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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On May 22 2016 20:32 LemOn wrote: Well they also had to win the league for this (for12k), so yeah even if VP somehow beats them it's great success Navi just ran over VP in Game 1 like a pick-up truck on a chicken ... | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On May 22 2016 20:37 nayumi wrote: Navi just ran over VP in Game 1 like a pick-up truck on a chicken ... Now let's hope they do it for game 3. | ||
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lxginverse
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zolasell
Greece288 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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Racket
3023 Posts
Hope they keep improving. I find it commending that they can make "old" strats work on the new patch. In the neat future I would like to see Sonneiko's balanced bird. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
 like i said, OG is a tall order and top3 team, cant expect navi to beat them right awayAt least they keep training and getting better, they seem to find a working team and they are doing it all Cant believe we are actually playing finals on a regular basis now | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
And the boys in the booth live once more A+! | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On May 23 2016 06:20 LemOn wrote: Yeah it was so amazing seeing Dendi's mid ownage in late stages of a large tourney again And the boys in the booth live once more A+! Actually Dendi has always been a great mid and dominated most games during the laning stage. Though his issue was that he got lost mid-late game not knowing what to do with his laning advantage, which could be partly contributed by past captains/shot callers. As long as Navi manages to get a decent teamwork and people knowing what to do in certain situations, you will see Dendi shine like that fuckwit who left his high beam on front of me this morning as I drove to work -_- (FUCK YOU WHITE COROLLA!) Anyway, the result is not a surprise as OG is definitely on another level at the moment. Looking forwards to see the boys do well in June, 2 more weeks guys | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
the space maker one and the team fight oriented mid died long ago and dendi never really adapted, but now he did and he has been doing great in it. he adapted and thats great because he has the skills to be a top player | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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Racket
3023 Posts
It is clear that NaVi needs to take an outrageous advantage early on or they suffer a lot later, we have already seen it. But more important is how OG stepped up a lot from last patch to this one just by imitating the chinese. Will we see NaVi stay stubborn and keep playing like they do even if everyone figured them out already or may we see some changes? What do you think guys? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
In that sense... they played OG. No one expected them to stand a chance and there aren't a lot of teams around that you would expect to have a chance vs them right now. So as long as Navi is fine in that ~top5-top10 teams range they're okay? Let's see what it's like vs a team more in their league and small steps forward before throwing everything over board when you just found something that's at least somewhat working. Of course that's not really a competitors point of view but I'd like that. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On May 23 2016 08:54 the bear jew wrote: To paraphase and adapt a saying from Fiddler on the Roof, "there is no great shame in losing, but their is no great honor either." Hopefully they learn from this and come out strong at Manilla. Can't be the best till you play the best, they are playing some of the best, so now they need to learn, adapt, improve and hopefully we get an awesome showing at the Major. I feel that what Navi needs to show now is the ability to consistently beat similar tier teams like VP/Vega/Empire etc, while showing promise to beat higher tier teams like OG/Liquid. Step by step. Soon they need to convert good performances against top teams into wins. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
I didnt see them destroyed after the 3-0, they looked dissapointed, yes, but also happy that they achieved what they were supposed to (finals) Liquid had this way too, they didnt start exactly like the greatest team and they didnt seem like a team you would call top2 or even the best team but little by little and working they gained that title, and they stuck together as a team... something bar the lastest iteriation, navi never did, but like we saw they seem to finally found a line up they are comfortable with. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On May 24 2016 01:15 Racket wrote: In the winner's interview Moon said something interesting, they were able to 3-0 them because NaVi plays always the same dota and if they don't win in the first 15 minutes they are probably not gonna win, but OG changed their playstyle to the chinese way and they are doing lane control now. It is clear that NaVi needs to take an outrageous advantage early on or they suffer a lot later, we have already seen it. But more important is how OG stepped up a lot from last patch to this one just by imitating the chinese. Will we see NaVi stay stubborn and keep playing like they do even if everyone figured them out already or may we see some changes? What do you think guys? I'm always a believer in being the best in what you're good at rather than try to change yourself into something else. Now that doesn't necessarily mean that it'll work in the end but in Navi's cases, I think it'll be the better alternative. I don't believe the existing team members have what it takes to play a much more diverse type of dota (hope they prove me wrong on this though). As much as Dendi is improving on his carry mid heroes, his true talent still lies within playmaking mid like Puck. General is also more of a playmaking offlane than someone who takes advantage of the map and farms elsewhere (i.e Bulldog's style). I think they will need to get better/more aggressive at the early to early-mid phases, use their bans wisely to prevent opponents from getting a perfect late game line-up. There is a reason why people call the 4p1 the Chinese style or the #yolodoto CISdoto best doto because each region is good at different things. I sincerely hope Icefrog will buff hero kills rewards much more so that we can have more series like Navi vs VP. I mean 20 kills in 10 minutes? Isn't that what Dota is about? | ||
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Racket
3023 Posts
I believe two things must be done: - Sonneiko must learn Phoenix - ArtStyle must step up on non Chen/Ench heroes With only those two things they will achieve even better results in my opinion. I was going to say three and put Dendi must practice Timbersaw for instance but I think he knows what must be done, hopefully... as his last game with it was two years ago, I don't know about his alt accounts tho. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On May 24 2016 07:05 nayumi wrote: I'm always a believer in being the best in what you're good at rather than try to change yourself into something else. Now that doesn't necessarily mean that it'll work in the end but in Navi's cases, I think it'll be the better alternative. I don't believe the existing team members have what it takes to play a much more diverse type of dota (hope they prove me wrong on this though). As much as Dendi is improving on his carry mid heroes, his true talent still lies within playmaking mid like Puck. General is also more of a playmaking offlane than someone who takes advantage of the map and farms elsewhere (i.e Bulldog's style). I think they will need to get better/more aggressive at the early to early-mid phases, use their bans wisely to prevent opponents from getting a perfect late game line-up. There is a reason why people call the 4p1 the Chinese style or the #yolodoto CISdoto best doto because each region is good at different things. I sincerely hope Icefrog will buff hero kills rewards much more so that we can have more series like Navi vs VP. I mean 20 kills in 10 minutes? Isn't that what Dota is about? But then all these aggression and kills mean nothing when one bad gank loses you the bulk of your hardwork due to comeback mechanics. Case in point: navi vs og where navi stomped the early game, but one bad dive in t2 mid resulted in spectre recovering fully. A hero that got shut down in laning phase shouldn't be able to recover so easily with one good fight. Makes no sense. Anyway on navi hero pool, I do agree that they should play phoenix more. Thing though is that the hero isn't the greatest without levels, and that's something navi supports do not like. | ||
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