No way you can outban Liquid right Now. If they have a nice bootcamp before ti, they have a good shot at the title. Although being the favorite is Never a good Thing. Except when you are og at a Major, then it doesnt matter;)

juuto

809 Posts

June 11 2017 19:48 GMT

#4129

Is it even possible to figure out Liquid? The team is playing in such a chaotic fashion relying on outplays to pull off all sorts of crazy shit and the heroes you have to ban against them only grows larger and larger. Not saying it's impossible to beat Liquid at all but I don't think figuring them out is the way to beat them at this point.

tree.hugger

Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts

June 11 2017 19:52 GMT

#4130

On June 12 2017 04:48 juuto wrote:
Is it even possible to figure out Liquid? The team is playing in such a chaotic fashion relying on outplays to pull off all sorts of crazy shit and the heroes you have to ban against them only grows larger and larger. Not saying it's impossible to beat Liquid at all but I don't think figuring them out is the way to beat them at this point.

You could've fairly described EG the same way, and Liquid fairly thoroughly outdrafted and outplayed them today. The top teams are very close. I think Liquid was underestimated by all, including themselves, at the start of the tournament. They won't fly under the radar again.

brinepumps

Indonesia753 Posts

June 11 2017 21:18 GMT

#4131

Congrats guys! The defending champion. I have to give credit to Kuro, his strategy to shutdown sumaiL and win lanes were impressive. Never seen sumaiL got shutdown that hard.
Well deserved.

Pontual

Brazil3038 Posts

June 12 2017 01:05 GMT

#4132

Liquid won this title both on outplays and outdrafts, don't think even for a second that teams won't catch up on shaker, tusk, kotl and sven strats. They will figure liquid out, the only ones that weren't figured out to this date is wings. Unfortunately their level of play went down, possibly because of the money and it's issues.

vndestiny

Singapore3449 Posts

June 12 2017 01:09 GMT

#4133

Have fun drafting against this team.

Xafnia

Canada874 Posts

June 12 2017 01:54 GMT

#4134

I was sad when Liquid beat VP. I don't feel so bad now

Also, GH. What a beast.

SFDuality

United States1318 Posts

June 12 2017 01:57 GMT

#4135

On June 12 2017 10:09 vndestiny wrote:
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Have fun drafting against this team.

Add to that Miracle Invoker, Matu Lone Druid/Lycan and Kuro Tusk, and it gets even scarier. When every single player on your team has a signature hero or two within the meta that the opponent has to be wary of, it opens up so many options.

That said, the meta shifts, and there's doubtless going to be one more big patch before TI. Hopefully our boys can keep pace, because if they do, they're one of the favorites to win the whole thing.

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

June 12 2017 02:51 GMT

#4136

Never liked the idea of banning signature heroes. Every player has a hero pool that they are great in, but I don't think them having those heroes make them unbeatable. It's the overall strategy you should be concerned about.

You don't ban LD/NP against alliance then cuz bulldog plays the heroes well. You do so cuz alliance runs the dual core strategy so well, that you wanna deny them it. Other times you ban cuz the hero is OP like disco pony or pewpewpew LD or bull$hit alch.

bLzPostman

New Zealand82 Posts

June 12 2017 03:58 GMT

#4137

For my own curiosity I figured the total kills across the four matches. 48-96 in favour of Liquid of course. Pretty insane that they actually end up with double EG's kills.

derElbe

Germany571 Posts

June 12 2017 04:47 GMT

#4138

On June 06 2017 08:11 SFDuality wrote:
Man, what an utterly disappointing day of games for Liquid. Not only did they lose the draft in every single game except the first, but they played so pathetically poorly that there was never any hope of overcoming the draft disadvantage. Attempting ganks that had no hope of success, taking teamfights they had no hope of winning, getting consecutively picked off under the same ward, stacking the few stuns they have when they really can't afford to, and above all the chain feed whenever there was the slightest glimmer of hope that they could turn the game around. I wouldn't have minded if they had lost after putting up a fight against an opponent that just played too well, but that wasn't the case. They beat themselves.

Hopefully tomorrow goes better. This tournament is too important to choke in. By playing as poorly as they are they're dismissing the argument for a direct TI invite that they made in Starladder.

I hope that in the future we can trust in the boys

SFDuality

United States1318 Posts

June 12 2017 10:38 GMT

#4139

On June 12 2017 13:47 derElbe wrote:

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I hope that in the future we can trust in the boys

They played like shit on day 1. No getting around that. They pulled it together from day 2 on, and boy am I glad they did, but that doesn't mean I can't be disappointed with how they played on day 1.

YourGoodFriend

United States2197 Posts

June 12 2017 13:12 GMT

#4140

On June 12 2017 19:38 SFDuality wrote:

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They played like shit on day 1. No getting around that. They pulled it together from day 2 on, and boy am I glad they did, but that doesn't mean I can't be disappointed with how they played on day 1.

Agreed I am a biased Liquid loving, blind fanboy. But Day 1 Liquid was playing the sloppiest Dota they have played in a while and they looked terrible. I don't think it is not having faith in fact it shows how great Liquid is to call this into light because they played so bad Day 1 and then turned it around and ran through the tournament which was so fantastic to watch.