strat. So that can be pretty hard dismantled with certain lineups, don't underestimate Kuro and the boys, CDEC got similar thing going for them 2 years ago, and by the end of the tourney peopel figured them out. I mean as Bulba identified yesterday liquid have 4 or 5 main strats that they are using, and probably at least one more pocket one. While with LFY they pretty much do the same thing every game - go aggressive play fast run around as unit and pickup the farming cores. This works so nice because when runing round as 5 on minute 12 the enemy team is splitted around the map to farm, and even if they try to save and defend the player that is jumped, they do that with 1-2 more heroes tops, and that is pretty much 3/4vs5 when you get jumped leads to feeding two or three more kills. Then its time well spent for LFY. Im sure its much more complex than that, but hey when i figured it out by just watching, im pretty sure pros will do it better. My money are on Newbee to win in the winners finals. Whoever wins this TI, they deserved it, because the teams they need to go through are the best, I didn't feel this kind of competition last TI, LFY are like wings 2.0, Liquid are like TI5 EG, Newbee is back in black, iG better than ever, and LGD has that potential to beat them all. 2 days to Grand Finals. | ||
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Damned627
Indonesia264 Posts
On August 11 2017 20:28 kun3 wrote: Miracle 18 different heroes. Super 10 different heroes. Also Miracle with most wins with different heroes in TI. Also LFY has the smallest hero pool of remaining teams in TI. So basically everything is opposite to what you are saying. But not every one of them worked with Miracle, right? The only one I can remember did not worked with Super is omni mid. I'm not taking anything from Miracle, but he SEEMS to struggle with non-flashy heroes. I should've made it clear the first time, but what I meant to say was LFY has more versatility on the core side, both sides supports stick with their comfort ones, which is necessary iMO. So, not everything I said is wrong, especially the teamfight point | ||
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kun3
101 Posts
On August 11 2017 20:49 Damned627 wrote: But not every one of them worked with Miracle, right? The only one I can remember did not worked with Super is omni mid. I'm not taking anything from Miracle, but he SEEMS to struggle with non-flashy heroes. I should've made it clear the first time, but what I meant to say was LFY has more versatility on the core side, both sides supports stick with their comfort ones, which is necessary iMO. So, not everything I said is wrong, especially the teamfight point Actually Liquid is not that versatile in SUPPORT picks. They wants to put GH on a hero where he can have impact from minute 0 to the end of the game and there aren't many of those. Like Bulba mentioned they have 4 starting starts that all include GH. They have the most versatile CORE picks mainly because Miracle can play any hero there is. Liquid has picked most different cores in TI. Liquid just keeps picking different hero for Miracle in every game. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
when you have a dude that blocks 3 bans automatically you give way more freedom to your cores GH is like Bulldog TI3 really | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
Also mind control is insane right now, and he can carry games by himself Liquid also has bristle, veno, lycan, anti mage, invoker and earthshaker as really scary heroes that if liquid has any space they'll make those heroes shine. Still waiting for gh pudge, the way he plays offensively early and deffensively later is really smart. | ||
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kun3
101 Posts
On August 11 2017 21:27 LemOn wrote: Well when you have a dude that blocks 3 bans automatically you give way more freedom to your cores GH is like Bulldog TI3 really Don't really think that matters too much. Miracle's hero in usually picked 5th and in some rare cases 4th. It's true that 1st phase bans are always targeted against but GH but teams always ban supports in 1st phase. Even if you are playing against team that doesn't have respect bans you still ban the supports you don't want them to play. | ||
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Damned627
Indonesia264 Posts
Hoping for Liquid to go to GF because the showdown between LFY and Liquid is too good to miss. Or LFY LB Final could work, but less hype there. | ||
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